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MothraAttack posted:Annnnnd they've done it. Baghdadi's caliphate is officially declared, per Adnani. Will leave this to better analysts to sort out. Two things that appear certain 1. It's now just the Islamic State, not ISIS and 2. This claim in theory trumps all other claims to jihad, meaning Zawhiri and all branches of AQ owe allegiance now to Baghdadi (according to the Islamic State, that is). At first I interpreted this to mean that ISIS had taken Baghdad and  Do we know how Iran is going to respond to this? Beyond "poorly", that is.
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Can anyone explain the significance of this caliphate stuff? How big of a deal is this?
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humansuperior posted:Can anyone explain the significance of this caliphate stuff? How big of a deal is this? Pretty sure it's just  by ISIS since they are the big, bad boys right now.
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humansuperior posted:Can anyone explain the significance of this caliphate stuff? How big of a deal is this? Are you familiar with Emperor Norton?
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humansuperior posted:Can anyone explain the significance of this caliphate stuff? How big of a deal is this? Big picture? It isnt. Little picture? It's an ISIS recruiting tool.
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humansuperior posted:Can anyone explain the significance of this caliphate stuff? How big of a deal is this? Islamic State considers Baghdad a core province. Baghdad would the potential capital of Islamic State in case of a revolt, so it cannot be lost as a core province. Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jun 29, 2014 |
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Jun 29, 2014 18:31
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Breaking on APquote:BREAKING: Citing chaos in Iraq, Israeli leader endorses Kurdish independence.
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Can their leader really claim descent from the Prophet?
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ISIS is going to lose a shiton of prestige for claims on unheld provinces.
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Surely declaring itself the sole legitimate jihadist organization and demanding loyalty oaths is going to damage relations with other organizations, right?
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Swan Oat posted:Surely declaring itself the sole legitimate jihadist organization and demanding loyalty oaths is going to damage relations with other organizations, right?
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Swan Oat posted:Surely declaring itself the sole legitimate jihadist organization and demanding loyalty oaths is going to damage relations with other organizations, right? I don't think they had very good relations with a lot of organizations to begin with. It will probably help their recruitment efforts though.
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Brown Moses posted:ISIS will now be known as "The Islamic State" according to their announcement. Also, all Jihadist organisations are now demolished, and their former members must pledge allegiance to the Islamic State (or else, I assume). Does this make any difference at all, except to them? Edit: nevermind, I should refresh before posting. Sucrose fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jun 29, 2014 |
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Swan Oat posted:Surely declaring itself the sole legitimate jihadist organization and demanding loyalty oaths is going to damage relations with other organizations, right? Well they're already hated by pretty much every other jihadist organization, this is basically just their way of saying "yeah well gently caress you guys, I'll make my own caliphate!" * *With blackjack! And hookers!
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Brown Moses posted:Breaking on AP What did the Kurds ever do to Israel to get a kiss of death like that?
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Isn't that what Genghis Khan pulled to unite the Mongols? "You're with me, or else!"
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Torrannor posted:Can their leader really claim descent from the Prophet? I heard somewhere that half of Europe is probably in reality descended from him, given that he lived a thousand years ago and had tons of known descendants.
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humansuperior posted:Isn't that what Genghis Khan pulled to unite the Mongols? "You're with me, or else!" Complete with "we are successful, therefore the gods must be with us."
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Sucrose posted:I heard somewhere that half of Europe is probably in reality descended from him, given that he lived a thousand years ago and had tons of known descendants. I'm declaring myself the successor of Mohammed, Genghis Khan and Charlemagne. Where do I reclaim my triple crown?
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Nenonen posted:I'm declaring myself the successor of Mohammed, Genghis Khan and Charlemagne. Where do I reclaim my triple crown? Kentucky?
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Brown Moses posted:Breaking on AP
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Brown Moses posted:Breaking on AP ReV VAdAUL posted:What did the Kurds ever do to Israel to get a kiss of death like that? ufarn posted:Is there a particular relation between Israel and Kurdish Iraq, or is it more of an "International Community" thing? I've been seeing rumors about it for a couple of days in Israeli media. Israelis assisted Kurdish resistance along with the Americans and the Shah's Iran, fighting against Saddam Hussein. They even had contacts with Massoud Barazani himself. There's a book by a Mossad operative about the history of that, unfortunately it's in Hebrew and I don't think I'll be having access to it anytime soon. The Wikipedia Page looks kind of dodgy, but has some further sources.
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Brown Moses posted:Breaking on AP I think this is mainly to pressure the US into accepting a Kurdish state.
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Torrannor posted:Can their leader really claim descent from the Prophet?
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JT Jag posted:According to CK2 mechanics, this declaration of Caliphate is invalid. Now this I understand.
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Brown Moses posted:Breaking on AP Good job Israel you just doomed the Kurds.
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How big even *are* ISIS? All the numbers I've seen with this is in the low hundreds to thousands.
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Brown Moses posted:Breaking on AP Let's check with moderate Syrian rebels to see how Israel's endorsement of their struggle has worked out for them:
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Torrannor posted:Can their leader really claim descent from the Prophet? Probably not, but ISIS is only muslim as far as it suits them. They don't really care about the rules. They don't technically meet the requirements to go all takfiri on a whim either, but it doesn't stop them from murdering the poo poo out of people for not licking their boots.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Good job Israel you just doomed the Kurds. I don't think anything is going to particularly doom the Kurds at this point, unless a bunch of state actors suddenly turn on them.
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Sucrose posted:I don't think anything is going to particularly doom the Kurds at this point, unless a bunch of state actors suddenly turn on them. Yeah, I somehow don't think Massoud Barzani is really afraid of being endorsed by Israel. It's not as much of a spoiler as it used to be, apparently.
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Hey babe. What am I doing? Oh you know, just hanging out, forming a caliphate.
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Sucrose posted:I don't think anything is going to particularly doom the Kurds at this point, unless a bunch of state actors suddenly turn on them. There's exactly one thing that unites everyone involved in this mess and that is the acknowledgement that Israel sucks. The Israeli government saying your state is a step in the right direction is like Donald Rumsfeld calling up local metro section to say unprompted that your senior college term paper was really great and impeccably researched, and that you have a future in government and then hangs up without elaboration. Most people in the know would look at the phone wondering what the hell that was about and wonder some stuff you'd probably rather they not, even if the whole thing is bullshit. Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, I somehow don't think Massoud Barzani is really afraid of being endorsed by Israel. It's not as much of a spoiler as it used to be, apparently. Which is of course not to say that they aren't on good terms as shown, just that its another really crap wrinkle in a regional canvass that's at this point pleated with the loving things.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, I somehow don't think Massoud Barzani is really afraid of being endorsed by Israel. It's not as much of a spoiler as it used to be, apparently. It used to be a bigger deal before the 90's when Israel and America were both considered to have abandoned the Kurds in '75 after the Algiers Agreement, the Barzani family history with Israel was used as ammunition against the KDP by the PUK. Now a days most Iraqi Kurds embrace a realpolitik attitude to forming a diplomatic relationship with Israel, it's still a thorny issue among the diaspora and Turkish/Syrian Kurds sympathetic to the PKK though.
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Fangz posted:How big even *are* ISIS? All the numbers I've seen with this is in the low hundreds to thousands. From what I understand: they are indeed small compared to the armies they are fighting, but 1) Syria is fighting about 2-3 major groups at the same time and so IS gets some breathing room there, and 2) they are very well organized, well financed, and much more motivated than the army of Iraq, and 3) there is a good amount of local support for IS, both because of dissatisfaction with the Shia dominated Iraqi government, and intimidation in regions they control. A good deal of their success can basically boil down to 'right place, right time' in the middle of a civil war in Syria and Iraq's internal problems boiling over.
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This 'announcement' that they've restarted the Caliphate is about as meaningful and interesting as a fart in the wind. what, they really think people are going to want to follow them in droves and make their lovely little hellhole vision come true? They wont last, they'll destroy themselves before they ever become too big a threat to anyone else because they'll be too stupid to realize that you need to be inclusive to win wide support, and somebody should hand those guys a history book and show them that their precious Caliphate was actually a multi-ethnic multi-religious society that did things and allowed things they think is forbidden.
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Just gonna leave this here: Nothing. Nothing to see here. pantslesswithwolves fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jun 29, 2014 |
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Like six posts up, dude.
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