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Asimo posted:Honestly, the ground gear tends to be a lot better buy than the space lobi gear. You can get costume unlocks from the armor, and the weapons are all pretty good and have unique gimmicks. And you can just toss them on a bridge officer if you have regrets. The costume unlocks are only per character right? All the outfit boxes that have a description on the STO wiki seem to indicate its only an unlock for the character that opens it, which is kind of a bummer.
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LordCo posted:The Kurland one is perfect. Two spots left... Please spay or neuter your Caitian. Butts died for your autism.
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Melchior posted:The costume unlocks are only per character right? All the outfit boxes that have a description on the STO wiki seem to indicate its only an unlock for the character that opens it, which is kind of a bummer. 
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On the forums was a "how much do you spend on STO?" thread and the OP had legacy pack, lifetime sub, the big ship bundles, and was spending twenty bucks every two weeks. I don't think there's that much poo poo to buy in this game. Even casual end game playing will see you having dil and marks and EC just thrown at you. What the hell are these people spending their time on this game they spend thousands of dollars a year on?
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May 30, 2014 19:58
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Berke Negri posted:On the forums was a "how much do you spend on STO?" thread and the OP had legacy pack, lifetime sub, the big ship bundles, and was spending twenty bucks every two weeks. Cash > Zen > keys > lockbox gambling > misery
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May 30, 2014 20:09
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There's definitely thousands of dollars worth of crap to buy in the c-store, but I think a lot of the spending, historically, was people fueling fleet holding progression with their wallets.
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Aleth posted:Cash > Zen > keys > lockbox gambling > misery
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Spending real money to assuage the RNG gods is definitely signs of mental illness. What are the actual odds of unlocking an undine ship?
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Berke Negri posted:Spending real money to assuage the RNG gods is definitely signs of mental illness. What are the actual odds of unlocking an undine ship? 100% if you spend 250 keys.
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Mondian posted:100% if you spend 250 keys.  But yeah, the odds for a ship are around 1/250. Cryptic's never published the odds of course (which is part of why it's skeevy as poo poo, since most real casinos legally have to...) but there's been enough boxes opened up now that it's pretty public knowledge. (The ships aren't even the rarest thing... trait boxes are almost as rare, so trying to get an individual trait is quite a bit more unlikely.)
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I've spent well over $1000 in zen on this game. Paid actual money for like $20 of it though. I'm very thankful for all the sperg-lords starting their own little fleets.
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May 30, 2014 20:30
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You spent $980 of "fake" money? 
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May 30, 2014 20:42
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I have spent somewhere over 30k zen in this game, all of it purchased with dilithium. It's not that unusual; 3x more than I've spent is a reasonable figure because I am lazy.
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Mondian posted:You guys are adorable. Brought to you by Mondian. That is all.
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Mondian posted:100% if you spend 250 keys. That's not how probability works.
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Morglon posted:That's not how probability works. 
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Due to a confluence of having less time for video games because of kids and making decent money, I find myself actually spending money on zen occasionally. I used to be a cheap bastard who would never even think of doing such a thing, but the time/money ratio tends to work out in favor of me just purchasing the new cool doodad that came out if I want it. I don't keep a sub, so I don't feel bad throwing in ~$20 every 2 or 3 months to purchase a ship or something after the big season updates. I also feel the quality of the recent content justifies throwing them a little cash so that they can keep the game going. I also appreciate that they don't try to extort you into subbing by locking you out of content or whatever bullshit other crappy F2P games try to pull (I'm looking at you, SW:TOR). Hakarne fucked around with this message at 21:41 on May 30, 2014 |
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Morglon posted:That's not how probability works. Let them dream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqrhZW9xIrY Also give Bijor - Part 2 all your 5's please. (It's in foundry review content) Acer Pilot fucked around with this message at 21:49 on May 30, 2014 |
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May 30, 2014 21:38
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Morglon posted:That's not how probability works. Its not, but it is how the internal counter that guarantees you a ship after not getting one after opening 250 of a particular kind of lockbox works.
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Hakarne posted:and I also appreciate that they don't try to extort you into subbing by locking you out of content or whatever bullshit other crappy F2P games try to pull (I'm looking at you, SW:TOR). Agreed on that! I was subbed back before this game was F2P, and I honestly don't remember what privileges that granted me over what I get out of the game today; with all the new content/QoL stuff they've patched in since release, the game is objectively less frustrating now than when I was paying for it. I think the idea of people spending thousands on lockboxes is literally insane but if it compensates for me not paying anything for it, then I'm all for it I guess. Plus, people selling poo poo they don't want on the exchange just makes it even easier for me to not spend any real money on it.
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I hear spending $600 is a sure-fire way to get a ship.
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FuturePastNow posted:I hear spending $600 is a sure-fire way to get a ship. well if not you at least get a great sto forum thread about it
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Mondian posted:Its not, but it is how the internal counter that guarantees you a ship after not getting one after opening 250 of a particular kind of lockbox works. i hope this is true because the idea of a table in their backend full of an incrementing count of every type of lockbox and how many you've opened, that turns a magic jackpot switch when you get to 251, just fills me with lols
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300 Earth Dollars posted:i hope this is true because the idea of a table in their backend full of an incrementing count of every type of lockbox and how many you've opened, that turns a magic jackpot switch when you get to 251, just fills me with lols You get a token for every lockbox you open and don't get a ship. When you have... I think it was 130? Maybe 150. Anyway, past that number of tokens, your chance to get a ship multiplies by 10. If you somehow get 250 tokens, the next box should be a ship. Tokens are cleared when you get a ship. This does not apply to specials, like bugships. Those are flat percentages with no guarantees.
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Its also tracked separately for each type of lockbox. So you can't unsuccessfully open 249 Ferengi boxes and then expect a Galor on your first Cardassian box, etc.
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If arguably criminal whaling is what it takes to get us a Cardassian faction for free to come out, then I guess that is just the price pubbies will have to pay.
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It's a testament to how non-transparent all the mechanics of this game are when I have no idea whether or not you guys are just taking the piss or not. I mean on the one hand it would take a shitload of boxes to figure out and it's a really stupid system but on the other hand I know that some of you have enough in-game riches to basically buy the game twice over and still have money left and Cryptic isn't exactly known for their brilliant design decisions.
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Preechr posted:You get a token for every lockbox you open and don't get a ship. When you have... I think it was 130? Maybe 150. Anyway, past that number of tokens, your chance to get a ship multiplies by 10. If you somehow get 250 tokens, the next box should be a ship. Tokens are cleared when you get a ship. Mr Wikstroem posted:It's a testament to how non-transparent all the mechanics of this game are when I have no idea whether or not you guys are just taking the piss or not. I mean on the one hand it would take a shitload of boxes to figure out and it's a really stupid system but on the other hand I know that some of you have enough in-game riches to basically buy the game twice over and still have money left and Cryptic isn't exactly known for their brilliant design decisions. The quote from Preechr is actually how it works. Its by type of lockbox so you if you want a galor from boxes you have to open cardassian boxes only.
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So that means that there are technically MORE currencies in the game, these are just invisible to the player. 
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Burning_Monk posted:So that means that there are technically MORE currencies in the game, these are just invisible to the player. yep, lolin. i love STO, it's just such an amazing amalgam of 'good f2p mmo' and 'woah this is hosed up'
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Cryptic are basically the idiot savants of MMO design.
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Midge@RF-Midge posting for access to the ingame channel
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Burning_Monk posted:I went with the Dyson Weapon three piece and it's pretty drat good. The cannon is fun and deals decent damage, the torp is without a doubt the best thing you can use and the console is a nice buff to the torp. Set bonuses give you a little more survivability. I thought about going FAW but decided on HYT and I've been crushing ships left and right with it. I've been bouncing between FAW and Torp Spread on this setup. I think I like the torp skill better than FAW simply because you only have one beam that's FAWing and it's not enough.
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Mogomra posted:You spent $980 of "fake" money? Oh it's real money just paid for by some other sperglord. That's a conservative estimate as well since I can't really track how many keys I've sold. I dropped 12500 zen on the legacy pack just last weekend actually to grab the Romulan ships I didn't have already and the boff/doffs. I was also one of those guys who bought the 9-pack of Dyson ships. I've got alts, contra and an unhealthy addiction to account unlocks. Lagomorphic fucked around with this message at 01:54 on May 31, 2014 |
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If it isn't your money who cares? I would do the same thing long term as well.
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Midgetman posted:Midge@RF-Midge posting for access to the ingame channel You're in, have fun.
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You know... The old low-poly scimitar was nicer looking. Way more romulan. Smoother. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:49 on May 31, 2014 |
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In fairness, the latter is more accurate to the movie. Specifically, an ugly over-engineered piece of poo poo.  It amazes me how the other Romulan ships from Nemesis (notably the Mogai/Valdore) actually came out looking great but the Scim is... that.
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Asimo posted:In fairness, the latter is more accurate to the movie. Specifically, an ugly over-engineered piece of poo poo. True but it totally makes sense the Romulans would clean up the design when adapting it to mainstream use. I mean the original was a secretly jammed together one-off made by non-Romulan rebels, of course it looks like poo poo. (I mean really it makes zero sense that they put the design into production at all, but gotta have every canon design in STO!) Hell, when I saw the original low-poly one I thought that was the approach they'd taken. I just kinda wish that one of the three variations had been along those lines, since they went to the effort of making three. Instead, speed holes. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:18 on May 31, 2014 |
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