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Waverhouse posted:Does anyone have any names of higher level El Fuerte players I can watch to get some ideas from? I haven't played since about Vanilla and trying to get back into the game is pretty frustrating. iPeru is still the dude to emulate in the US as far as I know.
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Waverhouse posted:Does anyone have any names of higher level El Fuerte players I can watch to get some ideas from? I haven't played since about Vanilla and trying to get back into the game is pretty frustrating.
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Jun 20, 2014 02:49
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Waverhouse posted:Does anyone have any names of higher level El Fuerte players I can watch to get some ideas from? I haven't played since about Vanilla and trying to get back into the game is pretty frustrating. Pro Fluke from the UK Manny Fuerte from the US RSF is still your go-to, EX Q-Bomb is completely amazing now, and with red focus cancel can go right into your Ultra and/or RSF. Delayed wakeup does hurt his gameplan though..
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Jun 20, 2014 08:19
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:Not sure how much interest anyone has with this, but you can use those USF4 frame data apps on the Google Play store by emulating an Android device in VirtualBox. Does the one on the iTunes app store tell me what moves punish what? Because that is friggin' awesome and would improve my game tenfold.
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Jun 20, 2014 14:08
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:Not sure how much interest anyone has with this, but you can use those USF4 frame data apps on the Google Play store by emulating an Android device in VirtualBox. I have an intense desire to know more about this.
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Jun 20, 2014 18:15
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Gammatron 64 posted:Does the one on the iTunes app store tell me what moves punish what? Because that is friggin' awesome and would improve my game tenfold. Is that the official one that you pay for? No idea, sorry. These are all the options the free one supports  1 - Select character, enter two moves, gives the gap in frames between them. 2 - Select character, enter a frame number, gives all the possible permutations of two moves that have this gap in frames. 3 - Select a move from P2 character, lists everything that P1 can use to (theoretically) punish when blocked. 4 - Select character, enter a move, gives every possible link from that move and what sort of link they are (1-frame, 2-frame, etc). 5 - Full frame data for each character. 6 - Lets you write notes for each character yourself.
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Jun 20, 2014 18:31
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I don't know if anyone else has experienced this. I was playing with my brother one night, he threw out a Tiger Cannon, and I responded with demon flipping behind him and cancel into Ultra 1. I was clearly behind Sagat when the Ultra 1 activated, but once Akuma moved forward he was in front of him, missing the Ultra. We were like "WTF!?" and had a good laugh afterwards. I tried to recreate it in the training room but have not been able to, but once I do I'll post it here.
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Jun 20, 2014 20:02
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:Is that the official one that you pay for? No idea, sorry. drat, that looks like an amazingly powerful tool. Makes me wish I had an android. Or the dude made it a web application. 
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Jun 20, 2014 20:24
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doctor/prostitute posted:This is terrible advice. You'll get cheap wins against bad players but trying this against anyone decent (especially offline) will lead to you getting punished hard. I have no real advice because I hate playing grapplers but if you want to look up match videos you won't find anyone better to emulate than Snake Eyez, plus since he's American finding footage of him online is easy. Whenever I fire up hdremix I always end up getting matched with snake eyes. Dude is scary as hell. I beat him once using ken but that was forever ago.
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Oh man there were a whole 2 PEOPLE playing AE  e: Ultra bad stones forever KingShiro fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Jun 20, 2014 21:18
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Gammatron 64 posted:drat, that looks like an amazingly powerful tool. Makes me wish I had an android. Or the dude made it a web application. Funny you should mention that; I'm looking at possibly making a web app like this because of the lack of updated info on iOS and not having an Android device  The VM attempts aren't working so well for me thus far.
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Jun 20, 2014 21:45
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I grabbed that app on lunch and it is pretty great.
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Jun 20, 2014 22:36
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What is this bullshit?? where I sweep, get blocked, immediately start blocking but opponent's sweep still hits me but when I block a sweep, immediately sweep then the opponent blocks it????????????????
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Jun 20, 2014 23:16
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Not Al-Qaeda posted:What is this bullshit?? where I sweep, get blocked, immediately start blocking but opponent's sweep still hits me but when I block a sweep, immediately sweep then the opponent blocks it???????????????? Who are you playing as/against?
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Not Al-Qaeda posted:What is this bullshit?? where I sweep, get blocked, immediately start blocking but opponent's sweep still hits me but when I block a sweep, immediately sweep then the opponent blocks it???????????????? This could happen if you are Ryu vs. many other characters. The short answer here is that usually if a sweep has very fast startup, it is balanced by having slower recovery. Often the sweeps that are slower to start up are safer on block.
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Jun 20, 2014 23:21
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oh it depends on the characters? That's annoying.
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Jun 20, 2014 23:34
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Yes, all the characters are different. 
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Jun 20, 2014 23:43
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Ryu sweep startup: 5f. On block: -14. Gouken sweep startup: 6f. On block: -3. Ken sweep startup: 8f. On block: -6. Honda sweep startup: 14f. On block: +2. Game's weird.
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Jun 21, 2014 00:07
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:Yes, all the characters are different. Now it seems funny but when I started playing Street Fighter it took me quite a while to realize that pretty much everything about every character is different in one way or another. Until then there was a lot of swearing at "why doesn't this work anymore, it worked before?!".
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It's still weird that you(he) would punish a sweep with sweep to me. I guess if you are Ryu or someone you at least get a setup off sweep every time.
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At the level where you just started playing and don't know that every character's normal is different, I wouldn't expect much more than a sweep punish. It's honestly impressive that he knows he should be trying to punish considering how new he sounds.
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Why does no one pick up the knife
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Not Al-Qaeda posted:Why does no one pick up the knife There are few easier ways to do that final chip damage. Knife is great for that.
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Not Al-Qaeda posted:Why does no one pick up the knife Cody's punch normals are really good and you're going to end up dropping the knife to do useful things like fadc anyway. Most people just don't think its worth it, although you can now combo into/out of knife pickup so there might be some utility there but no one has really tried it other than Desk afaik.
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I've made use of the knife in a lot of matches, but it depends on who you're fighting. Making the recovery of picking it up faster makes it easier to just go for it as well.
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are you gootecks
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ShortThug posted:are you gootecks Only when I have the knife.
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Ixiggle posted:Cody's punch normals are really good and you're going to end up dropping the knife to do useful things like fadc anyway. Most people just don't think its worth it, although you can now combo into/out of knife pickup so there might be some utility there but no one has really tried it other than Desk afaik. Then again, I have NEVER played Cody and the knife could be absolute poo poo. So what do I know. But I like to think that Cody was built in such a way that if someone really spent all their time building a gameplan that consisted ENTIRELY around getting the knife, keeping it, being able to retrieve it when knocked away, and punishing their opponent for focusing too much on trying to keep him away from the knife, he'd be the best character in the game. But that's probably not the case just play Balrog or Yun or whatever.
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Ixiggle posted:Cody's punch normals are really good and you're going to end up dropping the knife to do useful things like fadc anyway. Most people just don't think its worth it, although you can now combo into/out of knife pickup so there might be some utility there but no one has really tried it other than Desk afaik. Cody's knife normals are arguably even better, particularly j.hp as a jumpin and c.hp as an antiair. Using the knife against someone like Balrog or Dudley can be rage-inducing for the other player.
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If I'm cody I would much rather have access to my b+mp and f+mp than knife cr.hp. With the knife you have better pokes (knife st.jab is rolento-tier) but worse ability to mount an actual offense. It's better not to have the knife in enough matchups that I usually completely ignore it. that said, knife cr.hp > cr.lk xx stuff is pretty baller
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Huh I guess Rolento knife does not count as a projectile? Hit me out EX dive with Hawk multiple times(hawk ex dive projectile immune until his feet touches the ground).
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AFAIK it behaves the same way as Ibuki's kunai, strike hitbox that disappears if it collides with any attack. The hitbox on dive is really terrible so you'll lose to it clean rather than knocking it away. Presumably knives were implemented that way so they couldn't erase "real" projectiles.
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Anything special about Hawk's EX condor dive in air? Is it invincible or safe or anything in particular? Also, Hugo and Poison best newcomers imo. Rolento I find a bit lacking in this version.
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uncleKitchener posted:Anything special about Hawk's EX condor dive in air? Is it invincible or safe or anything in particular? It gives you projectile invincibility over the normal Condor Dive, handy for fighting assholes like Juri and Sagat that have projectiles with tall hitboxes. I think it's also a bit faster, but you can boot up training mode and test that one yourself. Also all Condor Dives are hugely unsafe, never do one against U1 Chun Li or any other character with a fast, far-reaching Ultra.
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I'm doing some PS3 sessions for the rest of the day. Shoot me an invite for some matches at AlexSanteria.
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uncleKitchener posted:Anything special about Hawk's EX condor dive in air? Is it invincible or safe or anything in particular? T.Hawk owns.
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So I went back to learning basics with the last bits of critique I got from you all. With that I went back to Ryu since most of his gameplay and skills needed to be successful is in the core fundamentals. I've got four new matches and is love some more critique. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLZ3Ps01MfPW_oqTeZju_g-TJFt4lfGY
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TheManSeries posted:So I went back to learning basics with the last bits of critique I got from you all. With that I went back to Ryu since most of his gameplay and skills needed to be successful is in the core fundamentals. I've got four new matches and is love some more critique. You at least have a proto-fireball game and you're looking for and landing some anti-airs. You are unfortunately still throwing out a million unsafe sweeps for no reason, but they are rarely punishing you for it. A good player will. You punished some stuff, but you also let a lot of really unsafe stuff go unpunished like rekkas from Rolento. I saw you punish with raw DP and also with cr. mk xx fireball. Way better than nothing, but go for close fierce xx DP for an easy and decent punish. You also are still knocking people down into the corner and jumping full screen away and letting them go for free. Also PLEASE stop doing random full screen tatsus. Tatsu is a move you should use comboing into it or using it as a jumping crossup. In rare situations you can take a big risk and try to go through a fireball with it, but that only works as a read and not a reaction. Basically stop doing this move unless it's in a combo, and learn how to crossup with it. You need to watch some videos that teach blockstrings with Ryu, because right now you have no offense. You are at least trying to throw meaty fireballs onto them when they wakeup, but you're usually mistiming them. Meaty fireball is a decent option in many situations, but you need to also be able to jump-in with meaty crossups and do blockstrings on their wakeup. The best thing you could do though is to play against someone good for extended sets every so often. Play someone who you can talk to after you play and who will do their best to punish your bad habits. The people you are playing in these videos are all really bad and it's not helping you get better.
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TheManSeries posted:So I went back to learning basics with the last bits of critique I got from you all. With that I went back to Ryu since most of his gameplay and skills needed to be successful is in the core fundamentals. I've got four new matches and is love some more critique. Post matches you lose, not matches you win. Stop throwing out random moves when the enemy is all the way across the screen. Learn one full punish for when you are standing adjacent to an enemy and they whiff a move. Learn one full punish for when you jump in and successfully land your air attack. Practice absorbing fireballs with a focus to avoid damage and gain meter. It will also keep your opponent guessing as to what you are going to do next. Learn how to pressure your opponent by staying close and using a series of mixups to keep them guessing. Practice using forward and back dash. Watch some pro Ryu players and get a sense for what they do with the character. If you achieve a level of expertise, be my guest and create your own style. Until then, learn from the best.
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