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# ? May 26, 2014 10:32 |
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Nigel Farage on the BBC saying it's been a tough couple of weeks because everyone's been against them Counterpoint: the continued existence of Nick Robinson; about a million other things
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# ? May 26, 2014 11:05 |
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tdrules posted:oh noooo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs Well, Greens beat the Lib Dems at least. I do wonder if I should have gone with Labour instead though Answers Me posted:Counterpoint: the continued existence of Nick Robinson; about a million other things Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 11:13 on May 26, 2014 |
# ? May 26, 2014 11:06 |
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Does anyone have a full breakdown of results that shows the voting for each local authority? I want to try and take solace in the possibility that my local area didn't vote quite as horribly as the rest of the region
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# ? May 26, 2014 11:20 |
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Carecat posted:A lot of the public write off the BBC as being left wing propaganda. Whenever I hear/see the BBC trying to do 'balance' by having two opposite and extreme ends of the spectrum on any given topic, I'm reminded of the time my Step-Dad (who was a fairly big cheese in the world of town planning) was asked to participate in a news segment, but after speaking to the producer pre-show was told they couldn't use him because he was too balanced and even handed.
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# ? May 26, 2014 11:23 |
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Jedit posted:Go gently caress yourself, you racist piece of poo poo. Can we have the graph before we start throwing these accusations around?
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# ? May 26, 2014 11:29 |
Do your part, salt the earth
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# ? May 26, 2014 11:33 |
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Debates on entryism used to be pretty frequent in previous incarnations of this thread, but now seems as good a time as any to pose this as devil's advocate: Given FPTP as a constant, is the English Left doing itself a disservice by enthusiastically voting for various smaller parties instead of swallowing its pride and trying to take back the historical party of the working classes by force? I guess the last time this was attempted the unions went rogue and voted old Red Ed in, only to watch him get infected by the zombie New Labour virus, so maybe it just can't be done effectively. I'm just not sure relying on Labour's traditional working class vote to die off so we can start from scratch is working, the inertia is too strong and the Greens et al don't have a message as straightforward and catchy as 'Send 'em back where they came from'.
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# ? May 26, 2014 11:35 |
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Psybro posted:Debates on entryism used to be pretty frequent in previous incarnations of this thread, but now seems as good a time as any to pose this as devil's advocate: The Labour Party constitution is designed to prevent entryism following the Militant attempts in the 80s, and this effect was only worsened by the centralisation of power in Blair's reforms. It would honestly be easier to turn the Conservatives into a left-wing party via entryism than Labour, simply because (for now) the constituency parties still have a considerable say in central policy, although this is something that has been eroded significantly over the last decade.
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# ? May 26, 2014 11:39 |
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Can somebody please explain left-wing anti-EU parties to me? What is their beef and what platform are they campaigning on? I presume not an immigration one so I assume it's down to principles of democracy and economics etc. A friend asked me today and I had absolutely no idea. Also everybody is loving stupid, burn everything to the ground, etc.
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# ? May 26, 2014 11:50 |
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thehustler posted:Can somebody please explain left-wing anti-EU parties to me? What is their beef and what platform are they campaigning on? I presume not an immigration one so I assume it's down to principles of democracy and economics etc. Immigration certainly, the idea that free movement allows a race to the bottom in wages.
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# ? May 26, 2014 11:53 |
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thehustler posted:Can somebody please explain left-wing anti-EU parties to me? What is their beef and what platform are they campaigning on? I presume not an immigration one so I assume it's down to principles of democracy and economics etc. keep punching joe posted:Immigration certainly, the idea that free movement allows a race to the bottom in wages. Also the perception of the EU as the culmination of the free-market liberal ideal on a continental scale. Its viewed as too corrupt and too entrenched in its policies to be reformed, so therefore the answer is to simply quit.
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# ? May 26, 2014 11:56 |
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thehustler posted:Can somebody please explain left-wing anti-EU parties to me? What is their beef and what platform are they campaigning on? I presume not an immigration one so I assume it's down to principles of democracy and economics etc. Well, the Common Agricultural Policy is an economic, political, and ethical disaster, there's a severe democratic deficit, and a perception that the EU pushed austerity down everyone's throats.
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# ? May 26, 2014 11:57 |
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the common market forces left-wing politics onto an unpalatable choice between abandoning their traditional strengths in local populism, or openly going to bat for nationalism. shifting the nexus of political power and redistribution from national capitals to Brussels has that effect. the political evolution of the CAP is illustrative - French farmers started out on the side of the anti-globalization and union-aligned French left and have steadily drifted rightward. They still want the CAP, but they're no longer readily welcome in a coalition that rejects globalization as much as they do, but isn't getting bribed with a multi-billion-euro subsidy in order to tolerate it. ronya fucked around with this message at 12:21 on May 26, 2014 |
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thehustler posted:Can somebody please explain left-wing anti-EU parties to me? What is their beef and what platform are they campaigning on? I presume not an immigration one so I assume it's down to principles of democracy and economics etc. The EU is at its core pro free trade and will carry on trying to negotiate free trade agreements with as many countries as possible, regardless of a democratic mandate to do so. It also makes it a lot harder for member governments to intervene in their economies with state owned companies, subsidies in specific industries etc.. EU Free trade agreements( from wikipedia): The real question is why so many people on the left are pro EU
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# ? May 26, 2014 12:27 |
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Broniki posted:
That could also pretty easily be as much of a graph of the distribution of the rich and privileged in Scotland, if you want to start identifying demographics. Not sure about Fife though, which I didn't know had that high a score for either metric.
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# ? May 26, 2014 12:27 |
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Going back to the media issue, the problem isn't so much the Mail and friends talking poo poo any more, it's that the population in general assumes that everyone is talking poo poo, so it's become very hard to change people's minds on various hot button topics. People will know that the Mail are talking poo poo about Christmas being banned, for example, but at the same time this kills their receptiveness to any argument because 'everyone is biased'. At this point, they return to their gut feelings and that gets you Bloke Down The Pub Nige and his Sensible Straight Talking pushed to the front of the queue.
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# ? May 26, 2014 12:28 |
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Thanks everyone. I was just trying to decide what the difference was between right and left anti-EU parties. What are the specific issues they differ on, etc?
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# ? May 26, 2014 12:34 |
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Replace "world" with "EU", and cross out one of the arms of the trilemma (Bretton Woods compromise/Deep economic integration because of the common currency/common market), and you've got the unpleasant dilemma of the EU to sustain substantive state subsidies with further integration would require subsidization at the EU level (a la CAP), which is decidedly possible, but it's a very different set of beneficiaries from the current set. Those that can sustain pan-EU coalitions instead of those that can take Paris hostage or whatever. It is the change that is traumatic; the new favoured groups might be found on the left as well. Cynically, this is why, e.g., Greens tend to be pro-EU. ronya fucked around with this message at 12:55 on May 26, 2014 |
# ? May 26, 2014 12:49 |
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Angepain posted:That could also pretty easily be as much of a graph of the distribution of the rich and privileged in Scotland, if you want to start identifying demographics. Not sure about Fife though, which I didn't know had that high a score for either metric. St. Andrews
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# ? May 26, 2014 12:49 |
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Angepain posted:That could also pretty easily be as much of a graph of the distribution of the rich and privileged in Scotland, if you want to start identifying demographics. Not sure about Fife though, which I didn't know had that high a score for either metric. Basing it off that graph is entirely misleading: UKIP came dead last in Edinburgh with only 7.7% of the vote, one of their worst results throughout the country. The Herald has the percentage votes by council region here.
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Broniki posted:St. Andrews St. Andrews isn't in Scotland.
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# ? May 26, 2014 13:13 |
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Angepain posted:That could also pretty easily be as much of a graph of the distribution of the rich and privileged in Scotland, if you want to start identifying demographics. Not sure about Fife though, which I didn't know had that high a score for either metric. Fife is one of the most "local" minded areas in all of Scotland.
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Disgusting Coward posted:St. Andrews isn't in Scotland. What gave you that Idea? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Andrews Party Boat posted:Am I missing a really obvious joke here? I thought that as well. I mean is coward talking about that St. Andrews? Extreme0 fucked around with this message at 13:19 on May 26, 2014 |
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Disgusting Coward posted:St. Andrews isn't in Scotland. Am I missing a really obvious joke here?
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# ? May 26, 2014 13:17 |
Horror.
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# ? May 26, 2014 13:24 |
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Does anyone have any experience in applying for an enhanced CRB? I'll be going for teacher training courses in November this year, and I have a recent caution for 'criminal damage' (de-facing a UKIP billboard). Is this likely to be a problem? I know they'll be able to see it on my record, but I think if I disclose it in good time and make clear that I feel a bit silly now, won't do it again, I should be alright.
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# ? May 26, 2014 13:30 |
Extreme0 posted:What gave you that Idea? There's no Scottish people there????
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# ? May 26, 2014 13:35 |
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crazyvanman posted:Does anyone have any experience in applying for an enhanced CRB? I'll be going for teacher training courses in November this year, and I have a recent caution for 'criminal damage' (de-facing a UKIP billboard). Is this likely to be a problem? I know they'll be able to see it on my record, but I think if I disclose it in good time and make clear that I feel a bit silly now, won't do it again, I should be alright. Yes, I have done two for teaching, one under the old system and one under the new DBS system. You will probably be alright, but make sure you always disclose it when asked. Also, I think it's worth paying the subscription fee to keep your DBS current (it's £15/year I think) and the bonus is it allows you to see who's been checking up on you. e: just to add, the big no no offences are drugs, violence and fraud. From what I understand the fraud one is about trust, the drugs about being a fit role model and violence is self explanatory. Obviously sex offences. HortonNash fucked around with this message at 13:42 on May 26, 2014 |
# ? May 26, 2014 13:38 |
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The BBC were just in the middle of talking to Paddy Ashdown, and they completely interrupted him to cut away to live footage of Farage walking down the street. Not that I care about Ashdown particularly, but why do people put up with that poo poo?
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# ? May 26, 2014 13:54 |
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Answers Me posted:The BBC were just in the middle of talking to Paddy Ashdown, and they completely interrupted him to cut away to live footage of Farage walking down the street. Not that I care about Ashdown particularly, but why do people put up with that poo poo? We kinda have to, it's a free country and Farage can walk where he likes.
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# ? May 26, 2014 14:56 |
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thehustler posted:Thanks everyone. I was just trying to decide what the difference was between right and left anti-EU parties. What are the specific issues they differ on, etc? I believe this is the 'main' left wing anti-EU party, it's certainly the one Bob Crow endorsed, so you might find it useful. http://www.no2eu.com/
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# ? May 26, 2014 15:13 |
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The Scottish Ukip MEP sounds like quite the piece of workquote:David Coburn UKIP @DavidCoburnUKip May 25
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# ? May 26, 2014 15:18 |
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not being allowed to call someone a human being representing the worst oppression you'll face is a sign your life is pretty good. Not realising this makes you pretty bad. Film at 10.
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# ? May 26, 2014 15:33 |
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So, after finishing second in an election, Labour has decided "oh, we could've come first if we were more racist":EXCLUSIVE: 'We were WRONG, we are SORRY' Senior Labour MP pens open letter to Ukip voters posted:Shadow Justice Minister Sadiq Khan concedes Labour has been "too quick to dismiss concerns about immigration, or even worse - accused people of prejudice" in the letter, which was sent exclusively to Express.co.uk. I've bolded that last line for a reason: Khan's portfolio has nothing to do with immigration; that's Yvette Cooper's and David Hanson's portfolio (and Cooper as made similar waves this weekend too). I can't think of any reason that Khan would make a statement other than the party telling him "get out there to prove our new policy isn't racist". e: Of course Muppet Sundial agrees with it. TinTower fucked around with this message at 15:44 on May 26, 2014 |
# ? May 26, 2014 15:36 |
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Paddy Ashdown was the best prime minister we never had. He is ex SAS for fucks sake!!! The lib Dems lost me as a supporter during when during the coalition it was obvious the Tories were using them as their whipping boys, and Nick Cleggs rather bizarre to ditch Lib Dem policy just to keep big Dave happy. The right move for Clegg right now is to dissolve the coalition. Myrddin_Emrys fucked around with this message at 15:41 on May 26, 2014 |
# ? May 26, 2014 15:39 |
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Ed Milliband is the single worst part of our our political process. If he had any balls he'd be standing up and calling UKIP a bunch of racist toffs while announcing plans to save the NHS, welfare and education. No loving wonder political apathy is so high when the sole party that claims to represent the people doesn't give a poo poo.
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Rather Dashing posted:So how difficult is it to emigrate to Canada? I'm genuinely terrified of some authoritarian Tory / UKIP coalition being formed next year. It must be dire to make living under our strong, stable majority Conservative government appealing.
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# ? May 26, 2014 15:44 |
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The Supreme Court posted:Ed Milliband is everything that's worst about our political process. If he had any balls he'd be standing up and calling UKIP a bunch of racist toffs while announcing plans to save the NHS, welfare and education. No loving wonder political apathy is so high when the party that claims to represent the people doesn't give a poo poo. My mum's a research professor in pain, and is saying that the NHS's funding situation is bad enough that it's likely to collapse by August. Even if they had the political will, Labour might not get the chance to save it.
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The Supreme Court posted:Ed Milliband is the single worst part of our our political process. If he had any balls he'd be standing up and calling UKIP a bunch of racist toffs while announcing plans to save the NHS, welfare and education. No loving wonder political apathy is so high when the sole party that claims to represent the people doesn't give a poo poo. Like the rest of them, Ed Milliband does not give as poo poo about the average person in the UK. As long as he continues to get his pay and expenses, he couldn't care less.
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# ? May 26, 2014 15:47 |