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zimbomonkey posted:What kind of offense am I running? Or am I choosing the offense based on the QB I choose? You can choose the offense based on the QB. old dog child posted:It's Cutler by a looooong mile Why do you feel it would be Cutler by so much?
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May 28, 2014 18:58
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May 28, 2014 18:58
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White Mike Vick would have fought teenage mutant ninja turtles, not dogs sooooooo
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May 28, 2014 18:59
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Shath Hole posted:Why do you feel it would be Cutler by so much? Cutler gets some weird hate some times but he has, in my opinion, the strongest arm in the history of the NFL, or at least one of the strongest. In addition he's a highly accomplished QB that's asked to make a variety of throws, can pinpoint deep balls which is unheard of with the velocity he has, and can go through his progressions seamlessly. The better question would be would you rather have Alex Smith or Teddy Bridgewater, or Alex Smith or Manziel. That's tougher because you have to figure what Alex Smith brings to the table as an accomplished starter who won't usually gently caress up a game versus unknown potential.
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May 28, 2014 19:00
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Are we talking about for the same price? Because Smith's agent is dreaming, he's going to get 12-14 per year, no one will give him more than that unless he wins MVP next year. At 12 million I would think it is pretty close and might take Alex due to durability.
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May 28, 2014 19:00
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Doltos posted:Cutler gets some weird hate some times but he has, in my opinion, the strongest arm in the history of the NFL, or at least one of the strongest. Nice breakdown of him. I've never heard anything like this other than he has a strong arm. How much control of the offense is he allowed under Trestman's scheme?
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May 28, 2014 19:02
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Everybody here overvalues Cutler by a lot. He's a cool dude and makes dumb people angry but he's pretty much the definition of middle of the pack. Add to that his injury concerns over the past few years and its not as clear as you guys are making it out to be. I'm not saying I'd necessarily take Smith, but its a close thing.
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May 28, 2014 19:05
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Doltos posted:Cutler gets some weird hate some times but he has, in my opinion, the strongest arm in the history of the NFL, or at least one of the strongest. Not disagreeing with that point, but I would question the "highly accomplished" part. No doubt he has all the physical tools, but he makes a lot of really, really dumb plays "franchise QBs" should not be making. To clarify, I'm not saying I would take Smith over him, but for me it wouldn't be a clear cut decision either way.
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May 28, 2014 19:05
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A Pale Horse posted:Everybody here overvalues Cutler by a lot. He's a cool dude and makes dumb people angry but he's pretty much the definition of middle of the pack. Add to that his injury concerns over the past few years and its not as clear as you guys are making it out to be. I'm not saying I'd necessarily take Smith, but its a close thing. Shath Hole posted:Not disagreeing with that point, but I would question the "highly accomplished" part. No doubt he has all the physical tools, but he makes a lot of really, really dumb plays "franchise QBs" should not be making. You're both right. Cutler also does a lot of bone headed plays and he does have injury concerns. He is kind of middle of the pack, but we are also in a really privileged age of QBs where arguably the 1A and 1B of QBs of all time are playing right now. After that you have phenomenal QBs that would be regarded as the top tier if Peyton and Brady never played the game. But the question is would you rather have Cutler or Smith, and I'd definitely put Smith way behind Cutler without even a question to it. Cutler can do everything Smith can and more, and they're both about as good as each other in a game manager situation.
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May 28, 2014 19:12
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May 28, 2014 19:14
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Shath Hole posted:Just out of curiosity, you are the GM of a franchise and have two quarterbacks to choose from. Jay Cutler and Alex Smith. Who do you choose? gently caress the Bears forever and ever, amen, but the answer is clearly Cutler.
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May 28, 2014 19:14
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Shath Hole posted:Why do you feel it would be Cutler by so much? Cutler can do anything Alex Smith can do but Smith can't do the same things as Cutler. I hate that injury concerns thing. It's football, everybody is an injury concern.
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May 28, 2014 19:15
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The answer is one Handsome Matthew Stafford.
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May 28, 2014 19:21
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old dog child posted:Cutler can do anything Alex Smith can do but Smith can't do the same things as Cutler. Let me ask a different question. You can start 1 QB (Cutler or Smith) for a playoff run. Does that change anything? vvv He wasn't even the best QB on the Bears last season...
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May 28, 2014 19:21
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I've watched Cutler put up points with a WR core of Hester, Knox(RIP) and Bennett. I've seen Cutler play and fight through getting sacked the most out of any player in the league over a 3-4 year span. He had receivers running the wrong routes and took poo poo for being injured and had everything about him questioned. I saw him throw a 50 yard back shoulder pass on a loving line, He is full stop the best Quarterback to ever put on a Bears Jersey(High Praise I know). He occasionally does stupid things, But I have faith in Cutler putting a team on his back and dragging a lovely defense to wins, than I do having Alex Smith doing the same thing. Shath Hole posted:Let me ask a different question. On a playoff caliber team? Cutler easy, Cutler only has had one year where he was on an offense that was above league average, 2013. Before last year it was Cutler and Forte vs the world. Mike Tice was a loving idiot offensive coordinator. And He still either would have made the playoffs(He got injured but would have been back were it not for Caleb Hanie and Marion Barber), or had a terrible goddamn defense(last year), or a Mike Tice lead offense... Dexo fucked around with this message at 19:25 on May 28, 2014 |
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May 28, 2014 19:21
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Shath Hole posted:You can choose the offense based on the QB. I like the mobility that Smith brings. I'm going Smith. Maybe not necessarily the better player, but I prefer his scheme to a straight up vertical attack.
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May 28, 2014 19:21
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old dog child posted:Cutler can do anything Alex Smith can do but Smith can't do the same things as Cutler. He can't do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3szXpKYCVo And he can't throw less than 14 interceptions a season.
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May 28, 2014 19:23
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Pron on VHS posted:Alex has a supportive and hot wife Don't break my heart Elizabeth, you know you want 15+mil a year
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May 28, 2014 19:24
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Matthew Stafford is good at throwing the football, both to his team and the others. What a swell guy.
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May 28, 2014 19:24
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Matthew Stafford is good at throwing the football, both to his team and the others. What a swell guy. Sharing is caring!
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May 28, 2014 19:25
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Cutler is mobile as poo poo though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48pQbggAcD0 Get hosed Son(Don't do that with your throwing shoulder tho Cutty).
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May 28, 2014 19:27
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Dexo posted:Cutler easy, Cutler only has had one year where he was on an offense that was above league average, 2013. Before last year it was Cutler and Forte vs the world. Mike Tice was a loving idiot offensive coordinator. Compared to the offensive juggernaut's Alex Smith has been a part of? Dexo posted:Cutler is mobile as poo poo though. Oh god this play. FB blew up after this play. Cutler has 4 inches and like 25 pounds on Golden. That really isn't that impressive of a play other than a QB actively seeking contact which I will admit is pretty bad rear end.
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May 28, 2014 19:28
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Matthew Stafford is good at throwing the football, both to his team and the others. What a swell guy. No one here is questioning the handsomeness or fair-mindedness of Matthew Stafford here Dogg.
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May 28, 2014 19:29
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Shath Hole posted:Let me ask a different question. A) you're dumb or a troll if you're seriously arguing for McCown B) I'd still take Cutler. A Pale Horse posted:He can't do this I really don't want to put any effort to argue (via youtube/stats). Sorry but I don't care that much.  So I'll just say this: Cutler can run (he does it pretty much every game) and his interceptions are directly related to the fact that he actually throws the ball more often and further than Smith. Alex Smith never has that opportunity because JC is his best receiver- and I know his receivers suck but they aren't trash. He just never throws it.
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May 28, 2014 19:29
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Do you want Bad Quarterback, Other Bad Quarterback, or Future Hall of Famer Matthew Stafford?
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May 28, 2014 19:30
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old dog child posted:A) you're dumb or a troll if you're seriously arguing for McCown A) I'm neither and was not arguing for McCown...however, I really don't want to grab a bunch of stats and youtube videos to show you why he (McCown) was (better). B) It's cool. I was just curious.
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May 28, 2014 19:31
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Shath Hole posted:A) I'm neither and was not arguing for McCown...however, I really don't want to grab a bunch of stats and youtube videos to show you why he (McCown) was (better). You ARE arguing for him. Don't forget to include the lovely teams he was playing when you try to convince me tia
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May 28, 2014 19:33
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Shath Hole posted:A) I'm neither and was not arguing for McCown...however, I really don't want to grab a bunch of stats and youtube videos to show you why he (McCown) was (better). please do so because i'm curious now 
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May 28, 2014 19:33
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old dog child posted:You ARE arguing for him. Don't forget to include the lovely teams he was playing when you try to convince me tia I'm not. McCown had the better season last year...that really shouldn't be news to anyone  You were arguing stats, if you want to compare stats, McCown had the better season.
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May 28, 2014 19:34
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Ah yes, McCown running a train on the vaunted Redskins and Cowboys defense, and losing every other game means that he was the savior of the Bears.
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May 28, 2014 19:34
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Shath Hole posted:I'm not. McCown had the better season last year...that really shouldn't be news to anyone Prove it! Alex Smith vs Cutler is one thing (and I can see why someone would pick Smith) but McCown? Come on, man. He played lovely teams each time he started. Did you get super excited when Kirk Cousins had that one game?
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May 28, 2014 19:35
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old dog child posted:Prove it! Alex Smith vs Cutler is one thing (and I can see why someone would pick Smith) but McCown? Come on, man. He played lovely teams each time he started. Year Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int 2013 Chi 8 109.0 149 224 66.5 1829 228.6 8.2 13 1 2013 Chi 11 89.2 224 355 63.1 2621 238.3 7.4 19 12 Is that claim really that outlandish? e: Ugh, this is turning into me looking like I would take McCown over Cutler, which  I would not. I only brought it up because you referenced statistics, and looking at those stats, one could make the argument McCown had the better season*.*Does not mean he is the better QB jesus christ people.
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May 28, 2014 19:37
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Shath Hole posted:I'm not. McCown had the better season last year...that really shouldn't be news to anyone Stats without context are pointless.
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May 28, 2014 19:37
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Do you want Matthew Stafford, Matthew Stafford made of lunchmeats, or Matthew Stafford made out of fancy cake stuff?
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May 28, 2014 19:37
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All I want to say is Alex Smith and McCown combined to lead offenses that dropped over 40 points each on Washington last year. Christian Ponder managed only 34.
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May 28, 2014 19:38
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Do you want Matthew Stafford, Matthew Stafford made of lunchmeats, or Matthew Stafford made out of fancy cake stuff? cake stuff, no loving contest. Why would you bring up any other Stafford.
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May 28, 2014 19:38
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Yeah, McCown is so good he's probably going to lose out to Glennon as the Bucs day one starter despite being brought in specifically to start. A few good games in an otherwise poo poo career does not inspire confidence.
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May 28, 2014 19:39
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A Pale Horse posted:Yeah, McCown is so good he's probably going to lose out to Glennon as the Bucs day one starter despite being brought in specifically to start. A few good games in an otherwise poo poo career does not inspire confidence. It does for me  v Now who is trolling? 
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May 28, 2014 19:40
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Marketing New Brain posted:Are we talking about for the same price? Because Smith's agent is dreaming, he's going to get 12-14 per year, no one will give him more than that unless he wins MVP next year. At 12 million I would think it is pretty close and might take Alex due to durability. There was also no way the 49ers were getting more than a fourth for Alex Smith. What I'm saying is I fully expect KC to end up giving him at least 16 million a year, I'm just hoping they keep it close to that. Kalli posted:All I want to say is Alex Smith and McCown combined to lead offenses that dropped over 40 points each on Washington last year. Alex lead the special teams more than the defense to those points against Washington. No one saw that game because everyone was watching the Philly/Detroit snow bowl but it was one of the more amazingly terrible special teams displays I've ever seen, even by Washington's standards.
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