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Phoon posted:That module was really good though See despite the good teacher I hated all the Russia stuff, I'm not sure why. I liked studying Germany over the same period and despite having a less competent teacher for it I also loved the Whig Oligarchy, I guess Russia just never really clicked for me. Edit:1934-The Republican Congress forms in Ireland, founded by former IRA members dissatisfied with the organization's failure to strive towards setting up a socialist republic, it aimed to unite Catholics and Protestants and overthrow capitalism. Like many socialist organisations it quickly descended into infighting. StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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do we have the world's smallest violin ready for widdecombe?http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/06/18/ann-widdecombe-i-was-very-alienated-by-gay-marriage/ posted:Former Conservative MP Ann Widdecombe says David Cameron’s decision to legalise same-sex marriage left her feeling “alienated”.
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schadenfraud posted:I'm battling someone on Facebook about the 'Trojan Horse' schools thing and need some advice from people who have been following it properly. Total Meatlove posted:None of those accusations have been debunked and the inappropriately vetted speakers at school assemblies has been upheld. Looks like the facebook battle isn't going too well then. Here's the 21 schools reported on in detail if you're interested. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-27766973
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Cerv posted:do we have the world's smallest violin ready for widdecombe?
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Illuminti posted:Looks like the facebook battle isn't going too well then. The wikipedia page seems to have a reasonable summary. Park View school was initially cleared of any involvement in the plot by an Ofsted inspection. However, an unannounced inspection was then made subsequently and the conclusions became much more damning after that visit. The fact that there have been two inspections may have been responsible for confusion over whether the claims were unsubstantiated or not. The Telegraph has some specifics relating to Park View school, as well as some detail about a 72 page report written by one of the governors and published by the Muslim Council of Britain advocating changes to governorship and curriculum. quote:In his 72-page document, published by the Muslim Council of Britain in 2007, Mr Alam and his co-author, Muhammad Abdul Bari, attacked many state schools for not being “receptive of legitimate and reas-onable requests made by Muslim parents and pupils in relation to their faith-based aspirations and concerns.” Edit: Do non-Muslim pupils in the catchment area have any choice about whether they attend these schools? Prince John fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 17:35
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Guavanaut posted:Same-sex marriage has never been tried or tested? I'm curious what she thinks has been going on in South Africa, Canada, Scandinavia, and half of Western Europe. I was going to highlight that quote too, it made me chuckle. How would you 'try and test it'? Trial it in a small area and see how people cope with the  moral outrage ?
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Lily Allen has come out flying the red flag. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/lily-allens-message-to-the-coalition-go-fk-your-mum-9530291.html Can't say I was expecting that.
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Jun 18, 2014 19:53
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LemonDrizzle posted:Lily Allen has come out flying the red flag. We all know she'll come out in support for the loving New Labour Party - the last best hope for peace!
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Jun 18, 2014 20:15
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I like her I think she's good
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It's like when Lauren Laverne went Labour pretty much because she wasn't as famous as the Spice Girls.
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I wasn't too thrilled with her weirdly racist video about body image issues, but this is a cool thing to have done I think.
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Prince John posted:The Telegraph has some specifics relating to Park View school, as well as some detail about a 72 page report written by one of the governors and published by the Muslim Council of Britain advocating changes to governorship and curriculum. The telegraph is really sensationalising the contents of "Towards Greater Understanding..." there, as if it was some kind of manual for the "Trojan Horse" strategy. If you track down a copy (I remember reading bits of it before), there's a single page about school governors, page 59. Half of that page is taken up by a summary of what governors do in a school, I quote the rest before. Tahir Alam posted:Many schools, even those with a significant or high Muslim pupil population, have difficulty in recruiting governors from the Muslim community. Consequently, there is inadequate input from Muslim parents and the Muslim community. This can sometimes weaken or undermine the process of tackling and overcoming barriers which prevent children from achieving their full potential academically and in their spiritual, moral, social and cultural development. In addition to contributing to policies regarding all aspects of school life, the involvement of Muslim governors fulfils a key role in advising and contributing to issues which are of importance to Muslim pupils. Muslim governors can communicate the views and aspirations of Muslim parents and the local community in relation to the education of their children. I think it's a bit much for them to equate addressing an under-representation in governors with advocating a takeover of the entire body.
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Coohoolin posted:I wasn't too thrilled with her weirdly racist video about body image issues, but this is a cool thing to have done I think. Well, Labour are the perfect party for a stealthily racist white middle class feminist. 
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Jun 18, 2014 21:03
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Phoon posted:That module was really good though Anyone interested in Russia in that period might find the Fandorin novels by Boris Akunin interesting. I learnt a lot of history from them!
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Cerv posted:do we have the world's smallest violin ready for widdecombe? Aww. She feels alienated. Alienated like maybe she was a member of some social group that was being denied marriage by the state. It's so sad when you feel alienated by your inability to cause alienation in others.
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Jun 18, 2014 21:20
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LemonDrizzle posted:Lily Allen has come out flying the red flag. Isn't Keith a communist? Her god father was Joe Strummer so she's had a decent upbringing at least!
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Jun 18, 2014 21:22
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Bozza posted:Isn't Keith a communist? The only thing I know about him and his mum and his dad and his gran are off to Waterloo, him and his mum and his dad and his gran and a bucket of vindaloo. Na-na, na-na, na-na...
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TinTower posted:The only thing I know about him and his mum and his dad and his gran are off to Waterloo, him and his mum and his dad and his gran and a bucket of vindaloo. It's Coming Home, Tin. It's Coming Home.
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Jun 18, 2014 21:29
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Well this is cute and reminds me why I dislike Labour.
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Thought it would be a rabbit with a picture of tony blair
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What exactly is wrong with those plans? They're targeted at adults who do not have learning disabilities but have nevertheless failed to achieve primary school levels of literacy and numeracy; all they're suggesting is that people in that category should be obliged to attend remedial classes in order to receive financial support rather than just claiming the dole and remaining effectively incapable of joining the workforce.
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LemonDrizzle posted:What exactly is wrong with those plans? They're targeted at adults who do not have learning disabilities but have nevertheless failed to achieve primary school levels of literacy and numeracy; all they're suggesting is that people in that category should be obliged to attend remedial classes in order to receive financial support rather than just claiming the dole and remaining effectively incapable of joining the workforce. Is that what level 3 skills are? I was a bit confused by that.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Lily Allen has come out flying the red flag. Attention seeking singer does something to seek attention. Now if she called out Labour for being a huge pile of shite too, then maybe we'd have something interesting, but as it is she's just causing a bit of media grabbing stir against the political party that she safely knows no-one really likes.
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Paxo and Boris on a tandem bike. This is a beautiful send off!
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hookerbot 5000 posted:Is that what level 3 skills are? I was a bit confused by that. Level 3 Skills are A-Levels.
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quote:Miliband's move reflects a recognition of anger among some voters that some people are getting "something for nothing" out of the welfare system. A YouGov poll for the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR), the leading centre-left thinktank, published on Thursday, finds that 78% believe that the welfare system is failing to reward people who have worked and contributed to it. Hmm yes, people who have contributed aren't receiving high enough welfare payments = cut everyone else's payments so there's a relative difference. This is surely what everyone was hoping for! LemonDrizzle posted:What exactly is wrong with those plans? They're targeted at adults who do not have learning disabilities but have nevertheless failed to achieve primary school levels of literacy and numeracy; all they're suggesting is that people in that category should be obliged to attend remedial classes in order to receive financial support rather than just claiming the dole and remaining effectively incapable of joining the workforce. Where does it say that? I'm seeing talk of
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baka kaba posted:Hmm yes, people who have contributed aren't receiving high enough welfare payments = cut everyone else's payments so there's a relative difference. This is surely what everyone was hoping for! People without A-Levels will be placed on a different benefit which is sure to be lower. People without five years of NI will face a £15/wk penalty.
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TinTower posted:People without A-Levels will be placed on a different benefit which is sure to be lower. People without five years of NI will face a £15/wk penalty. Yeah sorry, it's 'not the higher rate' without the NI, but the article says his statement is going to involve plans to outright scrap JSA for people without Level 3s quote:The removal of jobseeker's allowance (JSA) for those with skills below level 3 would affect seven out of 10 of the 18-to-21-year-olds currently claiming JSA, and initially save £65m. quote:Labour officials said the switch in spending by abolishing JSA for young people was not designed to be punitive, but to incentivise them to train. The longer qualifying period for higher-rate JSA will mean those who qualify will be able to receive additional help worth as much as £20 to £30 a week, they added. That last sentence is pretty confusing - who'll get the additional help, people who complete the qualifying period, or people who haven't completed it but 'qualify for additional help'? Is this talking about raising the higher JSA rate, or does 'additional help' mean an increase to some other benefit? I mean, is this some bait and switch where - behold! - nobody's getting 'something for nothing' with JSA... those people are just getting another welfare payment with a different name instead? Are there any details anywhere? Because if there is an alternative welfare payment, this whole thing sounds like 'gently caress the scroungers' propagandising which nobody should be happy about
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"78% of voters think welfare system unfair" Is that another case of 'British public wrong about almost everything', or are they lumping every yes answer in together, so that someone who thinks that it is unfair that people are still reliant on food banks or being told they're fit for work by whichever shitheels have replaced ATOS in a country where the number of millionaires has risen rapidly is lumped into the same category as someone who thinks there's a 'something for nothing culture'?
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That's madness, you don't need A -levels for all kinds of jobs.
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Filboid Studge posted:That's madness, you don't need A -levels for all kinds of jobs. You didn't need university degrees for all sorts of jobs before people started realising you could make money off of people going to Uni.
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Here's an excellent insane school story from the UK today http://www.islandecho.co.uk/news/parents-remove-children-prison-school/ School gets turned into academy and head is replaced by former director of a borstal. Head replaces uniform at end of school year and places pupils who doesn't have the new uniform into solitary confinement.
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Guavanaut posted:"78% of voters think welfare system unfair" quote:Miliband's move reflects a recognition of anger among some voters that some people are getting "something for nothing" out of the welfare system. A YouGov poll for the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR), the leading centre-left thinktank, published on Thursday, finds that 78% believe that the welfare system is failing to reward people who have worked and contributed to it. So it's an open ended question really, you can answer in the affirmative and then parties can use it to justify whatever benefit policy they want to implement.
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Has there been an academy success story? I remember a story on This Morning that said some Primary School that increased it's hours to 9AM to 6PM had dramatic improvements ( Conveniently ignoring that the "horse riding and archery" classes would require a huge influx of money) but it didn't say if it was an academy or not.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Has there been an academy success story? I remember a story on This Morning that said some Primary School that increased it's hours to 9AM to 6PM had dramatic improvements ( Conveniently ignoring that the "horse riding and archery" classes would require a huge influx of money) but it didn't say if it was an academy or not. Lots of great schools get taken over and turned into academies when they run into temporary difficulty, so when they fix the issue and go back to being great again... it's an academy success! It's a bit like owing the mob money, and being a bit short when they come to collect
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Here's an excellent insane school story from the UK today http://www.islandecho.co.uk/news/parents-remove-children-prison-school/ Not that this particularly alters the tenor of the story, but 'isolation' is not the same thing as solitary confinement. It sounds like there's 150 pupils being kept out of lessons in the school hall. I don't particularly want to defend what's going on, but the long notification given and the rationale makes it seem slightly less batshit insane: quote:“At Ryde Academy we have high expectations of our students. As the weather has improved over the last couple of months, a number of uniform issues have become apparent amongst students. The Academy wrote to parents on 27 May 2014 about what was appropriate and there has been extensive discussion with students, as well as a number of assemblies since then. The Academy sent a second letter to parents on 9 June 2014 to inform them that there would be a uniform focus on the 17 June 2014. Parents were informed that if students’ uniform was still not correct on that date, then older students would be sent home to change and younger students would be educated apart until their uniform issues could be addressed. quote:“We would normally deal with uniform issues at the beginning of September. However we have a number of female students who have recently said that they are coming under peer pressure to wear their skirts shorter than they feel comfortable. It is not fair that girls should be made to feel uncomfortable when they are just following the uniform policy. We have therefore decided to act at this point in time, to correct uniform issues.
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baka kaba posted:Lots of great schools get taken over and turned into academies when they run into temporary difficulty, so when they fix the issue and go back to being great again... it's an academy success! Aye but are there any individual academies that the useless twat tories can point to and say "Look, it's working!" Because every story I see is "Religious extremests take over school" or "Unqualified psychopath runs school into ground, blames Rock and Roll music on failings"
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Right. I need arguments for 'why the benefits system is not in fact too generous and your complaining about "scroungers" is just buying into a narrative put forward by the ruling elite to justify their pillaging of the state'. I know it works on its own and I know the big problem is tax avoidance, the erosion of worker's rights, and the ruthless profit motive of business, not welfare fraud; but how the hell do you put that to an angry, alienated, uneducated person who just wants someone easy to blame and is frustrated that they're working their arse off for piss all while other people are being paid enough (just) to live by the state.
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ThomasPaine posted:Right. I need arguments for 'why the benefits system is not in fact too generous and your complaining about "scroungers" is just buying into a narrative put forward by the ruling elite to justify their pillaging of the state'. Ask them if they would trade places and then call them out on it when they start pretending that it's because they have dignity. Point out that people on benefits making as much as they do working isn't a sign that benefits are too high, but wages are too low. Or just call them a prick and get on with your own life.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Or just call them a prick and get on with your own life. I've been doing that up till now, but really it doesn't help anyone. They're often not bad people, just incredibly misinformed and genuinely buy into the 'dignity' narrative.
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