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Shimrra Jamaane I appreciate you taking one for the team and torturing yourself with execrable television/history for our amusement.
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I'm so glad you're watching this instead of me.
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May 28, 2014 02:17
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I recommend either painkillers, or booze. Just avoid both until it gets into alien giga-hitler territory.
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May 28, 2014 02:18
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You are a brave man. RIP what little integrity the History channel had left. It is now forever gone.
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May 28, 2014 02:22
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Seriously, this blatant revisionism of the 1930s and its ridiculous simplification of the US economy and the New Deal is insultingly blatant in its bias. DONT CUT MILITARY SPENDING EVER. THE NEW DEAL CAUSED HITLER Im so mad right now.
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May 28, 2014 02:28
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Keep a sharp eye out - even odds they toss in some John Wayne clips as 'documentary footage' the way they're going. Also holy poo poo the whole FDR/New Deal revisionism thing that's been going on the past few years is horrifying.
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May 28, 2014 02:33
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Terrifying Effigies posted:Keep a sharp eye out - even odds they toss in some John Wayne clips as 'documentary footage' the way they're going. No way they can afford the licensing rights.
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May 28, 2014 02:34
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:8. Germany's rapid rearmament was a complete a total secret and saved the German economy. INVEST IN OUR TROOPS. How the gently caress did they get Adam Tooze to agree to an interview for this show? I thought the Nazi economy was a complete shambles propped up by war looting? How'd you get a historian to sign off on this stuff?
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May 28, 2014 02:39
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Terrifying Effigies posted:Keep a sharp eye out - even odds they toss in some John Wayne clips as 'documentary footage' the way they're going. Makes sense. That goddamn peacenik FDR.
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May 28, 2014 02:39
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At least they're not doing the Pearl Harbor conspiracies.
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May 28, 2014 02:41
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StashAugustine posted:At least they're not doing the Pearl Harbor conspiracies. Hey, the episode on WWII is tomorrow. You never know! Note: Richard J Evans and Adam Tooze were interviewed for this show. I respect them too much to believe that they had any idea of what the final product would be because they are way waaaaaay better than this.
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May 28, 2014 02:42
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So, any bets on how much time they will spend on the Eastern Front?
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May 28, 2014 02:47
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Hey, the episode on WWII is tomorrow. You never know! You know you've watched 2 now, you're locked in for the third.
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May 28, 2014 02:48
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Please Mr. Jamaane, please watch it and tell us about it.
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May 28, 2014 03:08
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Baloogan posted:Please Mr. Jamaane, please watch it and tell us about it. I cant tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I can't tell what's real anymore. And now apparently THE NAZIS HAD MECHS AND A MOON BASE oh wait thats just an ad for Wolfenstein. Got confused for a second Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 03:20 on May 28, 2014 |
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May 28, 2014 03:16
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Fangz posted:Makes sense. That goddamn peacenik FDR.
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May 28, 2014 03:23
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I cant tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I can't tell what's real anymore. I'm not being sarcastic, I just watched part one a bit ago and your commentary added to the experience.
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May 28, 2014 03:25
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Tomn posted:How'd you get a historian to sign off on this stuff? Offer him a ham sandwich.
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May 28, 2014 03:29
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An actual commercial for a show on the History Channel. "Ive been searching for the Ark of the Covenant for a while now and all signs point to Arizona."
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May 28, 2014 03:47
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:An actual commercial for a show on the History Channel. I see it went on uh... Quite the little trip there. And no mention of the Rape of Nanking, really?
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May 28, 2014 04:37
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Xiahou Dun posted:I see it went on uh... Quite the little trip there. Not a peep
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May 28, 2014 04:37
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Xiahou Dun posted:And no mention of the Rape of Nanking, really? Japan and China? A sideshow. Don't you know that World War Two was all about Europe?
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May 28, 2014 04:41
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Ofaloaf posted:It came out 50 years after the outbreak of WWI and did a lot of what Ken Burns did before Ken Burns could do it, except it also incorporated live interviews from WWI vets because those dudes were still around in decent numbers in 1964. I dunno how accurate it is 50 years down the line but wow, from a presentation standpoint this has aged insanely well. I have trouble watching documentaries from the 70s and 80s but this practically feels like it could have been made today (aside from like, being black and white). also since this seems to come up a lot, look at this 20th century cavalry! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tvLJbug_cg&t=560s (I'm assuming it's staged? how much footage actually was taken in WW1?) Surreal that it was 100 years ago this year that this all happened. I still have trouble shaking the notion from when I was little that lots of WW1 vets are still alive.
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May 28, 2014 05:06
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Koramei posted:also since this seems to come up a lot, look at this 20th century cavalry! Were those actual, honest to god made-for-stabbing lances that those cavalrymen were using? The more I read about the first months of WWI, the more the clash of technology makes my head spin. I do find it hilarious that in between talking about the East Prussian exodus in the face of the Russian Army and the Battle of Tannerburg, it shows a bunch of Russians dancing and playing music. I just like to imagine that someone at the BBC found footage of that, and by god he was going to put it somewhere in the documentary because it was too good not to be used.
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May 28, 2014 07:35
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P-Mack posted:Thanks, checking those out. Mostly #1, but when she says the war had no positive effects and was essentially meaningless, that's 100% 1939 talking, and we don't really think that any more. You should still read it, she has a very good eye for human nature. Edit: Also, since women weren't allowed in big libraries without a man to escort them at the time, that beautiful book is the fruit of research that she could fit around some chaperone's schedule. Edit 2: Also she was like 25 or something.  
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May 28, 2014 08:53
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Fangz posted:So, any bets on how much time they will spend on the Eastern Front? D-Day was the much-needed relief action that prevented the soviet union from completely collapsing under the relentless nazi onslaught. They were basically just constantly retreating and attacking in human waves while waiting for the Americans (only the Americans btw) to land in europe and distract hitler.
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May 28, 2014 09:12
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Are Marines sacrifice at Iwo Jima paid it dividend in ensuring the end of German dominance in the Mediterranean.
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May 28, 2014 09:28
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Slavvy posted:D-Day was the much-needed relief action that prevented the soviet union from completely collapsing under the relentless nazi onslaught. They were basically just constantly retreating and attacking in human waves while waiting for the Americans (only the Americans btw) to land in europe and distract hitler.
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May 28, 2014 10:15
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I love books/movies about the western front like A Bridge Too Far, but reading Inferno was fun because it was super upfront about how the USSR accounted for 4.5ish million out of 5ish million German combat deaths.
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May 28, 2014 10:32
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Ofaloaf posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxK-qR14pVg That looks really cool. How unbiased is it?
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May 28, 2014 12:03
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I don't think its very biased, but it is BBC made e: having watched episode 14, I'd say they treated the Easter Rising as fairly as they could, the rebels are called extremists several times, but then you don't really expect the British establishment to understand why a group of people would want to be free of them. Rabhadh fucked around with this message at 12:54 on May 28, 2014 |
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May 28, 2014 12:30
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It's been a while since I've watched "World at War" but it seemed very dated, especially in stuff concerning Fall Weiss and Barbarossa. I imagine they didn't have any access/didn't care about sources from Eastern Europe or USSR..
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May 28, 2014 12:32
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Hogge Wild posted:That looks really cool. How unbiased is it? It seems fairly unbiased, but I can only speak from a laymans perspective. What I can say for sure is that it is an undeniable treasure trove of period footage.
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May 28, 2014 13:02
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Rabhadh posted:I don't think its very biased, but it is BBC made
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May 28, 2014 14:33
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Yeah, that was kind of dick thing that didn't help matters for anyone in the long run. Also, betting that the only mention of North Africa Campaign in that horrible History channel documentary will be like 30 seconds of Operation Torch.
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May 28, 2014 15:15
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You mean that time when the British were going to be pushed into the Suez canal but Patton landed with his unicorn Brigade out west and Rommel just turned around and ran at him screaming because he knew he was doomed? Well obviously, because the rest of the African campaign is just boring.
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May 28, 2014 15:25
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SeanBeansShako posted:Yeah, that was kind of dick thing that didn't help matters for anyone in the long run. A documentary that can resist fawning over Rommel, the coolest German? That's almost inconceivable.
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May 28, 2014 15:52
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I hadn't thought of the inevitible Rommel boner popping that will happen. You guys ever seen that Ministry of War Propaganda poster of Churchill with his sleeves up followed by all the other men of Britain doing the same? Well, take away the latter part of that image and you pretty much has distilled everything so far about Britain in WW2 according to that documentary. I take it there was not a single mention of Dowding, Dunkirk, the fall of Hong Kong and Singapore or the early attempts at British Bombing of German Industry? Also, I agree very much on the opinions so far over the BBC WW1 Documentary, I like the fact it is shot in black and white. Sort of makes you focus more on what is being said. SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 16:06 on May 28, 2014 |
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May 28, 2014 16:04
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I'm sure the only reason Axis lost in Africa was because Patton has read Rommel's book. 
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alex314 posted:I'm sure the only reason Axis lost in Africa was because Patton has read Rommel's book. It was actually Rommel's taste for gold. 
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