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Darkhold posted:I don't really care about Steampunk but people are honestly upset that it's not 'deep' enough and it makes light of a brutal time period? It's a stupid nerd fantasy thing just like every other stupid nerd fantasy thing. Do you guys also rage against the life of serfs during the medieval period when you read about an RPG? You're dumb and you don't really think critically about things
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Prop Wash posted:You're dumb and you don't really think critically about things I should really be offended at people cosplaying but I don't give a poo poo either, is it bad ?
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May 26, 2014 12:26
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ullerrm posted:Humor me -- what would you consider a good theme/issue to explore in a steampunk setting? Yeah honestly I used to think that steampunk could do something worthwhile with the actual lovely elements of that particular era, but then I realized nothing steampunk brings to the table helps tell that narrative-- or enhances the aesthetic, which is about the only other thing the genre has. Steampunk seems to primarily exist as a thing for costumers anyway, and while the brass and cogs glued onto slightly period outfits is silly, so is dressing up as Wolverine or whatever, so I can file it in the same mental box. As a genre of fiction, though... I dunno, it's lovely in a lot of ways, but so are a lot of genres. I wonder if most of my annoyance there comes from calling something inherently nostalgic and utopian "punk" in any way because that is like the literal opposite.
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May 26, 2014 12:30
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I once went to a Steampunk thing as a coal shoveler. It went over as well as you'd think.
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May 26, 2014 13:40
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Prop Wash posted:You're dumb and you don't really think critically about things Until you come up with a convincing argument my default will be that it's a silly little sub-genre but people that get upset that it's not portrayed the 'proper' way are even sillier. Edit: on second thought nevermind. I honestly cannot conceive of an argument that would cause me to take a fantasy alt-history like Steampunk seriously enough to get outraged by it. It's not like it's hetalia or whatever it's called that turns atrocities in living memory into cute anime people or whatever the hell is up with that show. Show me some Steampunk people working on the same level of dressing up as Nazis and shooting a Jewish temple and I'll start to worry about the people involved in it. Darkhold has a new favorite as of 14:47 on May 26, 2014 |
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May 26, 2014 14:35
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Anoia posted:I once went to a Steampunk thing as a coal shoveler. It went over as well as you'd think. Did your shovel have cogs on it?
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Darkhold posted:Well feel free to enlighten me. Exactly how damaging is Steampunk to society as a whole? If it is such a promising alt-history what is stopping it from being elevated to the level people seem to be complaining about? What makes it so different from any other brutal time period in history that people play-act? Any other day of the week SA is happy to jump on delusional nerds dressing up as weirdos and at least furries have the decency (sometimes) not to dress up as the guys who caused the Potato Famine, I don't see what more reason is needed than that tbh  Anoia posted:I once went to a Steampunk thing as a coal shoveler. It went over as well as you'd think. That's pretty funny, good job!
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Any other day of the week SA is happy to jump on delusional nerds dressing up as weirdos and at least furries have the decency (sometimes) not to dress up as the guys who caused the Potato Famine, I don't see what more reason is needed than that tbh Certainly make fun of them for dressing and acting like idiots I think everyone could get on board with that.
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A Steampunk Gent posted:at least furries have the decency (sometimes) not to dress up as the guys who caused the Potato Famine ... but at other times they'll jump in with both feet. Pandamonium: A Steampunk Panda Adventure Book Kickstarter "The Steampunk Panda adventure you've been waiting for."  Jet engines aren't steampunk, there's nothing holding that ship in the air and those sails would just slow it down!  Edit: apparently there's 389 Kickstarter projects that feature the word 'steampunk'
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Steampunk is good for now because there is no books written in the genre yet, unlike fantasy which has everything under the sun. Edit: To clarify a little more, I meant more in the way of mainstream impacting, AAA+++ Hollywood adaptation worthy book series that featured prominent fetishism like GoT and LotR. In that sense you can think like Fantasy = rape, at least 3 authors that write mainly about rape in that genre even if you never read the books, Sci-fi = probably pedophiles or computer sex or whatever, but steampunk = ??? it doesnt have any major work of literature to stain it's name and turn it into a home base for weirdos, at the moment its just coplayers who really want to be cool. Dr. Video Games 0112 has a new favorite as of 15:52 on May 26, 2014 |
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Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:Steampunk is good for now because there is no books written in the genre yet, unlike fantasy which has everything under the sun. Steampunk would probably still be seen as nothing but an element of fantasy/science-fantasy anyway. I'm not sure whether the authors of "City of Saints and Madmen" or "Perdido Street Station" would appreciate to be called "steampunk writers".
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May 26, 2014 15:41
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William Gibson and Bruce Sterling's The Difference Engine did a pretty good job of saying "Hey, this time period is actually pretty awful and adding in more advanced technology would probably just make things worse."
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May 26, 2014 15:46
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Paladinus posted:It's problematic. The problem is that for every one of ^ there's a hundred: 
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May 26, 2014 16:07
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ullerrm posted:Humor me -- what would you consider a good theme/issue to explore in a steampunk setting? The best steampunk tends to have heavy Marxist or at least labor-vs.-capital political and economic class struggle themes and use the setting to explore them. Think China Mieville or Michael Swanwyck (Perdido Street Station, Iron Dragon's Daughter respectively).
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May 26, 2014 16:20
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steampunk is for gay nerds and its really lame sry 
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May 26, 2014 17:12
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Obligatory. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFCuE5rHbPA Also, all people who dress in Victorian-looking clothes are worse than nazis. That much this thread has taught me.
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May 26, 2014 17:12
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At least Nazi uniforms don't look retarded.
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May 26, 2014 17:32
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Diesel Punk is infinitely superior to Steam Punk
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May 26, 2014 17:39
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Rococo punk
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AlmightyBob posted:Rococo punk  http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/rococopunk
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Great Rumbler posted:William Gibson and Bruce Sterling's The Difference Engine did a pretty good job of saying "Hey, this time period is actually pretty awful and adding in more advanced technology would probably just make things worse." Stephen Baxter's Anti-Ice was also pretty good, as it opens with the UK basically nuking Russia during the Crimean War in the 1850s and uses a lot of Cold War themes. Crashbee has a new favorite as of 18:21 on May 26, 2014 |
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May 26, 2014 18:19
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Of course some people take the steampunk thing to whole new levels http://www.littledeathray.com
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And in a similar vein: http://wearebaroquepunk.tumblr.com/
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waah posted:Of course some people take the steampunk thing to whole new levels It isn't even a steam powered piston dildo.  2/10 would not stuck in my rear end. SpaceGoatFarts has a new favorite as of 20:01 on May 26, 2014 |
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May 26, 2014 19:59
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I'm waiting for someone to make cavemanpunk a thing.
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Morglon posted:I'm waiting for someone to make cavemanpunk a thing. It is a thing. It's called stone punk, I believe.
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Morglon posted:I'm waiting for someone to make cavemanpunk a thing. The Flintstones already exists.
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Morglon posted:I'm waiting for someone to make cavemanpunk a thing. The Flintstones already exists.
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Is there an everything-punk by now? I kind of wish Treepunk had taken off, honestly.
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Isn't that The Flintstones
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:And pens with cogs: This is pretty funny because the ballpoint pen was invented in 1888. A steampunk pen is literally just a pen.
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Byzantine posted:This is pretty funny because the ballpoint pen was invented in 1888. A steampunk pen is literally just a pen. It's like when people try to make steam punk steam trains.
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waah posted:Of course some people take the steampunk thing to whole new levels You know, there may be an actual market for replicas of vintage "massage" and "anti-hysteria" devices. Not for this retarded poo poo, though.
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Shorter Than Some posted:The Flintstones already exists. Well yeah but you don't see many people cosplaying that. Probably a good thing though since I don't want to see lots of mostly naked nerds.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Did your shovel have cogs on it? No, and I think that upset people more than the fact I kept coughing and calling the wannabe lords and ladies "guv".
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Steampunk in fiction sucks because it's people just using magic to justify not having to actually learn or understand anything about the Victorian era beyond stuff like pith helmets and corsets and not having to be creative enough to work within the limits of the time period. It's like when sci-fi writers make all of Asia a single monolithic pan-asian entity because they're too lazy to learn anything about individual cultures and besides it's all just ching chong bing bong anyways right?
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...of SCIENCE! posted:Steampunk in fiction sucks because it's people just using magic to justify not having to actually learn or understand anything about the Victorian era beyond stuff like pith helmets and corsets and not having to be creative enough to work within the limits of the time period. It's like when sci-fi writers make all of Asia a single monolithic pan-asian entity because they're too lazy to learn anything about individual cultures and besides it's all just ching chong bing bong anyways right? At least in Saturn's Race we were kind enough to render them all sterile under the guise of vaccinations.
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Morglon posted:Well yeah but you don't see many people cosplaying that. Probably a good thing though since I don't want to see lots of mostly naked nerds. Nerds aren't all that bad http://www.steamgirl.com/the-gallery.html
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Crashbee posted:Nerds aren't all that bad Yes, paid models are hot
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