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I believe another contributing factor is that he's an extreme method actor and gained a bunch of the weight in the first place for a movie role.
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Decius posted:Apparently he had (has?) serious health issues/medication, which led to his weight gain and also problems with the production schedule (which is the reason why Goren was on leave so many episodes in the second to last season). Second to last season, he wasn't even on the show. It was all Goldblum all the time. But yes, they'd been putting him in half the episodes alternating with Noth or Goldblum for years.
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Jun 11, 2014 14:44
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Boogaleeboo posted:Yeah I mean I really don't see how you do Jessica Jones and not touch on Purple Man. That's a pretty major part of Alias, and I don't see *why* you'd do Jessica Jones without drawing on Alias. Well the how is easy, you can substitute Jewel (if they even keep that as her old codename) getting defeated by almost any villain you need her to for purposes of the plot. All that is really required is that Jessica got defeated badly enough to break her self-confidence and make her quit being a superhero. You could just have her lose a fight and end up in the hospital for a couple of months. Hell, they could even do a Gwen Stacey and make the break point her failing to save someone precious to her. Maybe a born-to-die boyfriend or some such1. You don't need to have the rapey sorta sex slave sorta not Purple Man thing. And depending on whether they're going for the more adult audience that Netflix allows or are keeping it in line with the rest of the MCU at PG-13 or so will probably decide that. If they're going darker and more adult, probably Purple Man. If they're keeping it MCU? Well I'd say that the villain who beats the superhero out of Jessica will turn out to be the main villain for The Defenders in season five. 1 = Like Sydney's doctor fiance on...wait for it...the old spy show Alias.
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jng2058 posted:Well the how is easy, you can substitute Jewel (if they even keep that as her old codename) getting defeated by almost any villain you need her to for purposes of the plot. All that is really required is that Jessica got defeated badly enough to break her self-confidence and make her quit being a superhero. You could just have her lose a fight and end up in the hospital for a couple of months. Hell, they could even do a Gwen Stacey and make the break point her failing to save someone precious to her. Maybe a born-to-die boyfriend or some such1. I'd argue the mind control part is more critical because drawing a beat down from the Avengers proper informs a lot of her relationships with the cape community.
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Jun 11, 2014 18:00
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jscolon2.0 posted:I'd argue the mind control part is more critical because drawing a beat down from the Avengers proper informs a lot of her relationships with the cape community. That's....a pretty good point, actually. Yeah, fair enough. Except that the odds that they'll have the cash to get the MCU Avengers together for said beat-down seem logistically nightmarish, especially since the MCU Avengers don't actually exist as a permanent team to go fight. They existed for like an hour to fight off the Chitauri and then disbanded again. I guess, since Jessica Jones will air in 2016 after Avengers: Age of Ultron, that may change though. (And if they're smart, they'll have a throwaway cameo of Jessica as Jewel doing her bit in A2.) Still, if you keep the "mind controlled into fighting for evil" thing, it doesn't have to be Purple Man and the pervy way he treats Jessica, right? It could be Mesmero...no, wait, he's an X-villain. Umm, Mandrill? No, he only controls women and has the same creepy sexual thing going on that you're trying to avoid with the Purple Man. Dang. Ringmaster from the Circus of Crime? No, he's even sillier than the Purple Man. Hmm, this is tougher than I thought.  I guess you could either... 1) Keep the Purple Man and just reduce the sexual element to try and make it less creepy. 2) Make up a new mind controlling villain and then do the story as it is. 3) Use the "I've got your boyfriend as a hostage, go fight the Avengers or he eats a bullet" and then have him die in the end anyway routine. That might go.
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Jun 11, 2014 18:23
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It just occurred to me that being an Eye cam victim would also work.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:03
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I'm very interested to see how they'll do Jessica's big traumatic fight with the Avengers. Obviously they can't just straight up shoot it but if it'll be shot in such a way that you can't tell what's going on, or she'll just expo dump it or if they'll change the reason she quit superheroing all together.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:09
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The Avengers are not going to show up in Alias, c'mon, they'll change it.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:10
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Yeah even though it's a Netflix series it's still Marvel. The budget will be tight, the only people that may appear from the films/Agents of SHIELD will be the Z list actors and Jessica won't have "issues". She'll be a retired hero from a bad fight with Purple Man (who won't have powers) who had blackmailed or tricked her into doing something bad.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:14
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Nah I think they are going to introduce Vision and his marriage to Scarlet Witch in the Netflix Marvel show and have Jessica straight up dodging a Chris Helmsworth-held Mjolnir!!!
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Jun 11, 2014 19:16
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Given that they had Hawkeye spend 90% of Avengers as a brainwashed lackey I don't think they'll do the exact same thing with Jessica
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Jun 11, 2014 19:20
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jscolon2.0 posted:It just occurred to me that being an Eye cam victim would also work. Well since she can't be a mutant, Jessica will have to get her powers elsewhere. Could go with her being a Deathlok who's on her own now that Garrett's part of HYDRA's been dissolved.
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jng2058 posted:Well since she can't be a mutant, Jessica will have to get her powers elsewhere. Could go with her being a Deathlok who's on her own now that Garrett's part of HYDRA's been dissolved. Jessica is never a mutant? She gets her powers in classic comic style of people carrying around tubs of nuclear waste in the back of an open truck.
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Huh. I always thought she was a mutant for some reason. But yeah, my Google-Fu says you are correct. How'd I miss all that? 
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Jun 11, 2014 20:05
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jng2058 posted:Huh. I always thought she was a mutant for some reason. But yeah, my Google-Fu says you are correct. How'd I miss all that? Read Alias  But yeah her condensed origin is basically bumping into every major Marvel hero/event at their origin point and going off an a tangent with it.
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Jun 11, 2014 21:04
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She went to HS with Peter Parker right?
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zoux posted:She went to HS with Peter Parker right? She had a huge crush on him and he never even noticed she existed
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Mister Nobody posted:She had a huge crush on him and he never even noticed she existed He knew her as coma girl
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zoux posted:She went to HS with Peter Parker right? Were it not for the fact that it's that well written she's the ultimate ~fan character~. She has a crush on Peter but is even less noticable than him and is there when he is bitten by the spider, she almost bumps into the truck that ends up hitting Daredevil, giving him his powers, she meets Thor as he just arrives in Earth, she wakes up from a coma as Galactus is standing outside her window on his first appearance on Earth and so on.
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Jun 11, 2014 21:14
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Alias was literally the first comic book series I ever read so I mostly had no idea what the gently caress was going on.
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Jun 11, 2014 21:21
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Waterhaul posted:she almost bumps into the truck that ends up hitting Daredevil, giving him his powers, she meets Thor as he just arrives in Earth When did these two happen?
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Argue posted:When did these two happen? It's been a while since I read my Alias omnibus, but I recall she lands on Thor on her first discovery of her flight powers. And to weigh in on the Purple Man debate. I think you have to do it. You can downplay the explicit sexual aspects, maybe, but even if you do, it's still a pretty clear metaphor. The whole thing is Bendis taking a page from Morrison's book and using superheroes to symbolically depict something in a pretty blatant manner. Jessica's final triumph is literally being able to deny Kilgrave having any power over her, with some help from her 'therapist' (Jean Grey in the comics). That arc is powerful and doesn't work unless you keep him exercising that power over her as a part of the story. Removing that element would've been drat near necessary for ABC, but Netflix airs a fantasy series that has a vampire going down on a girl because of uncontrollable bloodlust (yes, it's the joke you're thinking of), and a political drama that opens with dog murder. They're a bit more flexible.
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It being on Netflix or ABC is not the concern I'd have, more that it's still Marvel Studios and the same people behind things.Argue posted:When did these two happen? It's all the same issue Alias #22. Just after feeling ignored by Peter (not knowing that he's been bite by the spider) she almost gets run down by the truck that gives Matt his powers and then a few days later when she first learns to fly she ends up falling into the sea and Thor fishes her out, she pukes on him and swears. The last part is more presuming it's very early Thor.
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Waterhaul posted:It's all the same issue Alias #22. Just after feeling ignored by Peter (not knowing that he's been bite by the spider) she almost gets run down by the truck that gives Matt his powers The same truck also caused the TMNT to mutate. It was a very busy truck that day.
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Jun 12, 2014 16:25
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Wow, I never realized how far up their own rear end comic writers actually are.
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LorneReams posted:Wow, I never realized how far up their own rear end comic writers actually are. The Marvel Universe has always been connected and it was written in a real silver age way. I really do not see how Bendis is far up his own rear end in this case. As for the TMNT thing, the whole series was a satire of Frank Miller's Daredevil.
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LorneReams posted:Wow, I never realized how far up their own rear end comic writers actually are.  Huh?
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I don't even know what "up your own rear end" is even supposed to mean.
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Looks like the American Gods HBO series isn't happening http://www.vulture.com/2014/06/hbo-american-gods-what-happened.html?mid=twitter_vulture
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bobkatt013 posted:He knew her as coma girl I thought it was really interesting that the first time Peter unmasked, she had a really mature conversation about how she used to feel about him with Luke Cage, and then when Peter mind-wiped his secret ID from the world and unmasked right in front of her, she blurted out that she loved him, pissing Luke off, and Peter was like "Oh yeah, coma girl!" and poo poo was suuuper awkward between the three for a while.
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Dacap posted:Looks like the American Gods HBO series isn't happening Not unexpected after all this time but still disappointing. 
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So apparently some big news is that the Flash is supposed to be in the new movie universe they are planning, but not a single article I read mentioned whether it will be a different Flash, or the TV Flash, making the TV shows in continuity with the movie series.
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Good lord I hope they don't interact
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omg chael crash posted:Good lord I hope they don't interact I almost hate to suggest this, but that could be a perfect excuse to do a "Flash of Two Worlds" story.
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Dacap posted:Looks like the American Gods HBO series isn't happening
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Lurdiak posted:I thought it was really interesting that the first time Peter unmasked, she had a really mature conversation about how she used to feel about him with Luke Cage, and then when Peter mind-wiped his secret ID from the world and unmasked right in front of her, she blurted out that she loved him, pissing Luke off, and Peter was like "Oh yeah, coma girl!" and poo poo was suuuper awkward between the three for a while. The strange thing is I'm pretty sure Bendis wrote both issues of those issues, though I think the mature sounding one was a backup in an Annual or a milestone issue number or something.
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ToastyPotato posted:So apparently some big news is that the Flash is supposed to be in the new movie universe they are planning, but not a single article I read mentioned whether it will be a different Flash, or the TV Flash, making the TV shows in continuity with the movie series.
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notthegoatseguy posted:The strange thing is I'm pretty sure Bendis wrote both issues of those issues, though I think the mature sounding one was a backup in an Annual or a milestone issue number or something. There's nothing strange about it. It happened twice under different circumstances, with different results.
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Jun 14, 2014 08:17
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So, uh, Rat Queens is getting a TV series. Holy poo poo 
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404GoonNotFound posted:So, uh, Rat Queens is getting a TV series. Oh my god. This is gonna be awesome. I wonder where it'll air (read: pleaseplease oh god don't be edited/censored to hell and gone).
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