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on the left posted:I am sure this is true for Africa as well, but there are plenty of well-qualified Hispanics in central and south America who can't get visas to come work for Google in the USA. If congress would fix the visa situation, a lot more diversity would take place. Hispanics are definitely hurt by the fact that immigration has been dominated by the uneducated/unskilled, who will then have children who are behind their peers, and so on and so forth.
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cheese posted:This might make sense if every one of Google's 50k employees was a CS/CE job. But its not. Only part of that huge number of jobs takes a specialized tech degree. They have thousands and thousands of people working non tech jobs in marketing, human resources, PR, art, social media, etc etc etc. Yes, and for those jobs they hire the top part of the class at selective universities.
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on the left posted:Yes, and for those jobs they hire the top part of the class at selective universities. Right, Google can hire anyone they want and if they wanted to hire well qualified minorities they could, unless you're actually arguing that they don't exist.
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Trabisnikof posted:Right, Google can hire anyone they want and if they wanted to hire well qualified minorities they could, unless you're actually arguing that they don't exist. Yes, I would be willing to bet that hispanics and blacks are mostly not dominating the GPA scale at the universities they attend, as evidenced by the much lower graduation rates.
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on the left posted:Yes, and for those jobs they hire the top part of the class at selective universities.
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on the left posted:Yes, I would be willing to bet that hispanics and blacks are mostly not dominating the GPA scale at the universities they attend, as evidenced by the much lower graduation rates. Why is google required to hire according to the % of graduates in a graduating class? Google has the pick of the litter, and if diversity was a priority they could easily select qualified new employees to shift their demographics. This idea that Google doesn't have to hire a diverse workforce until elite universities are all perfectly diverse is a farcical distraction from Google's own choices about the demographic makeup of their workforce. Also your idea that minorities have significantly worse graduation rate at elite universities is wrong: http://chart.univstats.com/2013/02/ivy-league-graduation-rate-comparison.html That's for Ivy League schools and no minority group has a lower than 85% graduation rate. That's a pretty weak excuse for Google being unable to find these quality black students. Remember, we're not talking about engineering jobs here. This is for non-engineering positions where Google's workforce is still very white & asian.
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cheese posted:So their only hires in all of those areas are top of the class grads from selective universities? You SURE about that bro? All their marketing interns are from Stanford? Not Stanford only, but I did find this graphic:  Top 5 schools for Google recruiting are Stanford, Berkeley, MIT, UCLA, and Carnegie Mellon. I'm sure it's heavily influenced by the tech recruiting, but i've known a lot of non-technical people from Google who went to one of those schools, although mostly MIT. Trabisnikof posted:Why is google required to hire according to the % of graduates in a graduating class? Why on Earth should Google adopt those kind of hiring practices? on the left fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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on the left posted:Why on Earth should Google adopt those kind of hiring practices? Google is the one saying diversity is important to them. If that was true, they could easily act on it. I'm saying that is silly to argue that google should only be held accountable to the diversity of some elite institutions. Google chooses not to put in the effort to have a diverse workplace and that's their choice, but its wrong to argue they are prevented from being diverse until Stanford is more diverse. If you're asking for a defense of a diverse workplace, I can start with it creates better products and doesn't create another institution of discrimination. Edit: Also that chart is based on linkedin data and only accounts for the top 5 universities and less than 1/4th of Google employees. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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Trabisnikof posted:Google is the one saying diversity is important to them. If that was true, they could easily act on it. They have a workforce that is much less white than the American workforce at large. Mission accomplished! Trabisnikof posted:Edit: Also that chart is based on linkedin data and only accounts for the top 5 universities and less than 1/4th of Google employees. Top 5 universities is very good for determining the overall trends of hiring. on the left fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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on the left posted:Not Stanford only, but I did find this graphic: That's about 10% of Google's current employees and depending on how they pulled the data from Linkedin might not properly account for turnover. Certainly very disproportionate, but not like most employees went to these schools. I think the better way to look at it would be something like this, which limits itself to top 200 or so selective schools. That would be a more accurate measure of Google's potential recruiting pool and I think demonstrate the point (if such figures were readily available) that the recruiting pool isn't as diverse as just looking at college degrees by minority group. Regardless, I think it's really tough to claim that elite companies couldn't recruit more diversely. It's not going to happen naturally, you have to make it a priority (which, let's be honest, isn't going to happen with overwhelmingly white leadership), but it's important and should be a priority. Xandu fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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on the left posted:They have a workforce that is much less white than the American workforce at large. Mission accomplished! But google isn't saying that having less white than average is their own goal. Its also pretty disingenuous to ignore the incredible lack of Blacks and Hispanics because they have above average numbers of Asians. Equality in one area doesn't magically make discrimination in another not count. Also that chart kinda proves your own point wrong. Less than 25% of google employees come from the 5 top alma maters for google. That means they have a large number of institutions that feed google, and that google doesn't have to pick from only Stanford.
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on the left posted:Not Stanford only, but I did find this graphic: on the left posted:Why on Earth should Google adopt those kind of hiring practices?
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keevo posted:So what's going on in Murrieta? A bunch of dumb  types were urged by their dumb type mayor to protest against dirty, fence-hopping, Mexican scum (who are mostly children), because they're being moved to a border patrol station there.
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Google ' s career page is quite diverse, what more do you want? http://www.google.com/about/careers/ 
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Ron Jeremy posted:Google ' s career page is quite diverse, what more do you want? On that same page no less  
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Rah! posted:A bunch of dumb Yeah, this is the most over-hyped story I've seen in a while, though it delivers plenty of hilarious political fodder. They kept some buses from entering a border patrol station. The border patrol probably figured it wasn't worth the trouble of breaking the group up forcefully, especially since the local police seemed to be doing gently caress all to disperse the protesters since the protesters are white and protesting against the presence of non-whites, so the border patrol is (I heard/read somewhere) doing the sensible thing and heading back to San Ysidro until some undisclosed time, presumably when the protesters get bored and go home. That may have already happened, but I haven't seen any follow-up stories. It boggles my mind that this is the thing the folks want to stand up to: moving Hispanic children from one facility to another. Out of all the things they might want to obstruct federal police from doing in their normal course of business, they chose this. I'm not even sure they're aware of how stupid this makes them look: it's like the last stand against the US Marshals' school integration enforcement, only it's happening in the year 2014, and it looks even more pathetic because it's so small and myopic in addition to being motivated by unmitigated racism.Edit: "We're going to protest/obstruct federal police from executing a law that involves giving people rights that I don't agree with, it's like that time when ____________" -- is there a way to fill in that blank that doesn't involve being tremendously on the wrong side of history? Kwyjibo fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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Kwyjibo posted:Yeah, this is the most over-hyped story I've seen in a while, though it delivers plenty of hilarious political fodder. They kept some buses from entering a border patrol station. The border patrol probably figured it wasn't worth the trouble of breaking the group up forcefully, especially since the local police seemed to be doing gently caress all to disperse the protesters since the protesters are white and protesting against the presence of non-whites, so the border patrol is (I heard/read somewhere) doing the sensible thing and heading back to San Ysidro until some undisclosed time, presumably when the protesters get bored and go home. That may have already happened, but I haven't seen any follow-up stories. I just saw news footage of a community meeting type thing they had, where the people were voicing their concerns. One old woman (white, of course) was literally crying as she spoke into the mic, and said: "I feel we're being destroyed" These people really believe they're under attack by the America-destroying Mexican horde. I mean, I already knew that, but it still blows my mind how delusional people can be.
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I think the deal was these people were going to be released into the community while they await their deportation hearing because they are mostly children, and thus it is Obama forcing illegals into our homes and worth protesting. I initially thought this was a pro-immigration reform protest since they do block INS transfer as a political statement, and it makes sense when they do it.
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Rah! posted:I just saw news footage of a community meeting type thing they had, where the
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cheese posted:One thing that always confused me. Are the Mexicans who are crossing the border to come destroy us also using the same route that the Muslims who are crossing the border to come destroy us? What about the socialists? Seems like the mountain passes leading into Arizona must be jam packed. Actually the real threat is because the Muslims can just hide amongst the mexicans and no one will notice. So they can sneak in using the amigo network and then deliver their suitcase nuke Obama gave them.
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So heres some of the falsehoods I have heard so far come from Republicans/Teabagger friends/family/assholes (my experience being one of the cities where they were going to house them): 1. "They will be released in the community" - Bullshit. The plans for where they would be housed insures that the locations would be secure, where they would have a place to sleep, eat and get medical care while being processed for deportation. 2. "They didnt ask us if they wanted them here" - No they didnt. They also didnt ask you if you wanted a border patrol checkpoint 20 miles north of you either, or whether the border patrol can round up the sub human garbage (as one lovely teabagger referred to them) either. 3. "What if the kids are criminals" -  4. "We dont have money to house them here" - Immigration reform is cheap compared to the alternative but we wouldnt want progress.
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spiralbrain posted:So heres some of the falsehoods I have heard so far come from Republicans/Teabagger friends/family/assholes (my experience being one of the cities where they were going to house them): News locally reported that the undocumented persons were likely dropped off in communities because there was no where else to go fearing the people's safety.
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Rah! posted:I just saw news footage of a community meeting type thing they had, where the It's not that they're delusional, it's that to the Americanness = Whiteness. An America where a black guy is President and a female guy will probably be the next one and where you occasional see billboards and signs in shop windows written in Spanish and have to press 1 for English is to them not America. Not "it's a possible future for America we really wouldn't like" but it's not America. Not in a hyperbolic or metaphorical sense, but literally not America.
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They've been lied to, as well. They don't have an accurate perception of the country's economic prosperity, or of the proportion of the population made up of recent immigrants (illegal or not). They have been told that Mexicans are literally stealing and destroying everything that they and their forefathers made, that the country's wealth and prosperity is bleeding out from all those greedy immigrants welching off of the system. Conservatives tend to care a lot about a certain kind of "fairness." Not the fairness of being treated equally, but the fairness of other people not getting more handouts than they do, not getting help when they don't "deserve it" based on some nebulous, vague idea of self-sufficiency, being a tax payer, being naturally born to this country (which means being white), and climbing up the wealth ladder by virtue of "hard work" (which means white collar jobs and definitely not brutal agricultural labor). If they are or know someone who is white and unemployed, they believe (and have been told, over and over again) that it's due to immigrants. If their taxes seem payful to pay, it's because of immigrants coming here for free health care and education off of the taxpayer's dollars. If they feel scared around minorities, it's justifiable fear because those people are born into violent ways, violence is all they know. It's a sick mixture of racism, "just so" stories told by politicians, news organizations and religious organizations on the right, and a heaping pile of mostly bullshit American mythology about the founding fathers, pioneering individuals, rags to riches, and being the bestest most free and righteous country and people in the world. After all, if America is the best, that must mean everyone from other countries are worse.
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Leperflesh posted:They've been lied to, as well. They don't have an accurate perception of the country's economic prosperity, or of the proportion of the population made up of recent immigrants (illegal or not). They have been told that Mexicans are literally stealing and destroying everything that they and their forefathers made, that the country's wealth and prosperity is bleeding out from all those greedy immigrants welching off of the system. Its no different than what has happened throughout our history: a few descendants of immigrants get angry at immigrants coming in. To me the whole situation reeks of NIMBY.
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The Insect Court posted:It's not that they're delusional, it's that to the Leperflesh posted:They've been lied to, as well. They don't have an accurate perception of the country's economic prosperity, or of the proportion of the population made up of recent immigrants (illegal or not). They have been told that Mexicans are literally stealing and destroying everything that they and their forefathers made, that the country's wealth and prosperity is bleeding out from all those greedy immigrants welching off of the system.
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cheese posted:There was a book that talked about the shift towards ideologically homogenous neighborhoods but I can't remember the title of it for the life of me. tl;dr most of us used to live in neighborhoods that were a lot more diverse in terms of political ideology, but white flight/suburbanization has created many more places across the country where you will no longer have to see or interact with the political other. I severely doubt this or at least I doubt it actually existed for very long given the urbanization trends of the US. Maybe it was more prevalent in California than the country as a whole.
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Trabisnikof posted:Most evidence points towards peak housing integration being in the past so that aligns with idea that neighborhoods were more diverse. Yeah, which is why I added "I doubt it actually existed for very long ".
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So the final canvas of the June primary is in, and Betty Yee, who was in third place for Controller for most of election night and seesawed between second and third place over much of the next week officially managed to navigate her way to second place by 481 votes. Assemblyman John Perez has yet to concede and has mulled asking for a recount.
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Meanwhile in SF, there's another terrible, anti-social startup "disrupting" the restaurant reservation space. http://valleywag.gawker.com/restaurant-reservation-scalping-site-is-everything-wron-1599984423
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Kobayashi posted:Meanwhile in SF, there's another terrible, anti-social startup "disrupting" the restaurant reservation space. All this takes is restaurants requiring ID for that startup to die. But wow, the fact they give you a fake name to use at the resturant is extra ballsy.
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Trabisnikof posted:All this takes is restaurants requiring ID for that startup to die. But wow, the fact they give you a fake name to use at the resturant is extra ballsy. The next pivot is them taking your real ID and sniping desireable dinner reservations for you. Bots have been very common in online restaurant reservations for a while, with many people moving to techniques used by high frequency traders to get reservations within milliseconds of opening.
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Trabisnikof posted:All this takes is restaurants requiring ID for that startup to die. But wow, the fact they give you a fake name to use at the restaurant is extra ballsy. That seems a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face though. When people show up with the scalped reservation you can refuse them service on principle but then you're still screwed as far as filling your tables goes. A better option would be a service that searches these sites and notifies you when something from your restaurant shows up so you can free up the spot for actual reservations.
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bango skank posted:That seems a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face though. When people show up with the scalped reservation you can refuse them service on principle but then you're still screwed as far as filling your tables goes. But even if you know that your restaurant is getting spammed with fake reservations how can you tell the real from the fake? All you know is they're saying they have a reservation at your restaurant but you don't know which reservations were made by real customers and which were made by the company to scalp.
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bango skank posted:That seems a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face though. When people show up with the scalped reservation you can refuse them service on principle but then you're still screwed as far as filling your tables goes. 
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Kobayashi posted:Meanwhile in SF, there's another terrible, anti-social startup "disrupting" the restaurant reservation space. Aren't we supposed to hate all forms of automation here in D&D? These restaurants are being evil for computerizing what was once the job of a hard working hostess. This development is just them getting their just rewards. Or maybe we just take whichever side of the issue allows us to bitch the most.
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