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hookerbot 5000 posted:My mum said the same, she used to leave us alone in the flat when her and dad went to dinner parties in other peoples flats. It's like people that used to leave their babies in prams outside cafes for an hour and never thought twice about it. They still do leave them outside cafes in sub zero temperatures in Nordic countries. Cultural differences!
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thehustler posted:Michael Fabricant really is a horrible little man. You missed the personal apology! quote:In another Tweet he said: "Sorry @y_alibhai if you actually thought I would punch you. I actually don't do that sort of thing. But you are utterly infuriating! xx"
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Ddraig posted:A comedian who I can't remember the name of once said magazines like a hello and OK are for casual psychopaths because of the completely radical tone difference even on a single page. Like, a picture of a happy smiling person on the cover with I WAS FORCED TO EAT MY LEGS TO SURVIVE as one of the main stories. edit: my nana used to always have stacks of those magazines, my favourite ever headline was "My nipple fell off in the bath!" 
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Gonzo McFee posted:Because he is an MP and she is a Muslim woman and you can get away with saying that to her. Of course, had she been a billionaire author who supported independence for Scotland you'd have thought those people were as bad as Fabricant.
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Jedit posted:Of course, had she been a billionaire author who supported independence for Scotland you'd have thought those people were as bad as Fabricant. They're both loving terrible, I'm just pointing out the disparity of reaction from the police.
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Gonzo McFee posted:They're both loving terrible, I'm just pointing out the disparity of reaction from the police. There is no disparity. The police did nothing on the Rowling case until 5 days after the abuse and only started an investigation after somebody made a complaint to them. I haven't seen anything to suggest a complaint has been made to the police for the Alibhai-Brown tweet and only 1 day has passed since it happened. Perhaps nobody has made a complaint because making a terrible attempt at humour at someone's expense isn't a criminal offence, whereas a concerted campaign of direct abuse is? Prince John fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Jun 20, 2014 17:18
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Prince John posted:There is no disparity. The police did nothing on the Rowling case until 5 days after the abuse and only started an investigation after somebody made a complaint to them. Non white women get dogs abuse on twitter every day and nothing is ever done about it. Hell, 4chan recently started a campaign to purely target black women who identified as feminists.
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baka kaba posted:You missed the personal apology! "Sorry you got offended/felt threatened" kind of apology, nice. Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Jun 20, 2014 17:29
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Prince John posted:There is no disparity. The police did nothing on the Rowling case until 5 days after the abuse and only started an investigation after somebody made a complaint to them. The nationalist threats and abuse against Rowling have been made in all seriousness and have not (TTBOMK) been retracted or apologised for, so it's not the same at all. A better example would have been that guy who was sacked for making an obvious joke threat on Twitter to blow up Nottingham airport. He and Fabricant both made a stupid tweet and retracted it, but he was punished and it's doubtful Fabricant will be.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Non white women get dogs abuse on twitter every day and nothing is ever done about it. Hell, 4chan recently started a campaign to purely target black women who identified as feminists. That 4chan campaign is pretty outrageous. I'd be interested to know how many of those black women are actually reporting the abuse to the police as opposed to not bothering because "they know it won't do anything". ^^ Sorry, I meant there is no disparity in police response. I agree with you that the JK Rowling abuse is not comparable with this latest tweet. Prince John fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Kurtofan posted:"Sorry you felt threatened" kind of apology, nice. I got more of a "oh darling I wouldn't really hurt you, you just really know how to push my buttons  " vibekiss kiss
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Gonzo McFee posted:Non white women get dogs abuse on twitter every day and nothing is ever done about it. Hell, 4chan recently started a campaign to purely target black women who identified as feminists. Not just black women. One of my (white) mates who's a vocal feminist and sex worker got hit by a load of the fake accounts they'd made too.
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Prince John posted:That 4chan campaign is pretty outrageous. I'd be interested to know how many of those black women are actually reporting the abuse to the police as opposed to not bothering because "they know it won't do anything". They report it all the time and are constantly told that there is nothing they can do.
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glitchkrieg posted:Not just black women. One of my (white) mates who's a vocal feminist and sex worker got hit by a load of the fake accounts they'd made too. Out of interest, did she have any luck going to the police? Or did she let it slide? 4Chan 
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Jedit posted:The nationalist threats and abuse against Rowling have been made in all seriousness and have not (TTBOMK) been retracted or apologised for, so it's not the same at all. A better example would have been that guy who was sacked for making an obvious joke threat on Twitter to blow up Nottingham airport. He and Fabricant both made a stupid tweet and retracted it, but he was punished and it's doubtful Fabricant will be. On the other hand, twitter users have been jailed for 'being grossly offensive' in the absence of any threat, like the guy that joked about the Ann Maguire stabbing, so maybe there's an angle there, as subjective and ridiculous as those kind of laws can be.
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Kraxis posted:That was one of the many things that utterly mystified me about my ex-girlfriend, she'd read these harrowing novels and auto-biographies about people who'd had the very worst things happen to them along with watching those stupid pet rescue programmes that feature tortured or abandoned animals. She'd deliberately and intentionally go out of her way to make herself upset. For fun. Well the animal ones I can understand, you watch shows like that to see them getting helped and nursed back to health and seeing the fuckers responsible caught and punished. I can't watch shows like that myself, because the abuse part is far too upsetting to me, but I can understand it. The "Painful Lives" stuff though, I got nothing. First time I saw that shelf in Waterstones I did a double-take, it made no sense that people would want to read it. Write about it, sure, that makes a lot of sense, but reading about what other people have gone through in such an extended and horrible fashion? Makes perfect sense - if you're a sadist.
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Prince John posted:For what criminal offence? "Crap! Robin Hood airport is closed. You've got a week and a bit to get your poo poo together, otherwise I'm blowing the airport sky high!!"
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Heavy_D posted:"Crap! Robin Hood airport is closed. You've got a week and a bit to get your poo poo together, otherwise I'm blowing the airport sky high!!" I must have missed that episode of Thunderbirds.
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Mister Adequate posted:Well the animal ones I can understand, you watch shows like that to see them getting helped and nursed back to health and seeing the fuckers responsible caught and punished. I can't watch shows like that myself, because the abuse part is far too upsetting to me, but I can understand it. The "Painful Lives" stuff though, I got nothing. First time I saw that shelf in Waterstones I did a double-take, it made no sense that people would want to read it. Write about it, sure, that makes a lot of sense, but reading about what other people have gone through in such an extended and horrible fashion? Makes perfect sense - if you're a sadist. Or a victim. If you're reading about someone who had it worse than you, you know it can be worse; if they had it as bad as you, you know you're not alone; and if they had it better than you, you know you can sell a book about it. Even for people who aren't victims of abuse, that first one makes sense. In times of economic hardship the two movie genres that do best are musicals and horror.
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Heavy_D posted:"Crap! Robin Hood airport is closed. You've got a week and a bit to get your poo poo together, otherwise I'm blowing the airport sky high!!" The Paul Chambers case was extraordinary really and it still baffles me that it was only pushed because the top brass at DPP wanted it to.
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Gonzo McFee posted:They report it all the time and are constantly told that there is nothing they can do. I'm going to actually verify this; I got a pretty nasty threat levelled my way so I reported it to Twitter support and to the police. The officer who dealt with the incident told me "I'll be honest, this isn't going to end up in court, but we'll log it as an incident anyway."
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TinTower posted:I'm going to actually verify this; I got a pretty nasty threat levelled my way so I reported it to Twitter support and to the police. The officer who dealt with the incident told me "I'll be honest, this isn't going to end up in court, but we'll log it as an incident anyway." Well that's clearly your fault for not being a cis billionare.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Well that's clearly your fault for not being a cis billionare. I even mentioned the Caroline Criado-Perez case too. 
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TinTower posted:I even mentioned the Caroline Criado-Perez case too. Real Talk: That is lovely as hell and I'm really sorry for anything you have to go through for being who you are. Never ceases to amaze me how much abuse people seem to get for voicing an opinion while not being white, straight and male. 
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Jedit posted:Or a victim. If you're reading about someone who had it worse than you, you know it can be worse; if they had it as bad as you, you know you're not alone; and if they had it better than you, you know you can sell a book about it. Even for people who aren't victims of abuse, that first one makes sense. In times of economic hardship the two movie genres that do best are musicals and horror. That does make sense. I had a pretty lovely childhood (though not enough to write such a book, thank christ) but never found such things particularly appealing.
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Plod (and ISPs, and website owners) don't want to touch most online abuse cases, absent some large exterior force, because they feel (with perhaps a touch of justification) that most cases are an absolute quagmire that requires a massive amount of effort to unpick. So they'll only act either in the presence of the aforementioned exterior force (large-scale press attention for example) or where there's a really clear and unambiguous offence (the Maguire cases, and even then that was against two people already known to them and with some outside pressure). We're still in the very early days of online interaction and the law works very slowly (by design). At the moment we#re still working out where things fit into the existing framework, and that process has to finish before anyone even thinks of beginning to change that framework.
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Well all the footballing chatted among my fellow students has been nipped in the bud, lovely. Worst performance ever is it?
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Lord Twisted posted:Well all the footballing chatted among my fellow students has been nipped in the bud, lovely. Worst performance ever is it?
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Between the 1962 and 1982, we only got through qualifying once. But yeah, worst performance since failing to qualify since Euro 2008, at the very least.
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Today I learnt around 30 schools in the UK using some terrible American Evangelist curriculum which includes creationism/evolution is a lie and claims there is no biological difference between homosexual and straight people therefore making it a learnt behaviour.  Gove, ban this sick foreign filth.
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A Sloth posted:Today I learnt around 30 schools in the UK using some terrible American Evangelist curriculum which includes creationism/evolution is a lie and claims there is no biological difference between homosexual and straight people therefore making it a learnt behaviour. You're waiting to jump in and say "Well why aren't you mad about Muslims."
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TinTower posted:Between the 1962 and 1982, we only got through qualifying once. Scotland qualified three times  .Before 1998; Scotland actually had one of the better qualifying records. Things have changed since then, but unless disaster strikes we might actually have a chance to qualify for the next World Cup...
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There's a Steiner school near my flat. gently caress that.
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Gonzo McFee posted:You're waiting to jump in and say "Well why aren't you mad about Muslims." My cunning ruse has been foiled, Actually no I wasn't.
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thehustler posted:There's a Steiner school near my flat. gently caress that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFoC3TR5rzI
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A Sloth posted:Today I learnt around 30 schools in the UK using some terrible American Evangelist curriculum which includes creationism/evolution is a lie and claims there is no biological difference between homosexual and straight people therefore making it a learnt behaviour. I believe it already is banned, evolution is part of the science national curriculum which all community schools must teach and most academies do teach. The guidance on free schools was changed in 2012 to bar groups that preach creationism from setting up free schools, and remove funding from existing schools. Gonzo McFee posted:You're waiting to jump in and say "Well why aren't you mad about Muslims." There was, and maybe still is, a lot of funding and text books from Saudi coming into the UK for Muslim schools, and this was/is a bit of a worry because of the Wahhabism not the Islam. thehustler posted:There's a Steiner school near my flat. gently caress that. Eurgh. Homeopathy and hippy teachers. HortonNash fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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HortonNash posted:The guidance on free schools was changed in 2012 to bar groups that preach creationism from setting up free schools, and remove funding from existing schools. This makes it sound like creationism was only banned a few days ago: http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/18/secular-triumph-as-government-bans-creationism-from-free-sch Gotta love the original weasel wording from the DfE site in 2011 quote:Are Free Schools permitted to teach creationism/intelligent design and obliged to teach evolution? We sure wouldn't expect that to happen, no sir! Also this is great: Ed Miliband's Sun endorsement 'will not happen again' quote:His meeting with Mitchell follows a remarkable interview with Labour Deputy leader Harriet Harman, in which she sought to defend Miliband's endorsement of the paper. baka kaba fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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baka kaba posted:
Christ they are all so insipid.
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Clegg's not going to get away with it either. Cosying up to Murdoch might swing more than a few local parties against him.
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Funny, I don't even remember seeing the Deputy Prime Minister joining in. Just more important and influential figures like the mayor of London and Farage. 
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