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Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Hammer Floyd posted:

Exciting news. I've booked in studio time on Sunday to go and make the ultimate Metal guitar and bass tone possible! It'll be fast, heavy, loud and for a guitar nerd like me, ridiculously good fun.

So on this Public Holiday, I'm gonna listen to a whole bunch of awesome sounding bands on my monitors and find a point of reference. A guitar\bass sound that sounds awesome, which I will then improve on.

I have many points of reference in mind, but suggestions are welcome! What metal band had the best sounding guitars?

For bass tone, it's not metal, but punk. Take a listen to 88 Fingers Louie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=croeljPMpMQ

For guitar and bass tone, you can't beat the Bjoler brothers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3clTWMx8o

Youtube rips don't do any of those songs justice, so I highly recommend finding those albums and support those two great bands, even if they're disbanded or the appropriate players aren't in the bands anymore.

Spanish Manlove fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jun 10, 2014

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Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012

comes along bort posted:

This, but unironically. The snare sounds good too.

I wasn't being ironic
PiP is basically the ideal goregrind mix. But I wouldn't want to hear a voivod album with it.

Speaking of which, Nothingface is another example of an album with pretty much perfect tone and placement on all the instruments, in my eyes (could be just because I'm a huge Voivod fan though).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GifB5kkFPx4

The tone is so artificial and clinical but it has a great personality.

Gamma Nerd fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Jun 10, 2014

Fiendish Dr. Wu
Nov 11, 2010

You done fucked up now!
drat I missed the guitar tone talk, but I'll be damned if Blind Guardian doesn't have the best guitar tone in the world on Nightfall...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bDVPLDppvE

burzum karaoke
May 30, 2003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yedkKccl2wc

Let's get evil.

NarkyBark
Dec 7, 2003

one funky chicken
I think guitar and bass tones really rely on what kind of genre/sound you're looking for. A super crunch or super fuzz guitar will sound awesome in some styles but stink in others. A twangy bass sound works for some styles where a deep tone works for others. Mileage may vary.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

NarkyBark posted:

I think guitar and bass tones really rely on what kind of genre/sound you're looking for. A super crunch or super fuzz guitar will sound awesome in some styles but stink in others. A twangy bass sound works for some styles where a deep tone works for others. Mileage may vary.

The tones, vocals, and drums from "The Haunted - Versus" is versatile and fits any style.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
Man, I'm mad I missed the Young and in the Way CD release. Looks like it was a killer show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftsjnSJHjE&hd=1

The album is super killer and is one of my favorite things coming out of the US right now.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Cheers for the suggestions all! If nothing else, I found a couple of good bands that I'd missed out on.

In other news: Rob Dukes was fired from Exodus and replaced with Zetro again.

I actually preferred Rob to Zetro, so I'm not thrilled, but you don't exactly listen to Exodus for the vocals...

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
Exodus also haven't done anything worthwhile since the 1980s so it really only matters if you want to see them live. In that case, I'd much rather have Zetro based on the videos I've seen of Dukes.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Henchman of Santa posted:

Exodus also haven't done anything worthwhile since the 1980s so it really only matters if you want to see them live. In that case, I'd much rather have Zetro based on the videos I've seen of Dukes.

I'd disagree there. I really liked both Atrocity Exhibition albums. Admittedly, it's one of those situations where if you took one half of one album and added it to one half of the other album, you'd have something loving awesome, but I thought they both had some fantastic riffs on it.

I saw 'em in a club a few years ago. Rob was great at getting everybody into it. I don't think there was anybody who saw 'em that night that didn't feel involved in the gig.

fuf
Sep 12, 2004

haha
Any suggestions for bands that are like halfway between Black Sabbath and Sleep?

Slow, chuggy, groovy riffs, preferably no vocals.

Kinda like Bongripper or The Sword - like stoner metal but with actual riffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsDz5qphC3c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEsmxJvgcjU

edit: basically I want stuff exactly like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-FjO3E8K-E

fuf fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jun 10, 2014

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.

Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:

drat I missed the guitar tone talk, but I'll be damned if Blind Guardian doesn't have the best guitar tone in the world on Nightfall...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bDVPLDppvE
drat right, I've always love BG's wailing guitar sound.

Baron Von Ghoulosh
Dec 16, 2005

There was a time when I fed from golden chalices,
but now...

Now, I feed as
an old man pees.

fuf posted:

Any suggestions for bands that are like halfway between Black Sabbath and Sleep?

First thing that came to mind, Church of Misery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52tn2V7sYbA

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

fuf posted:

Any suggestions for bands that are like halfway between Black Sabbath and Sleep?

Slow, chuggy, groovy riffs, preferably no vocals.

Kinda like Bongripper or The Sword - like stoner metal but with actual riffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsDz5qphC3c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEsmxJvgcjU

edit: basically I want stuff exactly like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-FjO3E8K-E

Pharaoh Overlord: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfHhhA-Wt9g

nerve
Jan 2, 2011

SKA SUCKS

fuf posted:

Any suggestions for bands that are like halfway between Black Sabbath and Sleep?

Slow, chuggy, groovy riffs, preferably no vocals.

Kinda like Bongripper or The Sword - like stoner metal but with actual riffs.

I'm going to assume you're aware of super super obvious stuff like Electric Wizard, so moving on

You can try Belzebong, Dopethrone, Church of Misery, and Toner Low.

CRIP EATIN BREAD
Jun 24, 2002

Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T



Soiled Meat

Baron Von Ghoulosh posted:

First thing that came to mind, Church of Misery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52tn2V7sYbA

I would have made the exact same recommendation, except I would have picked Shotgun Boogie as the song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7eP-DFReyA

Spatulater bro!
Aug 19, 2003

Punch! Punch! Punch!

Can anyone tell me how the remasters of Autopsy's first three albums sound? Are they worth saving some cash on or should I go with the originals? Thinking about getting them on vinyl.

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy
Y'all posted some good bands with good guitar tones, but not my favorite. It used to be Opeth if that tells you anything, with those long clear sustains and poo poo, but these days I can't get over how crisp Keep of Kalessin's guitars are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLIUiuGn8fc

Youtube won't really do it justice but man I just dig that sound. Unfortunately they lost their awesome singer, so I'm not sure what to expect from their next album :(

Fenrir fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Jun 11, 2014

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.
Hypocrisy's live tone destroys most bands in the studio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iTNnBMWFCE

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
I don't know how but for some reason saccage's album from 2012 has some of the best all around tones for everything.

http://saccage.bandcamp.com/album/death-crust-satanique-full-length

But somehow, Vorace sounds nowhere near as good.

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy

Misogynist posted:

Hypocrisy's live tone destroys most bands in the studio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iTNnBMWFCE

Man, I love Hypocrisy. Have for nearly 20 years now. Their tone is great live or in the studio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE8hAOLy9vs

I'm probably the most lame metal guy in the whole metal world these days, I either listen to poo poo from 20 years ago or poo poo that's hardly even metal anymore. Oh well. It's still metal to me.

Fenrir fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Jun 11, 2014

venus de lmao
Apr 30, 2007

Call me "pixeltits"

The new Body Count is out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GevN7Km74

Von Sloneker
Jul 6, 2009

as if all this was something more
than another footnote on a postcard from nowhere,
another chapter in the handbook for exercises in futility

Misogynist posted:

Hypocrisy's live tone destroys most bands in the studio:

Fenrir posted:

Man, I love Hypocrisy. Have for nearly 20 years now. Their tone is great live or in the studio.

I've never really studied their live footage but I remember reading an interview with Tagtgren around the time Into the Abyss came out where he claimed not to use any pedals. Like, at all. No distortion or anything. I think he said for studio stuff any "effects" were handled after the fact. But for live settings it was just "plug in and go."

TheIllestVillain
Dec 27, 2011

Sal, Wyoming's not a country
The new Septicflesh album is streaming and it is sick

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
There was one year where I saw Septicflesh like 4 times because they were opening for other bands. I would have gladly paid to just see SF as the headliner 4 times in a year, they're so amazing live.

David Pratt
Apr 21, 2001
Animals As Leaders put up some new live session videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVSQnsuTs-g

tonechat: they don't even have a bass player.

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy

TheIllestVillain posted:

The new Septicflesh album is streaming and it is sick

Oh GOD YES. Been waiting for this.

Less Claypool
Apr 16, 2009

More Primus For Fucks Sake.
New Incantation is pretty killer as usual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJXUQFDOb1I

Less Claypool fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jun 11, 2014

Anarchist Mae
Nov 5, 2009

by Reene
Lipstick Apathy
Arch Enemy - Guitar Wank Pro 2.0No More Regrets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc-p93x5rPQ

Hmm.

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy
So I've been off work and bored most of today. I've been sitting here and listening to most of Enslaved's discography all over again. God drat, man. I love this loving band and I can't wait for the next album, which apparently they're working on now.

These guys just keep getting better every album and it's amazing.

For something that qualifies as content: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmxq-qB7ZQc

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012
Holy poo poo, this is like early Kataklysm at hyperspeed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9G9KwNhFis

Also, does anyone here dig Crimson Massacre?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1tif3kS0KI

Anarchist Mae
Nov 5, 2009

by Reene
Lipstick Apathy
Seems an opportune time to ask, I'm not that into Enslaved, but not sure what album I should get next.

I have Frost which doesn't do much for me, I prefer other Black Metal from this time.

I have Below the Lights which is pretty great, although Ridicule Swarm just bores the pants off me.

I have RIITIIR which is similar, but somehow not as satisfying as Below the Lights, except for Veilburner and it's kick arse grove.

So where should I go from Below the Lights? Back an album or two, or forwards?

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy

Measly Twerp posted:

Seems an opportune time to ask, I'm not that into Enslaved, but not sure what album I should get next.

I have Frost which doesn't do much for me, I prefer other Black Metal from this time.

I have Below the Lights which is pretty great, although Ridicule Swarm just bores the pants off me.

I have RIITIIR which is similar, but somehow not as satisfying as Below the Lights, except for Veilburner and it's kick arse grove.

So where should I go from Below the Lights? Back an album or two, or forwards?

Get Mardraum. That seems like the medium of all you've described. If you like that, get Isa. I'd have thrown BTL out there but you already have that one and you liked it, so I don't know what else to recommend.

E: Actually now that I think of it, if you like Mardraum the next one after that I'd recommend is Axioma Ethica Odini. It's a LOT heavier than RIITIIR and has a lot of callback to the Below the Lights era.

If you really get into that try Ruun, Isa and Vertebrae, but those 3 aren't as immediately accessible.

E2: In fact, just get Axioma Ethica Odini, because god drat. But get Mardraum too. I think they'd both be up your alley.

Ok gonna shut up because I'm gonna just end up gushing for six loving hours, this is my favorite band by a country goddamn mile and I could talk about them until my voice gave out.

Fenrir fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jun 11, 2014

Anarchist Mae
Nov 5, 2009

by Reene
Lipstick Apathy
Thanks Fenrir, investigating via YouTube now :)

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy

Measly Twerp posted:

Thanks Fenrir, investigating via YouTube now :)

If you're doing the youtube thing I'd suggest Storre Enn Tid/Tyngre Enn Natt and Ethica Odini as starting places. Throw some Giants and Ormgard in there too.

e: Also check out To The Coast and Return to Yggdrasill.

Warning though, To The Coast and the rest of the Vertebrae album sounds kinda bad, they had poo poo production the first time around when they changed labels :(

e2: WAIT. gently caress everything I just said. LISTEN TO THE BEACON. Jesus loving christ just listen to that song oh my god. Why did that take me an hour to think of, what the gently caress was wrong with me. Listen to THE BEACON. It's just the BEST loving SONG.

Fenrir fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Jun 11, 2014

Fiendish Dr. Wu
Nov 11, 2010

You done fucked up now!

Fenrir posted:

e2: WAIT. gently caress everything I just said. LISTEN TO THE BEACON. Jesus loving christ just listen to that song oh my god. Why did that take me an hour to think of, what the gently caress was wrong with me. Listen to THE BEACON. It's just the BEST loving SONG.

Hahaha while reading through your post I was about to post that. Nice catch.

DroneRiff
May 11, 2009

Gamma Nerd posted:

Also, does anyone here dig Crimson Massacre?

Man I need to dig out Luster again. I remember it was the first album I imported direct from a distro. The guitar tone is odd but I think helps it stand out a little. It's very much in wankfest valley, that point where it all just hangs together so well.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012
It's a total wankfest, but the melodic style and the way the songs are written is really intriguing and unusual. Feels alien in a way very little metal does.

Also I wonder if they're still active. There was a rumor of a new album a while ago but it never materialized.

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy

Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:

Hahaha while reading through your post I was about to post that. Nice catch.

Hear them cry
Watch them fly
Let them bow to the altars of suppression 'til you feel them
DIE

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Iceberg-Slim
Oct 7, 2003

no re okay
New Eluveite track from their upcoming album, click for fiddles and metal: https://soundcloud.com/nuclearblastrecords/eluveitie-king

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