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Invision, buy my Ninjer so I can get a Triumph, OK?
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Lynza posted:Invision, buy my Ninjer so I can get a Triumph, OK? I'll trade you a wrecked SV in Texas for a striple?
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Jun 2, 2014 20:58
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M42 posted:I'll put that on the list! They're pretty rare here, but yeah, they seem surprisingly cheap. There was a ton in the Bay, loved seeing em around cause they're awesome looking. There is a Honda Hawk GT sitting at RnR cycles, the owner is moving to Austria and I believe is trying to sell it. Go grab it.
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Jun 2, 2014 21:14
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Nah, like I said I'll probably be buying in a year or two, not right away.
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Jun 2, 2014 21:16
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M42 posted:Nah, like I said I'll probably be buying in a year or two, not right away. Aw cmon we need something to argue about.
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Jun 2, 2014 21:18
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captainOrbital posted:This was probably a typo, but I like the idea of Brits using "niff" as a slang word. If you're doing a British accent as an American you have to get the words "wanker" and "bollocks" in there too. For some reason an american saying either of those words is instantly hilarious.
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Jun 2, 2014 21:19
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nsaP posted:Aw cmon we need something to argue about. You guys seem to be doing pretty well so far! 
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Jun 2, 2014 21:21
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invision posted:Fetishizing a lovely bike doesn't make it good. It's a lovely 650 twin from 1990. Crying over someone insulting a Hawk GT is like getting mad because someone insulted your ford escort. Well the Hawk's also have the ground clearance of a wheelchair, but I do like them, the single sided swing arms and the VFR wheels made them look cool. Originally they were sort of released as girlfriend bikes iirc.
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Jun 2, 2014 21:27
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M42 posted:Nah, like I said I'll probably be buying in a year or two, not right away. Good, apparently I'm not the only one spending mental energy on what the PERFECT NEXT BIKE is years away from actually buying said bike. I've had my cycle license for over ten years now, but most of my time has been spent commuting and it was eye opening just how far behind skill wise I am heading into the mountains here in the Bay Area for the first time. If I can't even hit the limits of my Ninja 500, how the hell can I justify buying a new bike? If my 500 wasn't such a rattly piece of garbage that'd probably help, I think.
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Good, apparently I'm not the only one spending mental energy on what the PERFECT NEXT BIKE is years away from actually buying said bike. Nope, definitely not. DEUCE SLUICE posted:If I can't even hit the limits of my Ninja 500, how the hell can I justify buying a new bike? That, by the way, is crazy talk.
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Jun 2, 2014 22:29
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I just want something with fuel injection, ABS, good suspension, a little more comfortable seating position and an engine that doesn't sound like I'm at risk of taking a blown piston to the nards. Is that so much to ask?
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Jun 2, 2014 23:00
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Horizontally opposed BMW. Take a piston to the ankles instead.
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Jun 2, 2014 23:03
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Jesus ease up on the Hawk GT. They aren't a bad bike and, honestly, I'd take one of those over a carby SV. I can't speak for pricing over there but over here if you tried to get an injected SV650 for Hawk 650 money you'd be buying a crashed one.
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Jun 2, 2014 23:38
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Slavvy posted:Jesus ease up on the Hawk GT. They aren't a bad bike and, honestly, I'd take one of those over a carby SV. I can't speak for pricing over there but over here if you tried to get an injected SV650 for Hawk 650 money you'd be buying a crashed one. I got a race prepped, good condition, low mileage SV for 2500. Buying in the off-season and looking multiple times a day for a good listing to pop up are key.
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Jun 3, 2014 00:35
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Good, apparently I'm not the only one spending mental energy on what the PERFECT NEXT BIKE is years away from actually buying said bike. You can justify it pretty easy honestly. Zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom.
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Jun 3, 2014 00:43
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Hawk GTs are pretty awesome bikes, especially for small people. Feels smaller than an SV. There's also mad mods you can do to them if you wanna go fast. Bunch of people race 'em in our vintage club and they're ridic fast yo. But they're old enough that you gotta be careful you don't buy a lemon that needs a lot of parts replaced.
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Jun 3, 2014 01:09
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invision posted:e2:If you're scraping pegs going ~35~ on those turns then you need to learn how to ride a motorcycle properly and safely. Can you explain what I'm doing incorrectly? I'm not scraping the ground on every turn, but some of them are banked hairpins where the road doubles back on itself in about three times its own width, and in those turns the inside peg bottoms out more often than not. This doesn't seem abnormal to me.
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Jun 3, 2014 02:42
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I pegged a TU250 in the MSF BRC but then again that was by a rider who's got all of 8 hours on a bike in a parking lot under his belt.
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Jun 3, 2014 03:39
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Sagebrush posted:Can you explain what I'm doing incorrectly? I'm not scraping the ground on every turn, but some of them are banked hairpins where the road doubles back on itself in about three times its own width, and in those turns the inside peg bottoms out more often than not. This doesn't seem abnormal to me. My understanding is that most instances where the bike seems to run out of clearance are actually due to the soggy suspension compressing from the extra banking of the corner. Kind of like going up a sudden incline, only sideways. My SV would do this a lot and in the end I proved it to myself by maintaining the same lean angle but at different speeds to see if it was suspension or ground clearance at fault. I imagine a bike that old will have very tired suspension and it probably isn't sprung even close to your weight.
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I've had my Ninja 500 for about 7 months now, I bought it in fall though, so actually been riding regularly for 3 or 4 months. Got close to 3k on the bike and I'm finding myself spending hours trawling craigslist looking for my next bike. Current plan is to keep riding and buy this fall, sell Ninja next spring. I commute daily, and usually take shorter rides on the weekends, I live in East TN so don't need to go far to find good roads. I'm looking for pretty much what Sluice is, FI, ABS would be nice but probably won't happen, decent suspension, better lights (ride a lot in dark cause of work), better looks, etc. Sporty standard, faired preferred, but naked is okay, though I don't really like the look of the SV650 frontal area, though it pretty much hits the mark in all other ways. Around 4k is the most I'd like to spend. Ninja 650's seem to be harder to find, and the ones that are around haven't been taken care of. Saw an ad the other day "only needs rear tire and oil change, can't afford it". Way to inspire confidence in your care of the bike. Poor Ninja  Bikes I've been looking at based on internet research: Ninja 650 (09+), SV650 (04+), maybe VFR800 though it's a bit out of my price range. Maybe a F4i, FZ6, or YZF600 though I'm not too sure I want an I4, with all the twisties around here I'd rarely get a chance to wind it out. Any other bikes I'm missing, or am I misinformed about any of the ones I'm looking at? I think one of them is carbed but I forget which.
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Tanbo posted:Bikes I've been looking at based on internet research: Ninja 650 (09+), SV650 (04+), maybe VFR800 though it's a bit out of my price range. Maybe a F4i, FZ6, or YZF600 though I'm not too sure I want an I4, with all the twisties around here I'd rarely get a chance to wind it out. Any other bikes I'm missing, or am I misinformed about any of the ones I'm looking at? I think one of them is carbed but I forget which. Maybe you'd be better off just upgrading the lights on your current bike and riding that a while longer? It seems you're most keen to upgrade to a Ninja 650 or SV650, which will gain you what? 20 hp? Neither bike exactly offers top-tier suspension or jaw-dropping looks. Shopping around for those seems like more hassle than its worth. An F4i, FZ6, or Thundercat would be bigger jumps, sure, but if you're after ABS, I'm guessing you have safety at least partially in mind? Doubling your horsepower after three months of riding doesn't really jive with that. Not that I don't understand where you're coming from - I wanted MOAR POWER than babby's first 250 pretty soon after I learned to wobble through my first turn. FWIW I went from a CBR250 to a gixxer 750 after a year and ~15,000 miles of riding and promptly wadded it, so blah blah blah words of caution, etc. prukinski fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Jun 3, 2014 |
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Back again, this time asking for a friend who wants to start riding - she prefers cruisers and is about my size (small). I don't know poo poo about cruisers except that rebel 250s can suck it. What should she keep an eye out for?
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Jun 3, 2014 15:36
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The Suzuki Boulevard S40 (Savage) is another small cruiser but it's got a 30 odd horsepower 650 instead of the rebel 250's 18.
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Seconding the S40. My wife got it as her first bike and I'm currently learning on it. That thing is really forgiving and comfortable, and it sure turns heads (when it backfires  )
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The M50's a dead reliable V-twin cruiser, little better than the thumpers on the highway, surprisingly light and easy to ride, great low-end torque but revved out by, like 2500 so it's not going to rocket you into a tree. A few of my friends have put tons of miles on Yamaha 650cc cruisers, and they're great bikes as well.
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Just about all cruisers are small person friendly from a seat height perspective. Vstar 650s are pretty much ubiquitous, cheap, tame, and light (for a cruiser) - that would be my first recommendation. The Boulevard S40 has been mentioned. The "S" model is Suzuki's "slim" Boulevard line, which is especially small person friendly. There are 3 models: S40, S50, and S83. The S83 is probably a little crazy for a beginner with its big-bore displacement, and the S40 is a bit of an rear end-pounder on the highway. The S50 could be the goldilocks model for a lot of folks. Might be worth a look. Bent knees to illustrate size:  Honda: Shadow 600s can't get out of their own way. Look at the 750 models. Kawasaki: Vulcan 500s are cool. They run the EX500 p-twin and are pretty zippy.
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 Thanks, everyone, I'll pass the recommendations on.
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Sagebrush posted:Can you explain what I'm doing incorrectly? I'm not scraping the ground on every turn, but some of them are banked hairpins where the road doubles back on itself in about three times its own width, and in those turns the inside peg bottoms out more often than not. This doesn't seem abnormal to me. Yes. Your BP is probably atrocious, and then the second part is that if you're scraping pegs you're riding like an idiot and not leaving yourself room to correct on the street. e:Being "fast" on the street is like being the best looking hooker in town. invision fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jun 3, 2014 |
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invision posted:Yes. Your BP is probably atrocious, and then the second part is that if you're scraping pegs you're riding like an idiot and not leaving yourself room to correct on the street. OK, thanks! VVV join the "being stupid and dangerous and your body position is probably atrocious" club Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Jun 3, 2014 |
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invision posted:Yes. Your BP is probably atrocious, and then the second part is that if you're scraping pegs you're riding like an idiot and not leaving yourself room to correct on the street. I was able to scrape pegs on my SV650 doing around 50km/h on roundabouts.
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I'm considering taking advantage of my company's relocation allowance and buying a vehicle in Europe to bring back to Canada, since the shipping would be covered. I've got some cars in mind, but I'm also thinking about bikes. Trouble is I'm having a hard time coming up with anything made before 1999 that's both rare or unavailable in Canada and also worth owning. All the bikes I lust after or would want to own are from the 2000s. What's older than that and worth having?
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Aprilia RSV mille, Aprilia RS250, Suzuki TL1000R (if you can find one with ohlins fitted) off the top of my head.
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Oh yeah, I don't want a supersport unless I'm just buying to flip it. Insurance would be prohibitively expensive and I'm not personally interested in them. I wouldn't buy to flip without having a confirmed buyer either.
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M42 posted:Back again, this time asking for a friend who wants to start riding - she prefers cruisers and is about my size (small). I don't know poo poo about cruisers except that rebel 250s can suck it. What should she keep an eye out for?
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Linedance posted:Oh yeah, I don't want a supersport unless I'm just buying to flip it. Insurance would be prohibitively expensive and I'm not personally interested in them. I wouldn't buy to flip without having a confirmed buyer either. V2 Tuono or TL1000S then?
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prukinski posted:Maybe you'd be better off just upgrading the lights on your current bike and riding that a while longer? It seems you're most keen to upgrade to a Ninja 650 or SV650, which will gain you what? 20 hp? Neither bike exactly offers top-tier suspension or jaw-dropping looks. Shopping around for those seems like more hassle than its worth. Oh I plan to ride the 500 til the end of the year still, just checking prices mostly, so I can see what's a good deal and what isn't, hoping to get something on the cheap this fall/winter. I am itching for more power though, already did the zip tie mod to the throttle tube to make it a it more responsive. You're right about the 650 not really being enough of a jump to be worth it though, probably be wanting to upgrade yet again within a few months.
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BMW F800R... seems like it's fairly polarizing. I've read it's a great do-everything bike with nice brakes, ABS, lots of good factory options like heated grips, decent adjustable suspension while not being anything outstanding, low center of gravity, things like that. I've also read it's kind of the worst of everything, with an engine that doesn't create "real" power until 4000 RPM and then is buzzy after 5000 RPM. People seem to put heavy bar-ends and it alleviates the bar vibes, though. I'm looking for a preferably naked sport standard that can do everything as well as possible. SMOOTH city riding with good fueling and no hard fuel-cut off with closed throttle, which I deal with a lot in Chicago city traffic. Down-low grunt for the constant low RPM driving, but a broad powerband for more open roads. At least a DECENT suspension (I'm no canyon carver, yet) for bumpy city roads and somewhat aggressive riding. Lack of vibrations and buzz at 75+ mph for taking trips (I can attach a windscreen of some sort for the wind). Looks good. Costs less than, say, 8 grand with fewer than, say, 7500 miles on it. Right now my options all seem like they have compromises, based on what I've read: - 2011-ish FZ8 (go for about $5800): Throttle not very smooth at low-speeds. Meh suspension that is costly to upgrade. Heavy and more top-heavy than others. No ABS. Long intervals between valve adjustments. - New FZ-09. Honestly just too expensive right now. - KTM Duke 690 (around $7500): More street than anything, too buzzy and locks you into a more or less single riding position and therefore not great for any distance. Has ABS, good suspension, light and agile. More maintenance on the thumper. - BMW F800R ($8000 or so): read above. - Triumph Street Triple R: Not a lot for sale around me, and most out of my price range. Some seem to be around 8 grand if I'm really lucky, but those are 2012 pre-ABS models as well. - Aprilia Tuono: Pretty aggressive styling and sport demeanor, not sure it's composed enough for stop-and-go. Also pricier and scarcer. But older versions are cheaper. This is kind of where I stand right now. I'm frustrated with the hunt and am now just throwing it out there for some suggestions and hopefully personal experience. A lot of me just wants to not even get anything and wait for the FZ-07, which some euro and Canadian reviewers are preferring to the FZ-09, for the cost at least. But that seems silly.
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I've decided I don't really want a tall bike with a wide bar. I went to a KTM demo event and the single non-super Duke that they had with them was taken up for the rest of the rides that day, so I rode the 690 Enduro which is the closest thing to a 690 SMC that we can get in the states. That bike is hilarious. I was grinning and laughing throughout the whole demo. The thing is loud and rattly like an old garbage truck falling off the Empire State Building. It also accelerates as fast. It's super fun, but that riding position is weird to me, and I couldn't ride it on the highway (even without the "oh no the cops are chasing me" whine of the off-road tars) for more than 15 minutes. Also I was on tippy-toes at every stoplight. I felt like a beautiful ballerina.
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If you're thinking about a F800 I wouldn't go for the R over the S or ST, unless you're in love with the styling. R has a chain drive, S and ST are belt drive. And if you're OK with the styling of the F800R, you might as well look at a Ducati Multistrada 1000/1100. They are pretty much a "does everything well (except look good from the front)" bike. And even then, you get used to the goofy cyclops.
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I test rode a new base model Street Triple and found it to be very smooth and fun. I think they were asking around $7k for it. I didn't feel limited by the suspension, but I'm not exactly Rossi. It was extraordinarily pleasant and if I'm in the market for a new bike that's what I'm going to go with. The better suspension and higher power of the Street Triple R must make it a hell of a nice bike.
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