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Lottery of Babylon posted:Insects are usually green (most insects) or black (insects associated with poison or decomposition), right? (Or occasionally red for things like fire ants.) Which color are non-poisonous flying insects meant to be without upsetting the almighty color pie? Black? Hornet Queen being black makes perfect sense mechanically. You even said it yourself, black is associated with poisonous insects and Hornet Queen has deathtouch. One of green's weaknesses is that while it has the biggest creatures, it also has the worst evasion. If green can't win on the ground it's supposed to have a hard time winning. Giving green a highly evasive creature (6 power spread over 5 bodies with flying and deathtouch) completely eliminates that weakness.
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Kabanaw posted:Black? Hornet Queen being black makes perfect sense mechanically. You even said it yourself, black is associated with poisonous insects and Hornet Queen has deathtouch. While I am sympathetic to your cause I am not sure a Hornet Queen fits into the black part of the color pie, she creates little baby tokens and nurtures them which doesn't fit with the colors morals and pursuits. Perhaps Hamster Queen would be better? It has babies but then eats them when it comes into play. This would also keep flying out of black which it doesn't frequently see on its insects.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:25
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Whoa, does that see sideboard play in Legacy? It feels like it should.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:26
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Gyshall posted:What about Birds of Paradise? That's really basically a Time Walk though, completely different.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:26
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Vomax posted:Maybe he just really hates hornets? Hornet Sting earned his ire as well. Maro doesn't hate green fliers, Maro hates green direct damage, which Hornet Sting is.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:26
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Is it really worth squabbling over the colour pie and whether or not Birds being green violates the colour pie when every single colour just got a 6/6 for 6, a fact that takes a big steaming dump on this argument?
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Jun 26, 2014 19:26
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The biggest issue with breaking the color pie is that it allows people to play fewer colors than the might otherwise to mitigate their weaknesses. Breaking it can be fine in small doses, but I agree with MaRo trying to be as hardline as possible since things will slip in no matter what. There's already a lot of bleeding between colors anyway, especially in eternal formats where there are already color pie violators or cards that used to fit the color pie but don't now due to shifts in design philosophy.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:29
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TheKingofSprings posted:Is it really worth squabbling over the colour pie and whether or not Birds being green violates the colour pie when every single colour just got a 6/6 for 6, a fact that takes a big steaming dump on this argument? No it... doesn't...? what
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Jun 26, 2014 19:30
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And moths are white for some reason, excpet for Hawkeater Moth.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:32
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Every colour has been able to get big X/X creatures for X at high rarities forever now. It's at common and uncommon where it really matters that green has bigger creatures than anyone else.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:33
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Kabanaw posted:Black? Hornet Queen being black makes perfect sense mechanically. You even said it yourself, black is associated with poisonous insects and Hornet Queen has deathtouch. I don't think giving green a decent flier for 7 mana completely eliminates the weakness of having no cheaper fliers, honestly.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:39
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Venomous  Also I'm far too excited to get Hornet Queen in M15.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:43
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Bugsy posted:And moths are white for some reason, excpet for Hawkeater Moth. Moths like light, so that makes perfect sense.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:45
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mcmagic posted:Ummm slightly worse Oblivion Stone. 
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Jun 26, 2014 19:51
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Jun 26, 2014 19:53
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That would be pretty good if young pyro got reprinted.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:56
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Entropic posted:Whoa, does that see sideboard play in Legacy? It feels like it should.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:56
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Mortimer posted:The color pie is dumb. It's actually extremely important, color identity is critical to shaping the game and the play experience. How many times have you, without thinking much about it, saw a Mountain come down on the other side of the table and thought "crap, now I might get burned out"? Or an Island and thought "crap, missed my chance to resolve that spell"? Color is the language of magic and ignoring the color pie completely would be a terrible mistake. Maro does fight over the wrong issues sometimes though, I agree. I don't think the occasional flying green creature, especially at 7CMC and Rare, is going to hurt the game.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:57
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Minority Deport posted:
That "Your creatures can help you cast the spell" just makes me think of everyone dancing in unison to cast this stuff. And that would honestly make for some stylish spell casting.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:03
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The color pie would be meaningful if it was a robust piece of game theory worked on and then given to a new development team who used it to form a concrete foundation. As is there are so many baffling and absurd recent exceptions they obviously don't attend to it or care about it, it's just something they throw out that people fight about like power levels or comic book style who wins in a fight.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:03
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Minority Deport posted:
Convoke isn't great in aggro decks...
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Jun 26, 2014 20:04
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While I agree that this is indeed an insect the important thing is that its a Human Insect; Delver of Secrets is legendary for being an allegory towards Die Verwandlung, better known as The Metamorphosis, a popular Novella by famous absurdist Franz Kafka. Thematically the aberration is meant to evoke revulsion, and when destroying Delver players you are meant to experience the relief that the Samsa family feels when Gregor dies Its the most literary provocative Legacy deck that requires you to experience self examination while you sign your match slip.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:04
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Gyshall posted:What about Birds of Paradise? drat I'm at work so I don't have my image to refer to...is this on the MTG Bingo Sheet?!
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Jun 26, 2014 20:05
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rabidsquid posted:While I agree that this is indeed an insect the important thing is that its a Human Insect; Delver of Secrets is legendary for being an allegory towards Die Verwandlung, better known as The Metamorphosis, a popular Novella by famous absurdist Franz Kafka. Thematically the aberration is meant to evoke revulsion, and when destroying Delver players you are meant to experience the relief that the Samsa family feels when Gregor dies Ah, yes, I can see the metaphor in full effect when my sword wielding mother promptly burns Gregor after smacking my opponent in the face.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:06
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Minority Deport posted:
This is really cool. Four damage for 4 mana isn't a bad rate, and the convoke can definitely be useful when you're in a board stall and just need to burn them out. Seems kind of like a fixed Fireblast in that it's a 4 damage burn spell that doesn't necessarily need mana.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:07
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:This is really cool. Four damage for 4 mana isn't a bad rate, and the convoke can definitely be useful when you're in a board stall and just need to burn them out. Seems kind of like a fixed Fireblast in that it's a 4 damage burn spell that doesn't necessarily need mana. It's also an instant, so you can play defensive properly while still making full use of it. That might not be red's traditional best place to be at, but it still works very well overall.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:08
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Zemyla posted:It sees play to the point where entire decks are named after it (Delver). Because it's a 3/2 flyer for 1. I'd swear when I clicked quote on that it was a link to Seedtime. Or I just quoted the wrong post.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:10
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mcmagic posted:Convoke isn't great in aggro decks... worth noting that it lets you cast a cheap creature and then tap it immediately to help the burn spell. That said, yeah, I don't think it's good enough for constructed. Very nice in limited, though.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:17
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Entropic posted:I'd swear when I clicked quote on that it was a link to Seedtime. Or I just quoted the wrong post. You quoted the wrong post. :p. I have a shiny Seedtime I'm considering throwing it in my Jund sideboard as a 1-of. Also with Hidetsugu's Second Rite because I hate intelligent deck building. I figure with Grove and Punishing Fire I can get their life to 10 in either direction. I only need to do it once and I'll take it out and never use it again. Inspired by this video. The last game is the best thing. suicidesteve fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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Minority Deport posted:
drat, between this and Raise the Alarm my RW token burn deck is going to be insane in super standard.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:18
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Minority Deport posted:
This card will be dope as hell in boros. RR for 4 damage is good. E: Also always gonna call this spell "Stroke the flames"
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rabidsquid posted:While I agree that this is indeed an insect the important thing is that its a Human Insect; Delver of Secrets is legendary for being an allegory towards Die Verwandlung, better known as The Metamorphosis, a popular Novella by famous absurdist Franz Kafka. I thought it was referencing The Fly (the film, probably the Cronenberg one, although there have been others IIRC), considering Innistrad's whole classic horror theme.
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Serperoth posted:I thought it was referencing The Fly (the film, probably the Cronenberg one, although there have been others IIRC), considering Innistrad's whole classic horror theme. You are correct. http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/78120015357/hey-its-my-bday-and-i-have-always-loved-delver-of quote:darkspace3000 said: Hey it's my bday, and I have always loved Delver of Secrets, is their any cool facts about delver?
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Serperoth posted:I thought it was referencing The Fly (the film, probably the Cronenberg one, although there have been others IIRC), considering Innistrad's whole classic horror theme. rabidsquid made a pretty good post and i'd appreciate if you would not do this.
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rabidsquid posted:While I agree that this is indeed an insect the important thing is that its a Human Insect; Delver of Secrets is legendary for being an allegory towards Die Verwandlung, better known as The Metamorphosis, a popular Novella by famous absurdist Franz Kafka. Thematically the aberration is meant to evoke revulsion, and when destroying Delver players you are meant to experience the relief that the Samsa family feels when Gregor dies
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Zemyla posted:Delver of Secrets isn't the only Human Insect anymore. cue pedantic reply about changeling
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Jun 26, 2014 20:27
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A bit late to this but I'm pretty sure Maro said he's ok with a small amount of flying in green. Edit for quote: "Green does flying very infrequently and of the five colors is a distant fifth at flying." http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/74986451735/
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Samael posted:
Was chatting with a friend about him. I *think* you can cast Captain turn 3, attack on 4 using him to cheat in Brimaz, but I don't know if Brimaz would then create an attacking token in that instance or not.
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Evil Badman posted:Was chatting with a friend about him. I *think* you can cast Captain turn 3, attack on 4 using him to cheat in Brimaz, but I don't know if Brimaz would then create an attacking token in that instance or not. I don't think so.
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