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hyper from Pixie Sticks
Sep 28, 2004

Sweeping a stake, right here.

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Brovine
Dec 24, 2011

Mooooo?
I'm sweeping with steaks, does that count?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

mrpwase posted:

Is anyone bourgeois enough to watch touring cars or rally? Not quite as bad as F1 and the like :shobon:

Rally is fantastic to watch - you get a nice hike, then get to watch lunatics driving at very high speeds then drink your tea and hike back to wherever you parked. Also sometimes you get to tip a car back onto it's wheels, and it's all free apart from the cost of the thermos of tea.

(Not that it's all gravy as those poor buggers up in Scotland learned at the weekend)

The single best motorsport event in the world is on over in three-legged-land at the minute though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU6LStlITOs

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
We've already got >32 for the charity sweepstake :)

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Euro-socialists are trying to disrupt the workings of our free markets and con our government into raising taxes! Vote UKIP, referendum now!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...Commission.html

quote:

George Osborne’s flagship Help to Buy scheme must be reined in and council tax should be increased to stop house prices getting out of control, the European Commission has said.

...

“The Commission recommends that the UK deploy appropriate measures to respond to the rapid increases in property prices, notably in London, for example by adjusting the Help to Buy 2 scheme and mitigating risks related to high mortgage indebtedness,” the report said.

The Coalition must take “action” to increase housing supply, the report said.

The report warns that rising property prices had not been matched by increases in council tax bands. It said that the owners some of Britain's most expensive properties are now paying relatively less council tax than the owners of cheaper properties.

“At the moment, increasing property values are not translated into higher property taxes as the property value roll has not been updated since 1991 and taxes on higher value property are lower than on lower value property in relative terms due to the regressivity of the current rates and bands within the council tax system,” it said.

Fluo
May 25, 2007


Sports own!










Fluo fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Jun 3, 2014

HortonNash
Oct 10, 2012

Are they helping or hurting him?

The headlock doesn't look very friendly.

I thought grappling round the neck was seriously frowned upon?

Fluo
May 25, 2007

HortonNash posted:

Are they helping or hurting him?

The headlock doesn't look very friendly.

I thought grappling round the neck was seriously frowned upon?

The other team is just helping him down so he doesn't break his neck haha!
But it was an awkward way as he twists* so goes from supporting his shoulders to looks like hes grappling.

*Thought he was going to go back over, but got down from the other side etc.

Fluo fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Jun 3, 2014

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

goddamnedtwisto posted:


The single best motorsport event in the world is on over in three-legged-land at the minute though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU6LStlITOs

I've never actually seen this from the rider's perspective before :eyepop:

That can go on the list of videos to show people who complain about roads on the UK being too narrow

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

Fluo posted:

Sports own!

Ball sports are rubbish, fake combat sports are where it's at



Such dexterity! Such grace! Truly, the noblest of sporting pursuits :allears:

hyper from Pixie Sticks
Sep 28, 2004

goddamnedtwisto posted:

The single best motorsport event in the world is on over in three-legged-land at the minute though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU6LStlITOs

When the wikipedia article for the course has a subsection for fatalities on the parade lap, you know your event is badass.

Fluo
May 25, 2007

Renaissance Robot posted:

Ball sports are rubbish, fake combat sports are where it's at



Such dexterity! Such grace! Truly, the noblest of sporting pursuits :allears:

I couldn't really do this in the park on a nice sunny day though? Accessibility is one of the hallmarks of the great sports!

Fluo fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Jun 3, 2014

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

Fluo posted:

I couldn't really do this in the park on a nice sunny day though? Accessibility is one of the hallmarks of the great sports!

You could if a certain set of someones weren't squatting on the tech for wireless scoring :argh:


It's still pretty dear though, even without the mafia-esque annual insurance payments. I have Incorrect taste in physical activities :(

Serotonin
Jul 14, 2001

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*
Fencing isnt that pricey though is it? You can get beginners kit with pretty much everything you need for around £200. Most clubs will provide all the gear you need when you start out too. Theres a lot of sports out there that are as pricey if not more so. I mean if you look at footy, a nice pair of brand name boots is gonna cost you the best part of £80. A replica footy shirt is best part of £60 too. Most sports have a high-ish buy in price if you want to do it seriously I guess.

I'm awaiting mockery for admitting to fencing. It owned, we were a bunch of useless beginners at an old Polytechnic who would go around competing against ex public school toffs and Naval officers, and not taking it very seriously at all.

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house

Seaside Loafer posted:

Would you say rugby or am-football is more dangerous? imo i wouldnt do either, i played rugby when i was a kid, being tackled by another kid was fine, but an 18 stone brick poo poo house is very different.

You dont seem to hear many stories of rugby players going senile, whereas the front line guys im am-football seem to get hosed up all the time?

Not challenging just interested.

Honestly? American Football is way the gently caress more dangerous. It's all down to the risk assessment people do when they've got a poo poo ton of protection. Kind of like how boxing became far, far more dangerous when gloves were made mandatory, American football fucks people up bad. In Rugby, if you tackle someone, there's minimal protection so you kind of have to hold back to not actually hurt yourself aswell. In American football, anything goes because you're literally a walking tank. People get hit harder, act more aggressively, and can do some serious damage.

thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo
Thanks for showing my Penguins getting scored on Fluo :argh:

I'm going to start Curling with the wife now we've moved to Scotland. Anybody done it?

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
The first stage of the recovery is now complete: house prices have surpassed the 2007 peak in nominal terms. On to stage two, where they exceed it in real terms!

http://www.nationwide.co.uk/~/media/MainSite/documents/about/house-price-index/May_2014.pdf

kim jong-illin
May 2, 2011

Ddraig posted:

Honestly? American Football is way the gently caress more dangerous. It's all down to the risk assessment people do when they've got a poo poo ton of protection. Kind of like how boxing became far, far more dangerous when gloves were made mandatory, American football fucks people up bad. In Rugby, if you tackle someone, there's minimal protection so you kind of have to hold back to not actually hurt yourself aswell. In American football, anything goes because you're literally a walking tank. People get hit harder, act more aggressively, and can do some serious damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Z0aKAkTk0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV_K5foPGqk

Rugby union is the best sport.

thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo
I find the "pah, you wear padding, that's for pussies!" kind of annoying as well. It's for safety reasons, and it's a protection of investment, and the like. Also using language like that is kind of a gender-insult, isn't it?

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

Ddraig posted:

Honestly? American Football is way the gently caress more dangerous. It's all down to the risk assessment people do when they've got a poo poo ton of protection. Kind of like how boxing became far, far more dangerous when gloves were made mandatory, American football fucks people up bad. In Rugby, if you tackle someone, there's minimal protection so you kind of have to hold back to not actually hurt yourself aswell. In American football, anything goes because you're literally a walking tank. People get hit harder, act more aggressively, and can do some serious damage.

The real difference in danger is it's illegal to high tackle in Rugby and you only really go for the person with the ball so there's a lot less impact in general. There's scrums and ruck sure, but those aren't nearly as bad as they look unless someone's being an rear end in a top hat and stamping the guy on the ground.

If you could high tackle in Rugby it'd be absolutely lethal.

Fans fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Jun 3, 2014

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house
I honestly think safety is a secondary concern for most. I mean, it truly would be a lot safer than it is now if padding wasn't obligatory (you may get more visible injuries, but real serious poo poo would be cut down)

As it stands, people demand more contact and more aggression because frankly it makes for a better spectator sport if you have huge men hitting each other like an impact with a brick wall. George Carlin did a bit about the differences between Baseball and Football and how Football is considered much more aggressive and warlike than the former even down to the language that is used.

^^^^

In American Football there's really very few rules about what constitutes a dangerous tackle. I guess the biggest thing is leading with the helmet (and this was only really recently challenged, IIRC) or tackling towards the head.

So yeah, I guess high tackles being verboten makes Rugby safer, but I think that is partly down to the idea that it's obvious such a tackle with little to no protection is a bad idea, but in American Football you don't have that perception since people are tanks and they're not strictly aiming for the head, so that's ok, right fellas?

Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Jun 3, 2014

Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Ddraig posted:

So yeah, I guess high tackles being verboten makes Rugby safer, but I think that is partly down to the idea that it's obvious such a tackle with little to no protection is a bad idea, but in American Football you don't have that perception since people are tanks and they're not strictly aiming for the head, so that's ok, right fellas?
What consitutes a 'high tackle'? When I was a nipper before starting to get man'ish the PE teacher would encourage us to do head on tackles, not with the head i mean but you sort of ran straight into them, head around the armpit area and arm around the waist, so he ends up his back and you on top. That goes back to my other point, it didnt hurt a bit when we were ikcle kids, but 2 huge dudes must really hurt both of them right? Maybe they dont do head on's in pro rugby anymore?

Bozza
Mar 5, 2004

"I'm a really useful engine!"

Seaside Loafer posted:

What consitutes a 'high tackle'? When I was a nipper before starting to get man'ish the PE teacher would encourage us to do head on tackles, not with the head i mean but you sort of ran straight into them, head around the armpit area and arm around the waist, so he ends up his back and you on top. That goes back to my other point, it didnt hurt a bit when we were ikcle kids, but 2 huge dudes must really hurt both of them right? Maybe they dont do head on's in pro rugby anymore?

I'm no expert, but that sounds like a correct tackle technique - high tackle means getting your opponent round the neck or head.

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

Seaside Loafer posted:

What constitutes a 'high tackle'?

Anything above the shoulders though this is crazy strict and harshly punished even if accidental so Rugby tackles are a lot lower. They've also got to be tackles, if you're not getting your arm around them it's going to get a penalty, shoulder charges and spear tackles especially aren't on.

Not saying Rugby is super safe, but there's a lot of effort gone into really stamping down on the worst stuff like Spear tackles and clotheslines.

HortonNash
Oct 10, 2012

Serotonin posted:

Fencing isnt that pricey though is it? You can get beginners kit with pretty much everything you need for around £200. Most clubs will provide all the gear you need when you start out too. Theres a lot of sports out there that are as pricey if not more so. I mean if you look at footy, a nice pair of brand name boots is gonna cost you the best part of £80. A replica footy shirt is best part of £60 too. Most sports have a high-ish buy in price if you want to do it seriously I guess.

I'm awaiting mockery for admitting to fencing. It owned, we were a bunch of useless beginners at an old Polytechnic who would go around competing against ex public school toffs and Naval officers, and not taking it very seriously at all.

I fenced at school, and enjoyed it immensely. Also had a similar experience of beating public school boys in competition.

Did get absolutely thrashed by Bruce Dickinson once though.

kapparomeo
Apr 19, 2011

Some say his extreme-right links are clearly known, even in the fascist capitalist imperialist Murdochist press...

thehustler posted:

Thanks for showing my Penguins getting scored on Fluo :argh:

I'm going to start Curling with the wife now we've moved to Scotland. Anybody done it?

I do it fairly regularly. "Lawn bowls on ice" is a reasonably accurate analogy but curling is quite good fun and pretty easy for beginners to pick up the basic principle although you'll regularly get overshots and stones knocking chunks out of the rink barrier. It's a game of some finesse too as inches matter, and can also be quite a thrilling game of turnabout - one knock of the closest stone away from the pin can change the scores completely.

Whitey Snipes
Nov 30, 2004


Visually impressive but it's a pretty safe tackle. Shoulder to chest with a wrap-around, the guy is up immediately. Doesn't really compare to the ridiculous level of helmet-to-helmet, shoulder-to-helmet and flying hits that American Football has.

But like hustler says it's a stupid argument anyway, the two games are superficially similar but not really comparable. Americans don't seem to give a poo poo either, it always seems to be some weird English national identity thing where we have to prove we're 'harder' than the Americans.

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house

HortonNash posted:

I fenced at school, and enjoyed it immensely. Also had a similar experience of beating public school boys in competition.

Did get absolutely thrashed by Bruce Dickinson once though.

I did a bit of fencing as a younger man. Never got to meet Bruce Dickinson, though :(

It was a bit weird because we had fencing for about one year since it became obvious that giving a bunch of rough kids swords, even fencing swords, and letting them at each other was a p. bad idea. It think at the end there was about four people left, everyone else was banned.

The toffs let us have their sport for one year and we really done hosed it up. Was fun while it lasted, though.

Plasmafountain
Jun 17, 2008

LemonDrizzle posted:

The first stage of the recovery is now complete: house prices have surpassed the 2007 peak in nominal terms. On to stage two, where they exceed it in real terms!

http://www.nationwide.co.uk/~/media/MainSite/documents/about/house-price-index/May_2014.pdf

I think that bet of ours looks likely to come to fruition :smith:

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy
Put me down for the sweepstake, I can't do the form on my phone.

Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


HortonNash posted:

I fenced at school, and enjoyed it immensely. Also had a similar experience of beating public school boys in competition.

Did get absolutely thrashed by Bruce Dickinson once though.

I've fenced off and on for about 20+ years now, captained my school and my local club. Sabre all the way! Had an 87 year old Hungarian professor of fencing as my first coach; I don't think I actually fought a bout the entire first term that I did fencing during games. Frankly I'm amazed I stuck with it, but basic fundamentals have served me well.

Now I train people in fighting with LARP equipment at a school in Hackney as a side job- which frankly loving rules. Though I did break my shoulder during an event over the bank holiday.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

That's not a hard hit.

This is a hard hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y07yt87lhEA&t=22s

(130 mph into a dry-stone wall, fractured pelvis, arm, two vertebra, dislocated knee and collapsed lung - crazy fucker was racing by the next season)

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

LemonDrizzle posted:

The first stage of the recovery is now complete: house prices have surpassed the 2007 peak in nominal terms. On to stage two, where they exceed it in real terms!

http://www.nationwide.co.uk/~/media/MainSite/documents/about/house-price-index/May_2014.pdf

Funnily enough, the government got some good advice today which it'll completely ignore:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jun/02/mortgage-approvals-fall-affordability-tests-housebuyers

quote:

Britain needs to reform its council tax system, build more houses and make changes to the Help to Buy scheme to stop the property boom getting out of control, the European commission has warned.

SybilVimes
Oct 29, 2011

coffeetable posted:

Funnily enough, the government got some good advice today which it'll completely ignore:


They'll probably just make racist remarks about the author, like when the UN told us essentially the same.

Serotonin
Jul 14, 2001

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

thehustler posted:

I find the "pah, you wear padding, that's for pussies!" kind of annoying as well. It's for safety reasons, and it's a protection of investment, and the like. Also using language like that is kind of a gender-insult, isn't it?

Apparently not. Pussy as in being cowardly or indecisive is very old term, contraction of pussy footing which apparently is from the word pusillanimous meaning showing a lack of Courage. It was also used in the context of playing pussy during the war to mean cautiously stalking an opponent using cloud cover. Iirc the reference to vagina is later.

HortonNash
Oct 10, 2012
Is there a good reason not to move council tax to a straight up percentage of property value, re-evaluated at some regular interval, rather than the current banding system?

Andre Le Fuckface
Oct 4, 2008

:pwm:

HortonNash posted:

Is there a good reason not to move council tax to a straight up percentage of property value, re-evaluated at some regular interval, rather than the current banding system?

The costs would probably be really high

JoylessJester
Sep 13, 2012

I guess it's because that would discourage people from seeing houses as an investment and slow the rise in prices,so no good reason not too.

In for the sweepstake.

HortonNash
Oct 10, 2012

Andre Le Fuckface posted:

The costs would probably be really high

You could do self-valuations with a form, randomly verify samples and really hammer fraud ("your property will be forfeited if you try to dodge"-type penalties).

Would certainly make people buy houses that they need, rather than staying in that house in Dulwich that they bought in '56 for £3 8s 6d that's now worth £6m that your kids are salivating over and banking on inheriting.

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CancerCakes
Jan 10, 2006

HortonNash posted:

You could do self-valuations with a form, randomly verify samples and really hammer fraud ("your property will be forfeited if you try to dodge"-type penalties).

Would certainly make people buy houses that they need, rather than staying in that house in Dulwich that they bought in '56 for £3 8s 6d that's now worth £6m that your kids are salivating over and banking on inheriting.

Property confiscation is a bit of a leftist wet dream and unlikely to happen. All you have to do is incentivise people getting their properties reassessed. The way the system works is that if someone on your street gets assessed up then it is likely you will too.

I was thinking give people a major stamp duty rebate when they get their OLD house reassessed for council tax.

Another problem is that the banding is too limited, and hasn't (I don't think) risen with inflation. Eventually it will become a flat charge, as everyone will be in the highest band, despite the market comparitive value of their house.

I can't think of a single thing to do with housing and property that isn't completely hosed up in the UK.

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