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Sima Yi (As portrayed in DW) strikes me as someone who would totally have a secret base on a Volcanic Island, with a private military that wear funny costumes. (He would be Cobra Commander is what I am saying) Speaking of Shu, I find how Jiang Wei joins Shu in DW8 to be completely hilarious. Zhuge Liang: Sorry for completely ruining your reputation and military career, but...we want you to join our club. Jiang Wei: gently caress YOU. Give me one good reason why I should go with you assholes? Liu Shan:  BENEVOLENCE Jiang Wei: ...Eh, good enough for me. Lets roll.
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Samurai Sanders posted:A Musou game with the three kingdoms and Gundam in it would allow him and Paptimus Sirocco to be side by side, and that would be incredible. The entire cast of G Gundam hanging out with Wu.
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Jun 7, 2014 06:55
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Lunethex posted:Speaking of bullshit in Warriors games I remember a time I was playing DW Gundam 3 and I was on one of the extra stages going for 100%. I kill most of the enemy officers and only Ramba Ral is left...in an Acguy.  As long as he remembers to fight.
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Unlucky7 posted:Sima Yi (As portrayed in DW) strikes me as someone who would totally have a secret base on a Volcanic Island, with a private military that wear funny costumes. (He would be Cobra Commander is what I am saying) The way he joins in the Hypothetical route is even more ridiculous. I dunno why they suddenly decided on 'benevolence' as the Shu catchall word. Or why Zhuge Liang, who was a massive jerk in the novel (and therefore massively entertaining), has to be the one to espouse this theory.
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Jun 7, 2014 07:03
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TARDISman posted:The entire cast of G Gundam hanging out with Wu. They will still only have two gundams to chose from.
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quote:I dunno why they suddenly decided on 'benevolence' as the Shu catchall word. It is the closest word to describe what he's after. But it's not just 'being good'. It's sometimes regarded as wrong to simply link to Wikipedia, but looking up Confuicanism may help in understanding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism If my small understanding is correct, he was pushing for a place that upheld the the ideals of Confucianism in full, without 'petty minds' or so on.
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Jun 7, 2014 07:25
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Having played it just in Japanese, the word they use was not a word I knew to begin with anyway, so I went into it with no preconceptions and just figured out what it meant by the way they used it. edit: it's this.
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Jun 7, 2014 07:26
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It comes down to shoddy translation work, basically: repeating 'Confucius' over and over still doesn't have much depth, but it at least makes a little more sense than just saying BENEVOLENCE. At the very least, have them say words other than Benevolence. A land of tranquility, a land of altruism, a land of cooperation, whatever. It'd still be childish, but hearing the word 'benevolence' over and over is grating, and it's not like anyone comes to Dynasty Warriors for deep moral and political insights.
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Jun 7, 2014 07:37
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Endorph posted:it's not like anyone comes to Dynasty Warriors for deep moral and political insights. 
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Jun 7, 2014 07:46
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Shu as presented in DW8 pretty much don't do much of that Ren business either. So it doesn't really matter what they called it, it still doesn't apply to them. 
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Jun 7, 2014 07:47
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SorcerousHam posted:Shu as presented in DW8 pretty much don't do much of that Ren business either. So it doesn't really matter what they called it, it still doesn't apply to them.
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Jun 7, 2014 07:48
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Samurai Sanders posted:Right, they portrayed him as a mostly failed idealist, and his successors even more so. If Shu was presented as the good guys, there would be no reason for Jin to feel like a protagonist. As for Jin-as-protagonist though, DW7 handled that succinctly -- "the good guys are all dead, now Shu's just 'led' by Jiang Wei." Tae posted:It should really tell you something when you realize the biggest threat by far to Jin was probably Zhong Hui's rebellion and other uprisings within Wei. Wu and Shu were just pests in comparison. Chortles fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jun 7, 2014 |
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Jun 7, 2014 07:58
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It should really tell you something when you realize the biggest threat by far to Jin was probably Zhong Hui's rebellion and other uprisings within Wei. Wu and Shu were just pests in comparison.
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So no one's picking this up yet because it came out on a Friday but there's some new information and screenshots for Dynasty Warriors 8: Empires. I'm mostly going off Google Translate because I'm bad at Japanese so let's give this a go.
This sounds pretty interesting, I like the move towards more officer-based RoTK gameplay. Policenaut fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Jun 7, 2014 |
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Jun 7, 2014 09:20
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So is there anything more to Ambition Mode than just grinding out small battles over and over?
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Pureauthor posted:So is there anything more to Ambition Mode than just grinding out small battles over and over?
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Jun 7, 2014 10:11
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Policenaut posted:This sounds pretty interesting, I like the move towards more officer-based RoTK gameplay. Everyone has been asking for more RoTK style stuff, but it honestly feels weird that they're actually delivering on it now. I honestly just sort of expected them to keep the depth to the Samurai Warriors Empires games.
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Jun 7, 2014 11:19
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Policenaut posted:
Best news yet.
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Jun 7, 2014 11:49
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Pureauthor posted:So is there anything more to Ambition Mode than just grinding out small battles over and over? If you've got DW8XLCE then after the grinding out small battles you get to do a whole bunch of large battles over and over until you get to the last level which is kinda bad but also hilarious when you play as a maxed out Lu Bu on Ultimate and end up facing off against ten boss level dudes at once.
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SorcerousHam posted:If you've got DW8XLCE then after the grinding out small battles you get to do a whole bunch of large battles over and over until you get to the last level which is kinda bad but also hilarious when you play as a maxed out Lu Bu on Ultimate and end up facing off against ten boss level dudes at once. Ten boss level dudes at once with no mooks around to grind out musou and no healing items at all. I ended up doing it with like Wen Yang and seriously regretted it but I pulled it off.
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Jun 7, 2014 12:13
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Pureauthor posted:So is there anything more to Ambition Mode than just grinding out small battles over and over? It goes by pretty quick if you just set it to beginner and play material stages over and over. The rewards are worth it, since the academy/high level blacksmith/barracks allow you to buff up your dudes, weapons, and make it so you never have to worry about money again. It kind of breaks the game, honestly.
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Jun 7, 2014 12:29
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It's weird coming back to Dynasty Warriors after so many years, and so much Ravages of Time, but DW8XL on Steam did it. Any idea if they'll do the properly money-grubbing thing and release the non-Complete DLC on Steam?
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Jun 7, 2014 12:34
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Jibo posted:Ten boss level dudes at once with no mooks around to grind out musou and no healing items at all. I ended up doing it with like Wen Yang and seriously regretted it but I pulled it off. Amusingly it was the only time I've ever had to rely upon the NPCs for victory. I'd take down one or two slowly and they'd just mob a single one and juggle them while rapidly burning through their HP bar.
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Jun 7, 2014 12:42
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Policenaut posted:So no one's picking this up yet because it came out on a Friday but there's some new information and screenshots for Dynasty Warriors 8: Empires. I'm mostly going off Google Translate because I'm bad at Japanese so let's give this a go. All of this sounds really cool. It'll be interesting to see how the succession stuff plays out. Will Guan Yu automatically be succeeded by, like, Guan Ping? Or will he just spit out an edited warrior? Also, hoping for plenty of top hats and monocles in the initial release. Nothing like a straight up dandy going toe-to-toe with Lu Bu.
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I just realized there's no special family Bonding quotes. No father-son weekend brunch for Sima Yi and Sima Shi I guess. 
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Lunethex posted:Can you explain why? I'm curious now, and I haven't played XL. XL adds three optional objectives to each stage in Free Mode, mostly completing stage objectives within a time limit. The basic goal of Escape from Jiangdong is to escort Liu Bei and Sun Shangxiang out of the castle and down to the escape point in the southwest. Sun Quan is in the southeast, but you don't need to fight him; in fact the game actively tells you to leave him alone. One of the optional objectives is too defeat Sun Quan within 8 minutes, which requires you to take a huge detour and to leave your two escort characters alone for a protracted period. It's even worse if you're trying to do one of the other optional objectives, since the ideal time to go beat the dogshit out of Sun Quan is right before Liu Bei and Sun Shangxiang get attacked by three or four playable officers.
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So, I just beat the four historical kingdom stories in DW8XLCE. To avoid mucking everything up in terms of balance and such, am I better off going for the hypothetical routes, the Other stories, the...I guess XL stages are the lower sets in the stage select menus? Or am I now safe to jump into Lu Bu, then loop back through for hypotheticals and XL stuff? Does Lu Bu just level up everyone, or is it just that his story gets you a bunch of nice stuff, stuff that I already have comparable gear for and thus don't need to worry about it?
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Lu Bu gets you level-4 weapons pretty quickly. Personally, I'd recommend polishing off the four kingdoms' hypothetical routes first, but it really doesn't matter. Do whatever you think you'll enjoy.
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I got a fair number of L4 weapons on Lu Bu's final hypothetical even on normal. Then I swapped to hard mode to try and grind more out and the blacksmith was just selling them. edit: Also I can't overstate how... underwhelming Ambition mode is. I think it's because I basically need to time attack stages in a row and I hate that sort of poo poo. I wanna murder all the officers and stuff first.
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You're on the right track given killing officers is worth 30 seconds and 100 kills is also worth 30 seconds. Abuse the 'Gather Supplies' bodyguard skill. It grants extra time based on KO count. 180 is worth about a minute and scales up from there. 'Summon Enemy' can be abused in combination with this or on it's own. The body guard heads for the nearest exit and vanishes. Roughly 10 seconds later, he comes back with 100+ enemies in tow. Not quite infinite time, but fairly close. You can maintain a real long time by this.
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Kitfox88 posted:edit: Also I can't overstate how... underwhelming Ambition mode is. I think it's because I basically need to time attack stages in a row and I hate that sort of poo poo. I wanna murder all the officers and stuff first. Have fun getting the special animals. Easily the worst part of the game. 
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Maleketh posted:Have fun getting the special animals. Easily the worst part of the game. It isn't so bad. Set it to Beginner, put on a TV show or something, and get a character with a horse and do skirmish maps over and over. You can clear skirmish maps in less than 30 seconds easy. It's still 100 battles for the super (terrible) elephant but oh well. You can save between battles and turn off the game and it still counts as consecutive too, so there's that. I mean, I agree, it wasn't fun but far from the worst grind. For me, the worst grind is XL Ambition mode - I've subjugated 100% of the land and 'finished' the mode, but I still have to go back and play battles over and over to recollect all the playable officers, because the game only lets one playable officer enemy appear per subjugation battle.
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Getting the War Elephant is not nearly as annoying as resubjugating every province five times.
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Ambivalent posted:It isn't so bad. Set it to Beginner, put on a TV show or something, and get a character with a horse and do skirmish maps over and over. You can clear skirmish maps in less than 30 seconds easy. It's still 100 battles for the super (terrible) elephant but oh well. You can save between battles and turn off the game and it still counts as consecutive too, so there's that. T.G. Xarbala posted:Getting the War Elephant is not nearly as annoying as resubjugating every province five times. You people speak madness. At least XL Ambition mode required thought and had a modicum of excitement. Fighting through harmless non-officers with huge health pools was awful. Without halberd-switching, it would have been intolerable.
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Maleketh posted:You people speak madness. At least XL Ambition mode required thought and had a modicum of excitement. Fighting through harmless non-officers with huge health pools was awful. Without halberd-switching, it would have been intolerable. I'm not saying it wasn't bad, I just found it less of an ordeal than you'd think thanks to some mitigating factors. With a lvl 150 character and a maxed-out custom weapon plowing through Beginner, even the late-chain damage sponges go down with two/three full Square combos (one if halberd-switching, but that required me to actually get off my horse so I didn't always do that). Granted, this means doing a fair bit of preparation and farming beforehand, but Academy-buying a hundred or so levels and fusing a twink weapon are worth it on their own. I also found that you can save before a battle and then Quit during that battle in order to take a break. This doesn't work if you Return to Camp, which autosaves and overwrites the post-battle save, but it's an option if you'd rather do something else for a bit. The whole thing took me about two hours spread out across multiple sittings, and I also had Netflix running and snacks when I actually was trudging through.
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use a character with the harp and you never need to dismount, just spam attack while running to the end.
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Fauxtool posted:use a character with the harp and you never need to dismount, just spam attack while running to the end. Deng Ai's lance done properly, can basically one shot generics from horseback using a charge attack, I've been told. I haven't actually tried it because I hate that weapon so much. The attack string is so yuck.
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Lance owns because it's basic string breaks guard and set up right Charge 4 just ends officers without a fight.
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I just accidentally got the rank 6 Wired Claws stuff while leveling her up to try and get the rank 5 ones.  The guide I was looking at didn't even mention rank 6 stuff existing.They're so god drat ugly. 
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Kitfox88 posted:I just accidentally got the rank 6 Wired Claws stuff while leveling her up to try and get the rank 5 ones. Yeah, guides made for the base DW8 game don't mention stuff added for XL, including the 6-star weapons. I'd still rather just buy skins to swank up my custom rank 4's. It's me, I'm the DLC problem.
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