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Why not just put a helicopter blade on a fighter plane Where's my cheque ministry of defence
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:09 |
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# ? Jun 12, 2024 13:56 |
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How about two? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYeLishJ_Js Maybe the F-35 is revenge for us selling them a ship that dissolves in water.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:11 |
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webmeister posted:That's not at all what I was suggesting. But given a choice between "money to the arts" and "not cutting welfare", I know which one I'd prefer. I mean I know you know that this is a false dilemma but do you know that I know that you know that this is a false dilemma? Ragingsheep posted:My implication was that they're willing to throw $1m at a mate's hobby but aren't willing to fund other more important things. $1m is literally nothing in the context of the federal budget, there are many many other pet projects that are costing far more and are far less worthy than ballet (chaplains, roads, F-35, direct action,)
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:13 |
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Chris Pynes Knob posted:Why not just put a helicopter blade on a fighter plane Clive's plan is to buy the Newcastle Knights off Tinkler and give them Teradactyls to ride.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:15 |
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It's not the ballet funding itself that's the issue, it's the political motivation behind specifically funding it while other arts programs are being massively cut. I mean, yes, it's better than no arts funding at all, but we don't want to really encourage the government to start deciding arts funding by who the PM owes favours
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:16 |
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Not to mention that the Australian Ballet is like the least-needy arts corporation in the bloody country.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:19 |
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Quantum Mechanic posted:It's not the ballet funding itself that's the issue, it's the political motivation behind specifically funding it while other arts programs are being massively cut. I did already say that I agree with it being a skeezy move. What I'm also saying is that a lot of the arguments being ostensibly made against it are really shite and could ultimately result in more harm rather than less
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:20 |
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Fruity Gordo posted:Not to mention that the Australian Ballet is like the least-needy arts corporation in the bloody country. Like this one. How do you think most tories will respond to this argument? They will say "right, better take a whole chunk of money away from ballet if it is so well-off anyway".
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:22 |
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GhostWhoVotes @GhostWhoVotes 39s #Essential Poll ALP blocking the Budget & forcing new election: Support 47 Oppose 40 #auspol
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:24 |
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Jonah Galtberg posted:Like this one. How do you think most tories will respond to this argument? They will say "right, better take a whole chunk of money away from ballet if it is so well-off anyway". Except the reason why it is so well-funded in the first place is that Tories already love it and regard it as a legitimate national institution, which it is. The Australian Ballet is not at any risk of cuts. Fruity Gordo fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Jun 3, 2014 |
# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:31 |
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Shadeoses posted:Oh, god, I hadn't realised we were getting the B version. We're buying the Alpha, that article is a speculative piece about flying the Bravo from our assault ships. Which is fine if the bloody thing didn't melt http://youtu.be/t0jgZKV4N_A The Alpha mostly works aside from the usual 'pilot dies of asphyxiation' flaw, while the Naval Charlie has a slight issue with the wings catching fire. It's the Bravo that's a clusterfuck, all from the VSTOL systems
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:31 |
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Jonah Galtberg posted:Whoa thanks I had no idea of these things, thanks for the headsup guy with a fusion-related username. I'll be sure to keep them in mind for future debates. CSP isn't (years, not decades), but technologies that rely less on heavy/rare-earths certainly are (Dyes, Organic, Non Cadmium Quantum Dots). Which is kind of important if you are concerned about the impact mineral resources. I think building CSP plants with electro-static cleaning cycles is a worthy endeavour. Its not exactly like I think renewables have shot my dog. Renewables are just as interesting to science nerds as nuclear. I just don't think its good to sugar coat that renewable's aren't a mineral intensive industry; poo poo doesn't grow on trees (yet!). quote:Secondly, yes it is a good reason to rubbish further development. By the time thorium is viable we'll either be completely and irreversibly hosed or we'll have already switched to a combination of renewables alongside a reduced and sustainable consumption of energy. Fundamental research isn't important. Thanks for the heads up. I find the dogmatism in parts of the Green movement with regards to scientific research a little troubling. I never said thorium is going to stop climate change, it is useful to understand the industrial applications of nuclear isotopes. It benefits no-one to remain ignorant over whole branches of physics. Jonah Galtberg posted:I mean I know you know that this is a false dilemma but do you know that I know that you know that this is a false dilemma?
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:33 |
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What happens if bravo tries to land in a dirt field
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:33 |
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Hypation posted:Because you cannot make a conclusion as to their preference one way or another. They may have a preference but also simply refused to comment. For whatever reason it is like they were never polled. The fact you cannot determine what their preferences are is precisely why they should be included. If you don't, you're assuming they're exactly the same as the average respondent, which is clearly not the case (Labor and Greens voters are much more likely to be Undecided, for example). It's specious to say that 39% of voters support Turnbull.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:34 |
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Ler posted:GhostWhoVotes @GhostWhoVotes 39s This would be ironic: In order for this to succeed the ALP must recognise that it was appropriate for Whitlam to be dismissed by the Governor General. Otherwise the plan fails because there is nothing compelling Abbott to resign or call a double dissolution election. (And Abbott is not going to do that south of a 60% TPP result.) These days constitutional crises are managed/avoided by a change in the leadership.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:34 |
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Bunch of disturbing stuff in Crikey today. There's a bit on how Bolt is apparently setting the Libs agenda, I think we can just chalk that up to our conservatives aping whatever commentariat/policy structure the US teapartiers set up, with predictable results. They aren't even examining why it isn't working, just copying it. Ever notice that its the really dumb people who spout right-wing views? The smart ones do this nudge-wink routine but its the nongs who come out with hilarious stuff like "working weeks are a left-wing construct" hahahaha, what idiots. That's how Bolt works, getting fools to actually build policy joke routines for him. Anyway, here's a thing on another right-wing culture war, indoctrinating children with a religion noone gives a gently caress about : Cathy Alexander posted:Jesus is coming -- to your local primary school Even nongs should be able to grasp the implication of those graphs, but I'll spell it out anyway: some arseholes don't like that kids in public schools are spared from jesus freaks very very much. It goes beyond the assumption that many private schools have a specifically Christian component in the curriculum alone and the proportion of public to private school population. And the focus is getting their mitts on young minds that have no protection against evil bullshit. Scripture Union in particular are evil clones from their US evangelist counterparts who funnel all kinds of US religious propaganda into Australia. Your kids will come home with stuff that will amaze you, all in the service of those who cannot stand that someone somewhere might be thinking differently.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:34 |
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quote:Greens will use Senate powers to release government modelling on university cuts
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:34 |
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Chris Pynes Knob posted:What happens if bravo tries to land in a dirt field The jetwash blows it all away, leaving a massive hole*... poo poo, I see their plan. Park it over minerals, try to 'land', and now you have an opencut mine *Actually not sure, but all the material I've seen suggests laying a reinforced landing pad is the standard, maybe it can't use regular albeit compressed dirt like Harriers could
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:38 |
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Tokamak posted:CSP isn't (years, not decades), but technologies that rely less on heavy/rare-earths certainly are (Dyes, Organic, Non Cadmium Quantum Dots). Which is kind of important if you are concerned about the impact mineral resources. I think building CSP plants with electro-static cleaning cycles is a worthy endeavour. Nobody's sugarcoating anything, I'm very aware of the impacts of rare earth mining especially in countries like China that are lacking in even the most vestigial of mining regulations. My position is simply that the damage caused by the solar energy production line is a more necessary evil than the damage caused by mining of thorium and uranium. (no I am not saying that the situation in China is remotely acceptable) Tokamak posted:Fundamental research isn't important. Thanks for the heads up. I find the dogmatism in parts of the Green movement with regards to scientific research a little troubling. I never said thorium is going to stop climate change, it is useful to understand the industrial applications of nuclear isotopes. It benefits no-one to remain ignorant over whole branches of physics. This is classic goalpost shifting, I was under the impression that we were discussing the research and development of thorium as pertains to commercialising it as a power source. Fundamental isotope research is a completely different story since that can have a whole range of benefits in other fields.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:49 |
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Paingod556 posted:We're buying the Alpha, that article is a speculative piece about flying the Bravo from our assault ships. Which is fine if the bloody thing didn't melt I think this all came up because Tony was throwing around the idea to use the F-35 on some of our ships that were being converted to mini carriers. This would have required us to change our order from the -A to the -B, buy bigger ships that could actually carry them and then convert those with the special surface coating. Altogether a gigantic waste of money on an ill-considered whim. So expect it next budget.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 08:55 |
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Fruity Gordo posted:Except the reason why it is so well-funded in the first place is that Tories already love it and regard it as a legitimate national institution, which it is. The Australian Ballet is not at any risk of cuts. I agree. You find cuts in more popular forms of 'art' eg sport (eg Football) as well as the second and third tiers. The key issue is whether your cuts in the lower tiers break the top tier by making them unable to build the necessary talent. Speaking of sport, if gender diversity is so important, why isn't the sport anti-syphoning list subject to gender equality provisions? Like maybe you've got to show 12 minutes of women's sport per hour of men's sport on the list?
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:08 |
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Hypation posted:This would be ironic: Blocking the budget measures is different to blocking supply though isn't it?
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:11 |
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Hypation posted:This would be ironic: You are literally the dumbest loving poster. This has nothing to do with whitlam/kerr and you would have to be functionally braindead to think it did.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:16 |
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Quit living in the past! The troll has a new shiny post to be outraged by!
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:18 |
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Reuters is reporting that China is set to announce an absolute cap on CO2 emissions from 2016. Combined with the 30% emission reduction target Obama has announced for the US we are going to be so hopelessly far behind by the time this clown gets voted out.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:18 |
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Not a Carbon Tax therefore
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:20 |
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Senor Tron posted:Blocking the budget measures is different to blocking supply though isn't it? Yes, but the question asked was "blocking the budget and triggering a new election." That would inherently mean blocking supply, because there's no other path that would result in a DD because there's no way in hell that Abbott's going to call one.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:21 |
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adamantium|wang posted:I think this all came up because Tony was throwing around the idea to use the F-35 on some of our ships that were being converted to mini carriers. This would have required us to change our order from the -A to the -B, buy bigger ships that could actually carry them and then convert those with the special surface coating. Altogether a gigantic waste of money on an ill-considered whim. What the gently caress is Australia doing with Force Projection. Why do we need carriers? Next thing we will be getting nuke boats (as in the subs not missiles). ewe2 posted:Bunch of disturbing stuff in Crikey today. There's a bit on how Bolt is apparently setting the Libs agenda, Nope. Bolt is a dickhead who speaks to the far right of the party. That part is cut off from the donor base and swinging voters - except swingers in Central-Western Sydney, which is the same votes the ALP needs. Oh crap we're hosed. ewe2 posted:Anyway, here's a thing on another right-wing culture war, indoctrinating children with a religion noone gives a gently caress about : +1 for Separation of Church and State please. Next thing they'll be teaching "Of Pandas and People".
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:22 |
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adamantium|wang posted:Reuters is reporting that China is set to announce an absolute cap on CO2 emissions from 2016. Combined with the 30% emission reduction target Obama has announced for the US we are going to be so hopelessly far behind by the time this clown gets voted out. But, but, until the big polluters like China and India start doing THEIR bit, Australia shouldn't have to do anything!
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:23 |
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Hypation posted:Nope. Bolt is a dickhead who speaks to the far right of the party. That part is cut off from the donor base and swinging voters - except swingers in Central-Western Sydney, which is the same votes the ALP needs. Oh crap we're hosed.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:24 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Aside from the push to repeal 18C, which is fairly obviously tied to Bolt. Any reasonable definition of the far right of the party would also include most of the cabinet.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:26 |
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adamantium|wang posted:Reuters is reporting that China is set to announce an absolute cap on CO2 emissions from 2016. Combined with the 30% emission reduction target Obama has announced for the US we are going to be so hopelessly far behind by the time this clown gets voted out. You never know, we might be lucky enough to get a carbon levy or a carbon copay. They are not taxes because
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:28 |
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Those On My Beet posted:Bad businesses are lazy and only want to compete on costs rather than compete on service or quality or experience. A bit late, but when we do compete on service or quality or experience we still get shafted. We just lost a large BHP contract to a competitor on 10% price differential (good luck to them) - we exceeded our safety targets, recorded low TRIFR rates, came in on time and on budget with a minimum of screw ups. We won awards and got positive feedback. We had experienced guys and frankly one of the best operators in the business. And we still lost to a bunch of guys kicked out of ODO for a bunch of safety violations, who have a shithouse track record on running ontime and on budget. It is a harsh fact, service or quality or experience only really counts when the price is the same, especially in this "Age of the Accountant" where everything is lowest price possible. To think otherwise is delusional, and is a sad reflection on the current state of the mining business.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:29 |
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Senor Tron posted:Blocking the budget measures is different to blocking supply though isn't it? Yes it is. But if that is all you did then you could not achieve this: Ler posted:GhostWhoVotes @GhostWhoVotes 39s There is no way for "force" a new election if all you are doing is blocking the measures. The way to "block the budget" in order to "force a new election" is to block the recurring programs as well as the measures. ie a complete blocking of supply. Essential asked two relevant questions on the subject - see below. The first indicated a preference to block some of the measures. The second indicated support for a complete blocking of supply. quote:Q. Do you think the Labor Opposition should vote to block the whole budget, vote against certain parts of the budget or pass the whole budget? quote:Q. Would you support or oppose the Labor Opposition blocking the budget and forcing a new election? So we have a situation where: Quantum Mechanic posted:Yes, but the question asked was "blocking the budget and triggering a new election." That would inherently mean blocking supply, because there's no other path that would result in a DD because there's no way in hell that Abbott's going to call one.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:35 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Aside from the push to repeal 18C, which is fairly obviously tied to Bolt. Brandis didn't need any encouraging for that. Bolt is just cheering from the sidelines. CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:You never know, we might be lucky enough to get a carbon levy or a carbon copay. They are not taxes because But Tony Abbott has brought in a Carbon Tax: http://www.afr.com/p/national/now_liberals_to_raise_petrol_tax_TXDe6zGdQEFGhoeGIXK6qN Piss-weak carbon tax but still a 1:1 relationship between fuel and carbon equivalent emissions.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:41 |
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For Victoriaquote:Geoff Shaw will support no confidence motion against Napthine government Headline says it all.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:43 |
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Abbott didn't introduce the fuel excise, nor is it a carbon tax.Hypation posted:Brandis didn't need any encouraging for that. Bolt is just cheering from the sidelines.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:47 |
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Lid posted:For Victoria Naptime's called a snap presser for 7pm. Should be interesting.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 09:50 |
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So he has a choice between a vote of contempt in Shaw, which will be a de facto vote of no confidence, or an actual vote of no confidence.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 10:00 |
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Tories trying to force Native Title orgs from holding back royalty payments if student truancy rates don't get better.
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