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karms
Jan 22, 2006

by Nyc_Tattoo
Yam Slacker

Razzled posted:

Ah okay, I thought that but for a little bit if I pushed it to half choke after starting it would just die. It took some fiddling to get it to idle at half.


@AncientTV
Did it just suddenly die when you downshifted, or did it chug and stall because you were going too slow?


Now that I think about it, it definitely chugged and stalled because I was going too slow.

Sounds like I just didn't do the warm up right. I'll re-read the owners manual tonight.

Protip: You can ride the bike with the choke on.

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Here4DaGangBang
Dec 3, 2004

I beat my dick like it owes me money!
Re: triggering lights, another method I've seen suggested is thumbing the starter, so that the magnetic field generated tricks the coil into triggering. I tried this a couple of times on my VTR250 just for shits and giggles, can't say for sure whether it worked or the lights changed soon after due to coincidence. I've never really had much trouble in Sydney, they all seem to trigger fine.

On the Street Triple R, I discovered when trying this that being all electronic, it doesn't activate the starter. It starts the lap timer. :P

ArcticZombie
Sep 15, 2010

KozmoNaut posted:

It sounds a lot like this issue (a known issue with the 660cc engine), get it fixed as soon as possible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyk4PWGVQgw

If you catch it in time, you won't have to replace woodruff keys, gears etc., only tighten the nut up with some loctite applied and the lock washer.

Seems easy enough, I'll have a crack at it this weekend. From a bit of searching I saw that people had ridden with it like this for some time before it caused any significant damage so it should last until this weekend (I hope). Seeing as I just changed the oil a couple days ago, I should just be able to reuse the oil, right?

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I wouldn't ride it, just for good measure.

Reusing the oil is fine.

captainOrbital
Jan 23, 2003

Wrathchild!
💢🧒
KTM has been using the phrase "The Number of the Beast" for their 1290 Duke campaign.

Here's to page 666 (assuming you have the same number of replies-per-page as I do) and to a 5-cylinder 2-stroke 666cc Kawasaki.

AncientTV
Jun 1, 2006

for sale custom bike over a billion invested

College Slice
Xpost from the SV thread since it doesn't get much traffic:

AncientTV posted:

So when I was taking apart my forks, one of tiny springs that goes in the oil lock turned out to be smooshed. I tried to order a replacement, but stupidly just ordered a damper rod spring. I'm seeing some people online say that the springs aren't necessary. Is that true, and therefore can I leave them out, or, if they are necessary, can I just get a similarly sized one at a hardware store?

I've since gone to the hardware stores and was unable to find a spring even marginally close. I got one that's the right gauge and diameter, but I'm not sure how to go about making the dead coils at either end.

ReelBigLizard
Feb 27, 2003

Fallen Rib

captainOrbital posted:

KTM has been using the phrase "The Number of the Beast" for their 1290 Duke campaign.

Here's to page 666 (assuming you have the same number of replies-per-page as I do) and to a 5-cylinder 2-stroke 666cc Kawasaki.

5-cyl inline 2 strokes sound... angry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hn9LidVa6g

Catatron Prime
Aug 23, 2010

IT ME



Toilet Rascal

Dead Pressed posted:

Clymer or haynes manual for a gen 2 KLR?

I'm just using this

Which unfortunately is useless for helping me figure out how to remove this:



Does anyone have any ideas? I've been poking prodding pulling and squeezing it to no avail, and I'd rather not break the clips with my ham fisted idiocy :(

Edit: Nevermind, figured it out seconds after posting (of course). Just shove a screwdriver in between the slotted clips.

vv Thanks for the replies!

Catatron Prime fucked around with this message at 02:57 on May 21, 2014

clutchpuck
Apr 30, 2004
ro-tard
I think you have to gently pop the retaining clip up with a flathead screwdriver or similar.

Shimrod
Apr 15, 2007

race tires on road are a great idea, ask me!

Find the right size spanner, take it off. Coolant will leak out. They just unscrew. The electrical cords should slip off without too much hassle.

e: yeah, I didn't realise you meant the power cords were the problem.

Kilersquirrel
Oct 16, 2004
My little sister is awesome and bought me this account.

captainOrbital posted:

KTM has been using the phrase "The Number of the Beast" for their 1290 Duke campaign.

Here's to page 666 (assuming you have the same number of replies-per-page as I do) and to a 5-cylinder 2-stroke 666cc Kawasaki.



Sounds perfect for one of the Beast's rides :megadeath:

its all nice on rice
Nov 12, 2006

Sweet, Salty Goodness.



Buglord
I finally have my bike back together and she's running good. One problem, though- The rear brake isn't working properly.
I've got a new rotor on the rear. It's an EBC Vee (was the least expensive :effort: ) There's pressure in the line, and the piston is clamping, but it's not stopping the wheel. I push the brake pedal, but there's no resistance; it just pushes straight down.
I checked the piston, and while it's pushing in & out, it's definitely sticking. The wheel barely rotates a half turn before stopping, and you can see on the rotor where the pads are rubbing.
I'm thinking I should drain the line, take the caliper off, clean it out and see if that does anything? I've still got life on the pads, but have a new set I'm going to throw on. Thoughts/suggestions? Everything was working fine before I fan into my self-inflicted wheel issues.

n8r
Jul 3, 2003

I helped Lowtax become a cyborg and all I got was this lousy avatar
Bleed it again.

its all nice on rice
Nov 12, 2006

Sweet, Salty Goodness.



Buglord
It would be the most simple solution, wouldn't it? I'll give it a shot tonight when I'm home from work.

n8r
Jul 3, 2003

I helped Lowtax become a cyborg and all I got was this lousy avatar
I find brake lines need to be bled, then let to sit for a period of time, then re-bled to finally get working.

karms
Jan 22, 2006

by Nyc_Tattoo
Yam Slacker
It might also be useful to put some pressure on the pedal overnight.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

KARMA! posted:

It might also be useful to put some pressure on the pedal overnight.

I've heard this bit of wisdom before, does it actually work?

Kilersquirrel
Oct 16, 2004
My little sister is awesome and bought me this account.
Yeah, what it does is allow all the little microbubbles that can form a way to float up past the piston in the MC. They'd normally get stuck there and then slowly get washed downstream when you bleed, or just get compressed hard enough to dissolve back into the fluid if you pumped it up hard enough. Leaving a little pressure on the brakes overnight lets both the bubbles migrate up and out to the top of the MC and the dissolved gasses a chance to come back out of solution and then migrate up as well.

e: If you used a tool to pressure-bleed the brakes then you wouldn't necessarily need to do this, but if you're not a mechanic with fancy tools you're going to be doing the squeeze-bleed-squeeze method along with the rest of us. That's where the "slight pressure overnight" comes in handy.

Kilersquirrel fucked around with this message at 21:06 on May 21, 2014

Frosty-
Jan 17, 2004

In war, you kill people in order to change their minds. Remember that; it's fuckin' important.
Here are stupid questions:

I bought a new CBR600RR a couple weeks ago, and today I did a careless thing that left the bike lying on its side in my driveway. I picked it back up and everything looks OK except some paint loss on the fairing, a scuffed bar end, and a mark on the mirror. Since I feel confident I won't do that again, I'm going to chalk it up to a lesson learned and just replace the marred fairing. Where can I get a new OEM fairing piece without having to spend a fortune? And do they come with the graphics in place and all that, or is that not how this works? I took a look around some CBR forums to see what they knew, but I just don't trust those clowns out there on the Internet at large.

When I'm being smart enough to keep the rubber side down this thing is a hoot. The first time I got back on my Ninjette to go to work I thought something had malfunctioned because twisting the throttle didn't seem to have any effect. I predict this new Honda is going to be huge entertainment for years to come.

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Frosty- posted:

I predict this new Honda is going to be huge entertainment for years to come about 3 months until I want a literbike.

ftfy :)

Shimrod
Apr 15, 2007

race tires on road are a great idea, ask me!

Give it a few months before you replace the fairing, you'll probably drop it again stupidly. Took me 2 years to drop any of my bikes, didn't drop my 1st ... dropped my 2nd twice within' a month both at pretty much a stop (backing up/about to do a turn, but barely moving). I can't imagine the fairing is that badly marked from a driveway drop. I didn't put a mark on my bike either time I dropped it.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

So my bike has an interesting quirk with neutral.

- When the engine is off, it goes into neutral perfectly.
- If I've been riding around normally and going through all the gears, then come to a stop and let the bike idle, it also goes into neutral just fine, about 95% of the time.
- If I've been moving in stop and go traffic, only going between first and second and using the clutch a lot, the next time I come to a stop and let the bike idle, there's at least a 50% chance that the transmission won't go into neutral. The shifter will feel stuck and it will take a lot of extra force to get it to move, and it will pop over into second.
- HOWEVER: if I give the bike even the tiniest bit of gas, like revving it from the 1200 idle to about 1500, I can slip it into neutral with the tip of my toe. Works perfectly. So I also have no problem shifting up as I leave the stop because the engine is running above idle.
- The transmission also goes into neutral without issue when the bike is rolling, regardless of engine speed.

This isn't something I find problematic -- as noted, I can get into neutral at any time with a blip of the throttle, and according to the Hawk forums it's just the way Hawk transmissions function and the solution is what I'm already doing.

But my question is: why does this happen? What's the underlying mechanical reason that the transmission is stubborn about finding neutral at idle? And most strangely, why would it be different when I've been riding normally and using all the gears vs. just been riding around slowly in first and second?

e: my CL350 was the opposite way -- you'd have to let the engine drop to idle in order to get it into neutral, and if it wouldn't go the solution was to roll it back and forth a few inches.

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 06:38 on May 22, 2014

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Sagebrush posted:

So my bike has an interesting quirk with neutral.

- When the engine is off, it goes into neutral perfectly.
- If I've been riding around normally and going through all the gears, then come to a stop and let the bike idle, it also goes into neutral just fine, about 95% of the time.
- If I've been moving in stop and go traffic, only going between first and second and using the clutch a lot, the next time I come to a stop and let the bike idle, there's at least a 50% chance that the transmission won't go into neutral. The shifter will feel stuck and it will take a lot of extra force to get it to move, and it will pop over into second.
- HOWEVER: if I give the bike even the tiniest bit of gas, like revving it from the 1200 idle to about 1500, I can slip it into neutral with the tip of my toe. Works perfectly. So I also have no problem shifting up as I leave the stop because the engine is running above idle.
- The transmission also goes into neutral without issue when the bike is rolling, regardless of engine speed.

This isn't something I find problematic -- as noted, I can get into neutral at any time with a blip of the throttle, and according to the Hawk forums it's just the way Hawk transmissions function and the solution is what I'm already doing.

But my question is: why does this happen? What's the underlying mechanical reason that the transmission is stubborn about finding neutral at idle? And most strangely, why would it be different when I've been riding normally and using all the gears vs. just been riding around slowly in first and second?

e: my CL350 was the opposite way -- you'd have to let the engine drop to idle in order to get it into neutral, and if it wouldn't go the solution was to roll it back and forth a few inches.

I'm not sure what causes it but every Italian bike I've ever ridden has been exactly like that too, with the addition that the easiest way to get into neutral at a standstill is to drag the clutch a little bit. Someone did once explain it to me but I forgot why, I *think* it has something to do with the clutch plates sticking slightly, and that pulling the clutch in when there's a big difference between road speed and engine speed breaks that stiction and gets you into neutral more easily.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
My Yamaha does the same thing. Most of the time, it slips into neutral perfect, but too much stop and go in 1st-2nd and it will occasionally get picky and not want to move up into N from first unless I roll it with my feet or slip the clutch a hair.

Outside Dawg
Feb 24, 2013
My old Yamaha did that, the Sportster did it and so does the Ultra. The cure was the same for all of them that the others describe.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Sagebrush posted:

So my bike has an interesting quirk with neutral.

- When the engine is off, it goes into neutral perfectly.
- If I've been riding around normally and going through all the gears, then come to a stop and let the bike idle, it also goes into neutral just fine, about 95% of the time.
- If I've been moving in stop and go traffic, only going between first and second and using the clutch a lot, the next time I come to a stop and let the bike idle, there's at least a 50% chance that the transmission won't go into neutral. The shifter will feel stuck and it will take a lot of extra force to get it to move, and it will pop over into second.
- HOWEVER: if I give the bike even the tiniest bit of gas, like revving it from the 1200 idle to about 1500, I can slip it into neutral with the tip of my toe. Works perfectly. So I also have no problem shifting up as I leave the stop because the engine is running above idle.
- The transmission also goes into neutral without issue when the bike is rolling, regardless of engine speed.

This isn't something I find problematic -- as noted, I can get into neutral at any time with a blip of the throttle, and according to the Hawk forums it's just the way Hawk transmissions function and the solution is what I'm already doing.

But my question is: why does this happen? What's the underlying mechanical reason that the transmission is stubborn about finding neutral at idle? And most strangely, why would it be different when I've been riding normally and using all the gears vs. just been riding around slowly in first and second?

e: my CL350 was the opposite way -- you'd have to let the engine drop to idle in order to get it into neutral, and if it wouldn't go the solution was to roll it back and forth a few inches.

My old NC30 was exactly like this. If you gave it enough of a beating it would stop going into neutral at all unless you quickly blipped the engine to around 4,000rpm.

I'd love to know why it happens.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Kilersquirrel posted:

Yeah, what it does is allow all the little microbubbles that can form a way to float up past the piston in the MC. They'd normally get stuck there and then slowly get washed downstream when you bleed, or just get compressed hard enough to dissolve back into the fluid if you pumped it up hard enough. Leaving a little pressure on the brakes overnight lets both the bubbles migrate up and out to the top of the MC and the dissolved gasses a chance to come back out of solution and then migrate up as well.

e: If you used a tool to pressure-bleed the brakes then you wouldn't necessarily need to do this, but if you're not a mechanic with fancy tools you're going to be doing the squeeze-bleed-squeeze method along with the rest of us. That's where the "slight pressure overnight" comes in handy.

:raise: doesnt pressure on the MC automatically assume that any escape routes for air or anything are sealed, as if they werent, you wouldnt make any pressure?

I am a firm believer that the "pressure on the pedal/lever overnight" method is at best a band-aid for a different problem and at worst a complete placebo.

Kilersquirrel
Oct 16, 2004
My little sister is awesome and bought me this account.
On my own bike, pressing the brake lever just slightly lets me sink the brake piston back in much more easily than not(yes I know I should just bleed it out the valve anyways). When I bought my first bike the brakes were completely drained and need a fill, I did the normal pump-bleed-pump thing and while it got most of the air out there was still a little trapped. I left the cover off and pressed the brake lever just slightly and got a slow stream of tiny bubbles out of it over the course of 5-8 minutes. So pressing the lever a little bit can provide a way for some stuck air to get out, at least with 80s and 90s Honda cruisers.

That all being said, it's an old-timer's trick that was picked up on old bikes, and I'd expect it's a placebo for anything modern and late-model. Particularly if it's advanced enough to have ABS and other things like that. Don't forget both manufacturing and materials quality are miles ahead now of what they were just 10 years ago, and bike manufacturers are more known for occupying the "ehhh good enough" end of the spectrum rather than the "nothing but perfection" end.

quick edit: you can still make pressure with a technically-leaky system, the pressure you make is just affected by how big the leak is.

ReelBigLizard
Feb 27, 2003

Fallen Rib
A motorcycle brake system is pushing around 800psi when pressurised (there is a reason those lines are braided). If you have a leak of any size, 800psi overnight would push fluid out somewhere.

Since discussing it here previously I did some more reading up about solubility of gases in solutions.

The pressure generated is easily enough to push any air into solution in the brake fluid. You really are just making fizzy brake fluid. This is why the overnight zip-tie is only a band aid, and why the brakes will soon become spongy again with a little use. It is possible that as the gases come out of solution again the bubbles will reform in places where they can escape more easily, but as the brake fluid doesn't flow about that much in the system you're only going to get rid of a little at best.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Sagebrush posted:

So my bike has an interesting quirk with neutral.

- When the engine is off, it goes into neutral perfectly.
- If I've been riding around normally and going through all the gears, then come to a stop and let the bike idle, it also goes into neutral just fine, about 95% of the time.
- If I've been moving in stop and go traffic, only going between first and second and using the clutch a lot, the next time I come to a stop and let the bike idle, there's at least a 50% chance that the transmission won't go into neutral. The shifter will feel stuck and it will take a lot of extra force to get it to move, and it will pop over into second.
- HOWEVER: if I give the bike even the tiniest bit of gas, like revving it from the 1200 idle to about 1500, I can slip it into neutral with the tip of my toe. Works perfectly. So I also have no problem shifting up as I leave the stop because the engine is running above idle.
- The transmission also goes into neutral without issue when the bike is rolling, regardless of engine speed.

This isn't something I find problematic -- as noted, I can get into neutral at any time with a blip of the throttle, and according to the Hawk forums it's just the way Hawk transmissions function and the solution is what I'm already doing.

But my question is: why does this happen? What's the underlying mechanical reason that the transmission is stubborn about finding neutral at idle? And most strangely, why would it be different when I've been riding normally and using all the gears vs. just been riding around slowly in first and second?

e: my CL350 was the opposite way -- you'd have to let the engine drop to idle in order to get it into neutral, and if it wouldn't go the solution was to roll it back and forth a few inches.

If it only happens when the bike is hot from extended clutch use, I'd bet the additional heat is causing the plates to stick slightly (either because of thermal expansion, because the plates don't separate all that much when the clutch is pulled in, they warp ever so slightly when hot, or a variety of other factors). You punting the throttle causes the difference between engine speed and transmission speed to completely cause the clutch to spin free, and you can easily shift into neutral. Basically, think about the clunk as the bike goes from neutral to first when cold, and you're pretty much having that problem in reverse - everything is spinning, under very light load, and slightly stuck together, and you're trying to get half of the transmission to freewheel in neutral against the force of the engine. If you rev the engine or slip the clutch slightly, you break the stiction that the clutch is experiencing, and it's easier to get into neutral now that the entire system is fully disconnected.

It also depends on the design of the fork drums, the transmission, as to if it goes into neutral easier or with more difficulty when placed under light load - I'd imagine undercut gears also contribute to the difficulty of unlinking the transmission bits.

Z3n fucked around with this message at 17:27 on May 22, 2014

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007
My XLR is getting really hard to kick start. Sometimes it'll start right up, other times no amount of kicking will get it to turn over (have to push-start it). Seems to be a little stuttery at lower RPMs accelerating from a stop sometimes. Wondering if carbs are due for a cleaning? Last time was something like 10-15k kms ago, I think.

Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 03:37 on May 23, 2014

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Unless your tank is full of rust, your gas is awful and old or the bike's been sitting for a while, you shouldn't really have to clean the carburetors at all. The varnish deposits that gasoline can leave behind are dissolved very well by, surprise, gasoline. If you have some flow through all the jets and there aren't little sand grains or rust particles or paint chips floating around, all the important parts should stay clean automatically.

e: and don't forget the number one rule of motorcycle maintenance: if you think it's a fuel issue, it's electrical; if you think it's electrical, it's fuel. You think it's fuel, so check your battery.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

Sagebrush posted:

Unless your tank is full of rust, your gas is awful and old or the bike's been sitting for a while, you shouldn't really have to clean the carburetors at all. The varnish deposits that gasoline can leave behind are dissolved very well by, surprise, gasoline. If you have some flow through all the jets and there aren't little sand grains or rust particles or paint chips floating around, all the important parts should stay clean automatically.

e: and don't forget the number one rule of motorcycle maintenance: if you think it's a fuel issue, it's electrical; if you think it's electrical, it's fuel. You think it's fuel, so check your battery.

No battery!

Tanbo
Nov 19, 2013


Well there's your problem. :downsrim:

Day Man
Jul 30, 2007

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Master of karate and friendship...
for everyone!


I noticed a few weeks ago that my cbr has a little bit of a wobble when I'm below 20 mph and hard on the front brakes. I saw that the pads were low (about 1/16" left), so I decided to change them to see if it rectifies the issue. Its been a couple of weeks since the change, and the wobble is still there. When I get below about 20, I can feel a pulsation through the bars. The wheel feels like it's pulling to the right then letting up over and over. Looking at the brake discs, the don't look warped badly. I don't feel major grooves anywhere. I noticed that the outside pad on the right seems to have a darker section towards the center of the wheel like its been hitting there first. Ideas? I'll go take some pictures of the disc I'm suspicious of.

Edit: posting from my phone, sorry for not formatting these properly:

http://imgur.com/vjni6tr
http://imgur.com/R652e34
http://imgur.com/Y51eRZV

Day Man fucked around with this message at 16:29 on May 23, 2014

Dutymode
Dec 31, 2008
My 1981 Goldwing has some light rust in the tank and I'm too lazy to take it out to clean it. Would it be a terrible idea to try cleaning it with vinegar while it's still in?

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Are there rust flakes floating around inside or coming out of the petcock? If you clean the filter and run a tank of gas through, is the filter still clean or full of junk?

Cause if there's nothing floating around I wouldn't worry about it. Surface rust is just that -- on the surface. Gasoline will displace moisture and prevent further oxidization if you keep the tank full. It's the crusty pieces that break off that you need to worry about.

Baller Witness Bro
Nov 16, 2006

Hey FedEx, how dare you deliver something before your "delivered by" time.
Vinegar isn't going to do anything to the rust more than rinsing it with water would. I'd say do it right or don't waste time on it IMO.

It doesn't take much effort to remove the tank. I recently swapped tanks and took that opportunity to clean out any gunk hanging around the fuel pump and such. Some people have had luck adding a bunch of bolts or something to the tank and banging it around to loosen up any rust that's hanging out in there. In your case I'd take off the tank and go to Lowe's or similar and pick up some phosphoric acid to clean it up after you do the above. Might want to install a filter as well to catch any particulates that are making it down past the petcock.

I guess it depends on how much rust is "light rust"?

E:B ^

Dutymode
Dec 31, 2008
I rode it for a month last fall and all this spring, the fuel filter is still clean.

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SomethingLiz
Jan 23, 2009
Can anyone identify these pipes? They came with the bike when I bought it, and I haven't seen any like them in my quest for less obnoxious exhaust. I'm looking for either the manufacturer, or even what this style is called.

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