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The implications on all of this in regards to the path al-qaeda and ISIS take from here are really not good.
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When al-Maliki declares a state of emergency, if it is one with sweeping powers (which is clearly what he wants) how likely is he to give it back anytime soon? Because he doesn't have a good track record on that front and this looks like a terrific opportunity to extend his power (always look for the silver lining  ).
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Volkerball posted:The implications on all of this in regards to the path al-qaeda and ISIS take from here are really not good. wow, talk about somebody who has no travel plans to europe or america anytime soon. what kind of clod announces sympathy to Alqaeda on facebook?!
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Jun 10, 2014 14:08
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ISIS published an edition of their English language magazine celebrating their victory in Mosul. Interesting to note, the mortars shown in the bit on mortar training are the type that were sent from Croatia to the Syrian "moderate" opposition at the start of 2013.
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Jun 10, 2014 14:18
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It seems insane that the Iraqi military let it get to this point. How could they be that incompetent?
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Jun 10, 2014 14:26
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Brown Moses posted:ISIS published an edition of their English language magazine celebrating their victory in Mosul. Interesting to note, the mortars shown in the bit on mortar training are the type that were sent from Croatia to the Syrian "moderate" opposition at the start of 2013.  Now don't you worry about a thing. This guy right here next to me in the balaclava? He's a doctor. He's not just some goon off the street. He's got plenty of experience cutting hands off. Rest assured. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Jun 10, 2014 14:27
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What drives me crazy isnt just the horrible images and messages of that magazine, it's the fact that their graphic designers and motion artists are so much better than they have any right to be.
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Jun 10, 2014 14:32
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Volkerball posted:
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Jun 10, 2014 15:20
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pengun101 posted:Stupid question, whats a HADD. I assume its hand chopping, but i am not sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud
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Meanwhile, ISIS is also pressing a major offensive in Deir ez-Zour province in Syria:quote:BEIRUT: Fighting is raging in eastern Syria as a jihadist group rooted in neighbouring Iraq pushes a fresh bid to create an "Islamic state" along the border, an activist group said Tuesday. It seems like they're really trying to sweep, claim and consolidate as much territory in both Iraq and Syria as they can.
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Jun 10, 2014 15:25
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If I were paranoid, I'd say _someone_ just got an influx of cash and supplies. What a great distraction from Russia's current behavior! I'm not paranoid. Still, why now? Fighting on two fronts at once is always a surprising concern.
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Jun 10, 2014 15:30
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Hey BM, how do you save videos from Youtube?
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Jun 10, 2014 15:39
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pengun101 posted:Stupid question, whats a HADD. I assume its hand chopping, but i am not sure. That wiki link describes it, but it's a variety of punishments. Basically always hand chopping for theft though. suboptimal posted:Meanwhile, ISIS is also pressing a major offensive in Deir ez-Zour province in Syria: The FSA/IF are closing on Raqqa, but it's being reported ISIS has a new weapon that just showed up in Deir ez zor. Humvees! It also sounds like they want to advance to Kirkuk sooner rather than later. Already fighting along the way. As of right now, they control an amount of land the size of Portugal or Indiana.
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Jun 10, 2014 15:41
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Pictures floating around of vehicles from Mosul already showing up in Syria.
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Jun 10, 2014 15:48
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JSARSOM posted:Pictures floating around of vehicles from Mosul already showing up in Syria. Would those be the Humvees that Volkerball mentioned?
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Abilifier posted:Would those be the Humvees that Volkerball mentioned?   
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Abilifier posted:Would those be the Humvees that Volkerball mentioned? Probably. I've seen pics of Omar al-Shishani inspecting a Humvee and also seen a few of trucks and other humvees lined up. All reportedly in Hasakah and Deir ez-Zor. e: beated
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Sounds like the Iraqi armed forces are just crumbling away in the face of determined resistance. Couple of obvious thoughts: 1) The western occupation forces were supposed to have spent years training up the new Iraqi security force. Evidently, they've not done a very good job. 2) this doesn't bode well for our other military adventure, Afghanistan, when we piss off in a few months time.
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Jun 10, 2014 16:10
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I want those humvees to get hit with an ied real bad.
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Jun 10, 2014 16:17
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Radio Prune posted:Hey BM, how do you save videos from Youtube? Keepvid.com, it works with other sites too.
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Umiapik posted:Sounds like the Iraqi armed forces are just crumbling away in the face of determined resistance. Couple of obvious thoughts: Nothing is ever this simple. Word is that the military and police in Mosul hadn't been paid / were hardly paid at all for months. Because of the fighting in other areas, units were spread out and undermanned. Threats from ISIS, Shiite militia complicity with military actions and goverment caused divisiveness has resulted in rampant desertions of Sunni soldiers. Constant turnover of leadership has resulted in an ineffective command structure. There's also a lot more issues as well. Fact of the matter is that given the atmosphere of the country, this is hardly surprising. Saddening, but not surprising. The government/Maliki lost the Sunni populace through a series of entirely preventable and unnecessary mistakes that seemed largely intentional. This is the ongoing consequence to those actions.
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It's frustrating that this is our fault since we broke Iraq and then half-assed the fixing part. Granted we all saw that coming, but at this point there's little we can realistically do that isn't going to further inflame the conflict. Same goes for Afghanistan really.
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So there's now a strong jihadi presence in Anbar, Ninawa, and Kirkuk. Curious how much of this is really just indigenous Sunni discontent versus ISIS.
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Brown Moses posted:Keepvid.com, it works with other sites too. One pretty universal method that works is UrlSnooper - it uses WinPcap to sniff network traffic and identify media streams, which you can usually download from a browser or Realmedia ripper or whatever. If you run into stuff that Keepvid won't rip that would be my suggestion. Since it works on a packet-sniffing level it can pick up on sites that aren't popular enough to have real ripping tools available. JDownloader is another good tool for downloading videos. Massive compatibility, easy to use, but nowadays it's a little hard to recommend since the web installer asks to install adware and I always find that a bit shady. So far as I know it doesn't install the adware if you say no, and once you get it installed it's fine, the updater is clean so far as I know and it's never asked for admin elevation or anything like that. It's just a portable app that sits in a directory so you can install it in a VM or something and copy it out, or maybe try the "Java MultiOS download without installer" version at the bottom. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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I like the title change. And, well, news of Mosul's capture is pretty stunning, on paper, Iraq's security services look pretty good, but the reality is clearly nowhere near where they've set to be. If Iraq continues to decline at this rate, I would not be surprised to see Iran getting its formal armed forces more involved here. This is really starting to feel like an all-out regional war against every Shia state in the Middle East now, and I'm sure the Saudi's and other Gulf monarchies are all enjoying the show from their vantage point while those countries are bled out in front of them.
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Jun 10, 2014 18:12
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Charlotte Hornets posted:why don't kurds go south to help? because they benefit out of a weak central authority.
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Al-Saqr posted:because they benefit out of a weak central authority. And Barzani is in it to line his pockets, not out of any real solidarity with the cause of the greater Kuridsh nation. Plus he and Maliki hate each other. Aurubin fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Jun 10, 2014 18:55
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Warcabbit posted:If I were paranoid, I'd say _someone_ just got an influx of cash and supplies. What a great distraction from Russia's current behavior!
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Isn't it an open secret that ISIS is financed by Saudi Arabia?
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So who is running ISIS? Is it just a hivemind of extremists or are there named people running poo poo? e: guess the few above touched on this
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Charlotte Hornets posted:Isn't it an open secret that ISIS is financed by Saudi Arabia?
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JT Jag posted:It's pretty shocking the amount of ground ISIS has suddenly gained in the last week, and one wonders if someone is bankrolling them. I wouldn't think it's Russia, but... maybe Saudi? Russia doesn't arm islamic militants since the 1990s because all of the weapons sent to the Middle East always wound up in Chechnya being used against Russian soldiers. Strong authoritarian "presidents" like Bashar Assad get Russia's support precisely because they are seen as a counter to both Western democracies and radical islamists in the Middle East.
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JSARSOM posted:So who is running ISIS? Is it just a hivemind of extremists or are there named people running poo poo? There's a solidified command structure, Abu Dua is the current leader and has quite an impressive resume. All see if I can find the link, but I read a great article on the metrics ISIL has been using to gauge their effectiveness. Also, a ISIL and some other Mujh organizations are claiming Sunni tribesman assisted in taking Mosul. It would explain the quickness of the fall and the desertions, as I'm 90% sure Maliki hadn't replaced the Brigades in Mosul with ones filled with Shiites from the south like he did in Anbar. Maliki is also vowing a quick response. This can only mean that his "Baghdad" Brigades will move north, likely accompanied by Shiite militiamen. This guarantees heavy fighting and puts Baghdad itself at risk considering that most of the surrounding areas are under ISIL control already.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's frustrating that this is our fault since we broke Iraq and then half-assed the fixing part. We spent tens if not hundreds of billions, and thousands of lives. Effort was never our problem.
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Aurubin posted:And Barzani is in it to line his pockets, not out of any real solidarity with the cause of the greater Kuridsh nation. Plus he and Maliki hate each other. I think there are other factors involved as well. Mosul is partly Kurdish isn't it? I imagine it probably has oil near it. There is no better way to line your pocket than with oil and popular support. One thing I am not clear on is whether the Kurdish party that opposes barzani (and controls Syrian Kurdish areas) is friendly with ISIS. I think the Syrian Kurds signed some kind of peace deal with ISIS. If Barzani's opponents support ISIS then Barzani is going to want to take Mosul. I think he has already threatened to take action with the peshmerga. I would imagine that he might sabre rattle for the moment, and if the Iraqi state looks like it is kaput then he will move in to secure territory. Edit: I am on a phone I am sorry. 
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Pycckuu posted:Russia doesn't arm islamic militants since the 1990s because all of the weapons sent to the Middle East always wound up in Chechnya being used against Russian soldiers. Strong authoritarian "presidents" like Bashar Assad get Russia's support precisely because they are seen as a counter to both Western democracies and radical islamists in the Middle East. Chechen rebels mostly got their weapons from within Russia, not through the middle east. The heavily mined natural borders with Georgia was far from ideal for smuggling. I agree that Russia isn't arming ISIS though.
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Anyone want to take any bets when Kurdistan is gonna declare itself a state?
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Right after hell freezes over. Turkey would lose its poo poo, the U.S doesn't want to have to deal with the significant fallout that would dramatically impact its relationship with multiple allies, Iran would probably get involved, and the various Kurdish groups in Iraq and Syria are nowhere near unified enough / have little interest in doing so as long as they have autonomy to a degree.
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I thought Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest US allies in the region? They're the ones funding America's nemesis?
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