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Astroman posted:As much as I sperged out over the Valeyard reference and have wanted them to revisit that since Trial of a Timelord, I don't think it's going to happen. I have a feeling Moffat has left behind most of the "Doctor at the end of his life arc" with the new cycle. I'm betting the vibe is essentially "new lease on life" and a lot of that old mythos is dead. And I'm ok with that. That's funny that you think Moffat is going to let anything go ever without smearing his clever all over it.
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The Valeyard is definitely an interesting concept for the Doctor to be as the 'current' doctor and not some future regeneration. Does Moffat have the balls to do this do you think? It looks like he going down a darker road (I hope) and the new trailer with the Tardis console lit up with red lights could be a little clue.
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Jun 29, 2014 08:59
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They're not doing the Valeyard. They'll never do the Valeyard. What Moffat is doing is re-re-raking the sandpit, because he's Stairs posted:smearing his clever all over it.
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Jun 29, 2014 11:40
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Yeah, having Peter be the Valeyard isn't the point. It's multi episode amnesia storyline not because it will be interesting or cool or unique but because Moffat gets to recreate the Doctor in his image. A new origin story for a new set of regenerations. It's Moffat getting a great big stamp and slapping it down over all future versions of the Doctor. "He doesn't remember any of that old poo poo, just the stuff I've created from here on."
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Jun 29, 2014 14:12
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I'm gonna laugh so hard when the "amnesia storyline" lasts about ten minutes.
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Jun 29, 2014 14:26
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PriorMarcus posted:Yeah, having Peter be the Valeyard isn't the point. It's multi episode amnesia storyline not because it will be interesting or cool or unique but because Moffat gets to recreate the Doctor in his image. A new origin story for a new set of regenerations. It's Moffat getting a great big stamp and slapping it down over all future versions of the Doctor. Which isn't the worst thing IMO. After all, so many people complain about the show disappearing up it's own rear end with old continuity references (not me though, I love them). How it's inaccessible to fans to trot out stuff from 30 years ago and Moffat needs to be more forward thinking. Well now he's doing that. He got it out of his system, and we fans have had our cake and ate it too with the 50th. I now have zero issue with him jettisoning most of the old school references. I know they are still there and will show up, but I'm not burning for them to bring back The Rani (in show as opposed to BF), The Valeyard, etc. Christ, we had the loving Great Intelligence as a multi-ep big bad, all the old Doctors on screen, etc etc. We got it in spades, now we can move on. I'm not saying Moffat will or should start to ignore the old show, I'm just saying he'll probably dial it back and that should be ok with most everyone. It's kind of like having Capaldi break the mold by being an "older" Doctor...after 3 younger and younger faces, it looked like that was the way it would always be. But now we have Capaldi. So if the next 2 Doctors are 30, I'm not going to worry, because Capaldi proved it was an option and he can always be old again. Moffat showed us they can do continuity heavy stuff last year, so I'm ok with a few years of doing totally new stuff. Also, why shouldn't Moffat get to put his stamp on the show? Didn't RTD? Didn't JN-T? Won't the next executive producer do the same? If a person is showrunner with no vision, and they just carefully steward the show as some sort of staid monoculture that can't be deviated from it will probably get in a rut fast and fail like it did in the 80s. Just because you don't like him personally or disagree with his stance on social issues, it's no reason to say he has no right to come up with a direction and plan for the show--it's basically his job, and at least he's a fan and not an outsider. Be careful what you wish for, because the next showrunner might not be Gatiss--it could be someone who's "only seen a few of those Doctor Who shows as a kid and really wants to reimagine it for a relevant modern audience with an exciting new direction" and thinks Geordi is an alien. Astroman fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Jun 29, 2014 |
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Jun 29, 2014 14:28
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docbeard posted:I'm gonna laugh so hard when the "amnesia storyline" lasts about ten minutes. Just have the Doctor have a mild case of dementia so he has to describe something mundane because he forgot its name.
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computer parts posted:Just have the Doctor have a mild case of dementia so he has to describe something mundane because he forgot its name. Or ends up mistakenly strangling his companion on the floor of the TARDIS. That worked out well the first time! (Your idea sounds funny, though, and I wouldn't mind seeing it)
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Two, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight, Ten and Eleven all had a period of "I'm not quite sure who I am yet" soon after their regenerations. Six and Ten in particular have long "What kind of person am I now?" sort of conversations, without any amnesia. I think it's a little early to think that the quote "Am I a good man?" means "multi-episode amnesia plot." Given that they've said Capaldi will be a bit of a harsher Doctor, it could actually just be him reconciling his history with his new personality.
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Bicyclops posted:Two, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight, Ten and Eleven all had a period of "I'm not quite sure who I am yet" soon after their regenerations. Six and Ten in particular have long "What kind of person am I now?" sort of conversations, without any amnesia. I think it's a little early to think that the quote "Am I a good man?" means "multi-episode amnesia plot." I'm honestly hoping that the "Am I a good man?" bit is totally separate from the amnesia plot and is him doing something terrible for the right reasons and reflecting on in, especially in light of his past.
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Jun 29, 2014 20:11
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All of the poetic waxing the new Doctors have done so far in the new series has been pretty uninteresting.
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:I'm honestly hoping that the "Am I a good man?" bit is totally separate from the amnesia plot and is him doing something terrible for the right reasons and reflecting on in, especially in light of his past. It might be that and there might not even be an amnesia plot.
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Jun 29, 2014 21:56
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If 12 can't remember anything from previous who how does he know when and where the big doc party is in day of the doctor
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He'll remember halfway through his regeneration story, like 8 does. Then he'll talk about shoes for a minute. Then he'll go save Gallifrey.
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The same person who leaked the entire Name of the Doctor and Time of the Doctor synopses early also leaked that the amnesia plot takes up several episodes.
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Given we know Daleks are early on, I do kinda hope The Doctor has no idea who the Daleks are.
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Jun 30, 2014 01:48
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WebDog posted:Given we know Daleks are early on, I do kinda hope The Doctor has no idea who the Daleks are. "Clara! We're being attacked by gigantic sex toys!"
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PriorMarcus posted:The same person who leaked the entire Name of the Doctor and Time of the Doctor synopses early also leaked that the amnesia plot takes up several episodes. Oh man, the memories. I remember reading that leaked Christmas special synopsis and laughing at how terrible and obviously fake it was. Then getting a sinking feeling moments into the episode as I realised it was all true. Can't wait for that sinking feeling to return, this August on BBC!
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PriorMarcus posted:The same person who leaked the entire Name of the Doctor and Time of the Doctor synopses early also leaked that the amnesia plot takes up several episodes. CLEVAH
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Hopefully it's more of a Pertwee thing, where after the premiere he's mostly the Doctor, but just randomly starts talking about other races and adventures and then has no idea where it came from.
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Just saw the 9th Doctor on HBOs new show "the Leftovers". That was a nice surprise. I always like seeing old Doctors in new things. Show kinda sucks and I don't even think they advertised Christopher Eccleston being in it. Guess he's not as famous as Liv Tyler. In other news you guys are making me depressed... Amnesia plots are the worst, and a multi episode one sounds dreadful.
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Dirt posted:Just saw the 9th Doctor on HBOs new show "the Leftovers". I'm willing to bet more people saw Armageddon than watched the 2005 series.
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Dirt posted:Show kinda sucks and I don't even think they advertised Christopher Eccleston being in it. Guess he's not as famous as Liv Tyler. Eccleston was in Thor 2: The Dark World, but you'd barely know that if you weren't paying attention.
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WebDog posted:Given we know Daleks are early on, I do kinda hope The Doctor has no idea who the Daleks are. Man, that reminds me of the stupid and pointless get-out-of-jail-free card of the Daleks forgetting about the Doctor at the end of Asylum. It might have been sort of neat if they had stuck with it a bit longer than the last five minutes of the episode and the Doctor and the Daleks could have met each other "for the first time" again.
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Star Platinum posted:Man, that reminds me of the stupid and pointless get-out-of-jail-free card of the Daleks forgetting about the Doctor at the end of Asylum. It might have been sort of neat if they had stuck with it a bit longer than the last five minutes of the episode and the Doctor and the Daleks could have met each other "for the first time" again. No it wouldn't have because the Daleks aren't robots  If I delete someone off my phone, I might not be able to remember their number but I certainly wouldn't forget who they were entirely. I'm still wary of the amnesia plot line, but hopefully my fears will be unfounded.
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Kazy posted:No it wouldn't have because the Daleks aren't robots I guess the Daleks have an artificial visioning system that relays telepathic information back to the mutant inside rather than a direct optical feed, so deleted that systems knowledge of the Doctor's visuals means the mutants are relayed data that doesn't compute the Doctor. But! The new Dalek paradigm has a silly eye in their stalk so I guess all that is nonsense. I'm honestly surprised Moffat didn't contrive the entire thing to allow him to write the 'first' meeting again in his vision.
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The Finale! UNIT! Kate Lethbridge-Stewart! Osgood! CYBERMEN! http://www.combom.co.uk/2014/06/series-8-finale-filming-reveals-major.html
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The_Doctor posted:The Finale! UNIT! Kate Lethbridge-Stewart! Osgood! CYBERMEN! You know, without the helmet, the modern Cybermen really look like MoS General Zod. Also oh look classic head.
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Jun 30, 2014 12:14
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Strange that they're allowing on-set photography and official releases. Is this new?
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moths posted:Strange that they're allowing on-set photography and official releases. Is this new? That's a street, not a set. And yes, whenever they film in public there are photos from onlookers.
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Szmitten posted:You know, without the helmet, the modern Cybermen really look like MoS General Zod. They look like Mark II Iron Man Armor from the MCU to me. It could be the glowing circle piece.
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Please for the love of God actually give them a good story this time. That doesn't end with them all blowing up.
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Burkion posted:Please for the love of God actually give them a good story this time. That doesn't end with them all blowing up. Pick one.
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The_Doctor posted:The Finale! UNIT! Kate Lethbridge-Stewart! Osgood! CYBERMEN!  I've had my fingers crossed for those two to come back ever since Day of the Doctor. Please don't screw this up, Moffat!
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I guess Kate Stewart was fine but Osgood was a completely forgettable example of yet another weak comedic side character.
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Chairman Capone posted:I guess Kate Stewart was fine but Osgood was a completely forgettable example of yet another weak comedic side character. weak is fine. Weak means there's room for improvement. Osgood was infinitely better than the idiotic big-glasses guy from Planet of the Dead, or that  GADGET GADGET thing in terms of 'comedic' characters
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Riptor posted:weak is fine. Weak means there's room for improvement. Osgood was infinitely better than the idiotic big-glasses guy from Planet of the Dead, or that I actually loved the fanboy scientist from Planet of the Dead, he was easily my favorite part of the whole movie. But I may just have a soft spot for fangirl/fanboy characters after being around that culture for so long.
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Riptor posted:weak is fine. Weak means there's room for improvement. Osgood was infinitely better than the idiotic big-glasses guy from Planet of the Dead, or that I guess. But I suppose I'm also in the minority in that I'd really be fine with never seeing characters and actors who never worked rather than keep having them return in the hope that maybe they'll be good this time (like basically the entire revolving characters that built up around 11 and/or Clara).
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Ratspeaker posted:
There's been one whopping episode since then.
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Rhyno posted:There's been one whopping episode since then. And seven months!
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