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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrpEkYcc3_s An extended French promo for next episode showing some cool stuff but also potentially spoiling a minor character's death.
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Lycus posted:Well I'm sure Joffrey's death was a very unpleasant experience too. Not enough for my liking.
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Jun 4, 2014 13:13
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idgi the kawaiiest posted:Either they're virgins whose only idea of what sex is like comes from watching too much Japanese porn or they're full of poo poo. There is no way that scene was written, rehearsed, shot and edited without someone, somewhere, saying "um, this not-rape scene kinda looks like rape". Men are awful. Also I was wondering what house Selyse Baratheon is from (House Florent of the Reach, a bannerman of the Tyrells), and I found out that Selyse's first cousin once removed is none other than everyone's favorite goon Sam Tarley. Neat.
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Jun 4, 2014 13:30
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Napoleon Bonaparty posted:There are two more books until we're caught up. Technically, those two are actually one whole book that was split up.
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Jun 4, 2014 13:47
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Also technically, not every character in the show has 2 books of material remaining. Bran in particular is getting very close to the end of his written material. At least, so I suspect; they could of course add as much additional stuff as they want before getting to his actual last written material. Sansa and Dany are also past book 3, as is Brienne. I'm guessing by the end of next season we may have more than one character who is entirely past the books. That will be very interesting to see.
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Jun 4, 2014 13:53
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regulargonzalez posted:Also technically, not every character in the show has 2 books of material remaining. Bran in particular is getting very close to the end of his written material. At least, so I suspect; they could of course add as much additional stuff as they want before getting to his actual last written material. Sansa and Dany are also past book 3, as is Brienne. Honestly, after next season, there may not be anymore need for two threads. The last book of this series was published around the time of Season 1, and we are now approaching the end of season 4 with no firm release date in sight. There isn't much left to fear from people who have read the book in here. But yeah, Bran's stuff so far has been entirely from the 5th book. Imagine how slow his story would have been if they had stuck to the original timeline of events.
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Jun 4, 2014 14:02
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Steve2911 posted:That's not really true. There's certainly less of her after that point, but she's still part of the story and building up to something. Ah, I must have misunderstood then. ParliamentOfDogs posted:I dunno about Sansa, how can anyone take that "and you think you know me?" line from Littlefinger as anything but a threat. Like, if she thinks she is going to start pulling poo poo with him all of a sudden I think she is dead meat. Nobody but nobody puts Littlefinger in a corner. I mean, she might start getting little treats like dead Boltons and Freys left outside her door, but I can't imagine Littlefinger wants to gently caress her more then he wants to be king of everything. Yeah, I don't think he just wants to gently caress her, because he could have raped/coerced or probably even seduced her any time. He wants what he wanted in Cat, a woman he could love and who could be his equal. Sansa could be that.
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Grim Up North posted:Ah, I must have misunderstood then. Yeah I think Sansa understands that Littlefinger, like everyone else in a position of power in the show, is capable of doing terrible things if necessary. That's why he asks her if she thinks she knows him, and if I'm remembering correctly she doesn't really give an answer to that. She doesn't know him, not really, but she does know that she's in a position where he wants her around for multiple reasons. That's enough for her to at least know he isn't an immediate threat, to her life anyways, and she can actually start making some drat forward progress. Regarding the show catching up with the books, GRRM has to be feeling pretty tense right now. At the rate that guy gets books out I can't see the books staying ahead without some serious filler in the show.
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Jun 4, 2014 14:16
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Mortabis posted:Stannis has actually proven to be pretty resourceful and adaptable. He'd be a good king. Stannis/Davos 2016 Alan Smithee posted:Davos maybe. Sure as hell not Stannis precision posted:Awesome option: Gendry, with Arya as head of the Kingsguard Davos Seaworth as Hand and Protector Arya as pocket murder-genie Sansa as Master of Whisperers Salladhor Saan as Master of Syrio as Master at Arms Samwell as Maester Hot Pie in the kitchens Gendry at the forge Drogon as head of the Queensguard  Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Stannis's wife is into open relationships. Kevyn posted:You would think someone who can apparently contort her eyebrows all the way to the back of her head would put a little more emotion into her delivery.
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PantsBandit posted:Regarding the show catching up with the books, GRRM has to be feeling pretty tense right now. At the rate that guy gets books out I can't see the books staying ahead without some serious filler in the show. If that happens, there will be no filler. Full steam ahead according to D&D (don't look for those articles, you will almost definitely encounter spoilers.) Dapper Dan posted:Ironically, it just came out that he might not be doing seven books, but eight. I imagine that there are contingencies for this sort of thing, but it might turn out that the television series actually ends before the books themselves do. And considering that the producers/showrunners have been talking that they want the show to last seven seasons, it just might turn out that way. That story is based off of a really overblown answer she gave during an online Q&A. I imagine HBO would have something very stern to say about that prospect in his contract. Max fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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PantsBandit posted:Yeah I think Sansa understands that Littlefinger, like everyone else in a position of power in the show, is capable of doing terrible things if necessary. That's why he asks her if she thinks she knows him, and if I'm remembering correctly she doesn't really give an answer to that. She doesn't know him, not really, but she does know that she's in a position where he wants her around for multiple reasons. That's enough for her to at least know he isn't an immediate threat, to her life anyways, and she can actually start making some drat forward progress. Ironically, it just came out that he might not be doing seven books, but eight. I imagine that there are contingencies for this sort of thing, but it might turn out that the television series actually ends before the books themselves do. And considering that the producers/showrunners have been talking that they want the show to last seven seasons, it just might turn out that way.
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There is a decent chance that book 6 is out before the show reaches it proper (some characters being close already) but there is like no chance in hell of 7 being done by the time of s7/(s8)
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I hadn't given this much thought but I've just seen several bloggers/articles which seem to be convinced that Sansa "invited Petyr in" before she became Dark Sansa. I think it's possible. It's possible whether she's playing him, whether she actually thinks he's looking out for her, or a mix of both. I remain unconvinced that she has suddenly become incredibly devious already though. She was still dumb as dirt just a few episodes ago.
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Jun 4, 2014 14:33
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I think he's extending his number of books in the hopes that he'll kick the bucket before he finishes them and he never has to write a decent ending because how do you even make an ending to this series without either bumming everyone out or going against the established themes. Death is much simpler. Edit: Now that I think of it, GRRM dying and not finishing the series might just be the most perfect ending possible. PantsBandit fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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Jun 4, 2014 14:33
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PantsBandit posted:I think he's extending his number of books in the hopes that he'll kick the bucket before he finishes them and he never has to write a decent ending because how do you even make an ending to this series without either bumming everyone out or going against the established themes. Nah he's just running into a problem of having enough time to adequately resolve the series with all of the threads he's set up. Based on how slow the last one was, if he tried to wrap everything up it would be horrible and unsatisfactory with lots of dangling threads or very weak resolution where suddenly everything happens at once.
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Karpaw posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrpEkYcc3_s I swear to god if the whole episode is the fight on the wall and they don't do anything with the aftermath of last episode I'm flying to D&Ds houses and taking a huge runny poo poo on their lawn 
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Jun 4, 2014 14:51
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oswald ownenstein posted:I swear to god if the whole episode is the fight on the wall and they don't do anything with the aftermath of last episode I'm flying to D&Ds houses and taking a huge runny poo poo on their lawn It's the same director as the Blackwater episode, so I expect we are going to see little else of the world outside the Wall.
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oswald ownenstein posted:Nah he's just running into a problem of having enough time to adequately resolve the series with all of the threads he's set up. I can imagine lots of ways to satisfactorily wrap up what's happened so far in the show, so what you're saying here is that we should brace for lots of incoming terrible sideplots?
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Jun 4, 2014 14:55
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precision posted:I can imagine lots of ways to satisfactorily wrap up what's happened so far in the show, so what you're saying here is that we should brace for lots of incoming terrible sideplots? We should really drop this conversation, it's not the place for it. PM me or one of the other dudes on that list in the OP if you want any other info.
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Jun 4, 2014 14:58
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precision posted:I can imagine lots of ways to satisfactorily wrap up what's happened so far in the show, so what you're saying here is that we should brace for lots of incoming terrible sideplots? If you want to know in very general terms why book readers think 2 books won't be enough, you're welcome to pm me. My response will be very non-spoilery (no characters mentioned), just with general info. But suffice to say, unless the last two books are truly massive tomes and go at a very fast clip, it just seems unlikely to have everything wrap up in two more books.
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Jun 4, 2014 15:00
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Max posted:Honestly, after next season, there may not be anymore need for two threads. We didn't build 500 miles of ice walls 700 feet high to keep out book readers. The shitposters are gathering, I've seen them. They're coming for all of us.
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Jun 4, 2014 15:35
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Max posted:Honestly, after next season, there may not be anymore need for two threads. Pfft, the spoiler thread already has enough people who don't know their Beesbury from their Westerling.
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Stonefish posted:We didn't build 500 miles of ice walls 700 feet high to keep out book readers. The shitposters are gathering, I've seen them. They're coming for all of us. The only proper response.
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Jun 4, 2014 15:38
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Max posted:It's the same director as the Blackwater episode, so I expect we are going to see little else of the world outside the Wall. I expect the aftermath of the stuff in episode 8 will be left to the last episode of the season. Along with aftermath of the Wall stuff. Similar to what happened with Blackwater.
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Jun 4, 2014 15:39
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Jorghnassen posted:I expect the aftermath of the stuff in episode 8 will be left to the last episode of the season. Along with aftermath of the Wall stuff. Similar to what happened with Blackwater. Yeah, GoT is breaking with its tradition of the penultimate episode being the season finale and the last episode being the prologue. Which is ok, but to be honest I think everyone is really wanting the aftermath of the last episode right now rather than a battle episode.
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Jun 4, 2014 16:01
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precision posted:I hadn't given this much thought but I've just seen several bloggers/articles which seem to be convinced that Sansa "invited Petyr in" before she became Dark Sansa. I feel like her turning into "dark Sansa" is her version of Arya's laugh. A reaction to the absurdity of how she's been pushed around by fate. She half-consciously snaps and realizes what she has to do to survive. It's the concession to ugly reality that her father wouldn't make. She has to unlearn her upbringing now.
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Jun 4, 2014 16:15
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The season finale is going to have Jaime getting a raven telling him that Tyrion has been executed. Grief stricken, he walks down the steps of the Red Keep, only to hear Tyrion's voice. He turns around to see Tyrion standing before him. Tyrion begins to sing, "The Best Things in Life Are Free" while surrounded by dancing wenches. Roll credits.
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Jun 4, 2014 16:20
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precision posted:She was still dumb as dirt just a few episodes ago. Why? For not knowing who killed Joffrey? No one knows Littlefinger and Olenna is behind that. Ever since Littlefinger spoiled her plan to marry Loras, Sansa has been getting much smarter. Having to marry Tyrion is what shattered her girlhood fantasies of being whisked away by a handsome knight. I would argue Sansa did most of her growing up in the moment she was married.
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Jun 4, 2014 16:23
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The perception that Sansa is dumb is wrong, I think. She's been in a position in which she has had absolutely zero agency for a long, long time, and she was very aware of that fact, so acted accordingly. That testimony was one of the first times in the series that she's held some sway over a situation, and finally got to do something.
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Jun 4, 2014 16:49
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"Naive" is probably a better word than "dumb", I guess.
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precision posted:I can imagine lots of ways to satisfactorily wrap up what's happened so far in the show, so what you're saying here is that we should brace for lots of incoming terrible sideplots? I don't know because I've only read through the first half of book 1 but everyone is saying ADWD was really slow and set in the same timeline as AFFC. Based on all the threads that are set up right now it seems like a sudden conclusion would feel rushed and unsatisfying. I mean Dany still hasn't even marched on Westeros, Arya is still in the middle of her journey to whatever, Stannis is still in the middle of whatever, we don't have much resolution to the Mance Rayder thing yet, etc.
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oswald ownenstein posted:I mean Dany still hasn't even marched on Westeros, Arya is still in the middle of her journey to whatever, Stannis is still in the middle of whatever, we don't have much resolution to the Mance Rayder thing yet, etc. Sure, but I think 3 seasons would be more than enough to deal with all that. Look how far the first 3 took the characters (except Dany, who has still only really had about one good season worth of meaningful plot).
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Just realized Sansa had been called Little Bird by the Hound all the time, in the deleted scene and stuff. Little mockingbird amirite? 
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Having the next episode in the North makes sense. The wildlings have been coming for ages, and Stannis is probably also going there. poo poo's gonna get real! Pretty sure Ygritte is gonna die, most likely really close to Jon. Ugh. She's the best. Maybe Stannis will use all the charisma he's been saving up to get the wildlings on his side. It seems like a tragic waste to lose all those lovely wildlings. oswald ownenstein posted:I don't know because I've only read through the first half of book 1 but everyone is saying ADWD was really slow and set in the same timeline as AFFC. Based on all the threads that are set up right now it seems like a sudden conclusion would feel rushed and unsatisfying. I really want Dany's march on Westeros to end up the way the Greyjoys do: enormous pomp, very little circumstance. Westeros ain't got time for that poo poo, there's a real war a-coming.
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On the topic of spoiler threads, didn't  have a spoiler thread? What was even in it, casting info and poo poo that got leaked?pigdog posted:Just realized Sansa had been called Little Bird by the Hound all the time, in the deleted scene and stuff. Little mockingbird amirite? Didn't Cersei call her "little dove" as well? And I think the Arryn sigil is a dove. Kevyn fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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Kevyn posted:On the topic of spoiler threads, didn't I want to say that it did, and that it was mostly preview/casting/leaks. That show had a fuckton of leaks. Entire scripts got leaked. e: in fact, didn't the whole last episode get leaked and people were like "No way, that is fake as hell"?
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Kevyn posted:On the topic of spoiler threads, didn't There was a TON of speculation around Lost, and a ton of leaks and false leaks, and a bunch of outside information that wasn't discussed in the show, like the ARG they did at one point. From what I remember, though, no one had a real answer for the central mysteries until the finale. or never, for most of them 
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Windfall posted:Ned was not the cause of his own death. Ned got manipulated by Littlefinger to his death. Windfall posted:Then it became impossible to ignore with Lysa's letter to Cat. It accused them of poisoning the previous Hand and of trying to put an incest pure-blood Lannister in the line of succession, a letter that was prepared by Littlefinger who himself was the poisoner. Windfall posted:All this time Cersei and Jamie have no idea why Ned has such a giant bug up his rear end for them. Windfall posted:Oh yeah and let's not forget the whole Littlefinger doesn't have a big master plan. He's someone who gives a couple of pushes here and there to create as much chaos as possible, and then takes advantage of the situation. Which he explains to Varys. His only real goal up until recently was to take control of the Vale. He did that by murdering Jon Arryn, and then creating enough chaos so no one would notice him marrying Lysa Tully. He implicated the Lannisters because else he'd be the suspect. Bobo the Red posted:This also serves as a really good summation of why Littlefinger is the reason Cat (and everyone else) is dead. CSM fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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Sansa suddenly starting to 'play the game' would not just be uncharacteristic of her character, it would be uncharacteristic of the books. She's more of a viewpoint than a character really. I'm all for her taking some initiative for once, but only if it's fair to her character as it's been developed so far. It's like people wanting Arya to gently caress poo poo up, forgetting she's a little girl with a toothpick.
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