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Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Marco Rubio is a huge Pitbull fan.

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Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Personally when I went to Europe it confused the hell out of me when the term "liberal" suddenly meant "quasi-libertarian" in a good number of countries.

In Australia, the Liberal Party is the name of our Republican Party.
Many of your Democrats would be comfortable being members of that party. So I guess the name is pretty apt.

Tokamak fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Jul 4, 2014

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

Tokamak posted:

In Australia, the Liberal Party is the name of our Republican Party.

Isn't it technically the Liberal-National coalition or The Coalition?

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
I guess the "milquetoast centrist" flavour of liberal would fit well in the LibDems. And yeah, if Obama were Canadian or British, what are the odds that he'd be a Tory?

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

ThirdPartyView posted:

Isn't it technically the Liberal-National coalition or The Coalition?

They are separate parties in most states afaik. I know they merged in Queensland (our South). The Coalition is the catch-all term for Liberals and Nationals, as the Nationals are essentially the Liberal Country Party.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
I have never heard a Pitbull song that I'm aware of and my only recollection of him is that time the internet forced him to play a concert at a Walmart in nowhere Alaska, but I have this impression of his target market overlapping heavily with Kid Rock.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
There's only one Pitbull I'm interested in and it's DJ Sany Pitbull :colbert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SKa6kgPu6E

(kidding, Pitbull's OK)

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

I guess the "milquetoast centrist" flavour of liberal would fit well in the LibDems. And yeah, if Obama were Canadian or British, what are the odds that he'd be a Tory?

100%

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

ReindeerF posted:

I have never heard a Pitbull song that I'm aware of and my only recollection of him is that time the internet forced him to play a concert at a Walmart in nowhere Alaska, but I have this impression of his target market overlapping heavily with Kid Rock.

Great, now I have the lovely Romney campaign song that Kid Rock made stuck in my head. :argh:

XyloJW
Jul 23, 2007
The OP of the current Auspol thread has a really good rundown of the main political parties in Australia, and I found it both enlightening and entertaining.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3646846

They have an actual functioning multi-party system, with Senators from 9 different parties, including one from the "Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party."

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

ReindeerF posted:

I have never heard a Pitbull song that I'm aware of and my only recollection of him is that time the internet forced him to play a concert at a Walmart in nowhere Alaska, but I have this impression of his target market overlapping heavily with Kid Rock.

He was really cool about that though, or at least sufficiently acted like he was cool about it.

ReindeerF posted:

I have never heard a Pitbull song that I'm aware of and my only recollection of him is that time the internet forced him to play a concert at a Walmart in nowhere Alaska, but I have this impression of his target market overlapping heavily with Kid Rock.

I don't know, maybe? I've seen a fair number of Kid Rock fans that I doubt listen to Pitbull. Kid Rock has that angry white male thing going on.

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.
Say what you will about Kid Rock, but his cruise sure sounds like a lot of fun.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Personally when I went to Europe it confused the hell out of me when the term "liberal" suddenly meant "quasi-libertarian" in a good number of countries.

:eng101: it's usually the more philosophically and historically accurate construction of the term, in fact! To vastly oversimplify, Liberalism was originally the term for a bunch of philosophies built on individually oriented universal deonotological rights systems, quite primitive ones at first. These were some of the foundational philosophies that got us to the modern era of republicanism, but it turns out (shocker) that building a society around an absolute, fundamental and God-given right to personal property that supersedes all other things has a tendency to make people kill each other.

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Discendo Vox posted:

:eng101: it's usually the more philosophically and historically accurate construction of the term, in fact! To vastly oversimplify, Liberalism was originally the term for a bunch of philosophies built on individually oriented universal deonotological rights systems, quite primitive ones at first. These were some of the foundational philosophies that got us to the modern era of republicanism, but it turns out (shocker) that building a society around an absolute, fundamental and God-given right to personal property that supersedes all other things has a tendency to make people kill each other.

That actually has a much more meaningful definition than the "anything that isn't a raging far-right reactionary" meaning it seems to have here.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
Note the "extremely oversimplified" part, though. I can't give you a full history of philosophical liberalism, but the wikipedia page looks to be very good aside from the very top of the article. Here's the definition/etymology section:

"wikipedia posted:

Words such as liberal, liberty, libertarian, and libertine all trace their history to the Latin liber, which means "free". One of the first recorded instances of the word liberal occurs in 1375, when it was used to describe the liberal arts in the context of an education desirable for a free-born man. The word's early connection with the classical education of a medieval university soon gave way to a proliferation of different denotations and connotations. Liberal could refer to "free in bestowing" as early as 1387, "made without stint" in 1433, "freely permitted" in 1530, and "free from restraint"—often as a pejorative remark—in the 16th and the 17th centuries. In 16th century England, liberal could have positive or negative attributes in referring to someone's generosity or indiscretion.[13] In Much Ado About Nothing, Shakespeare wrote of "a liberal villaine" who "hath...confest his vile encounters". With the rise of the Enlightenment, the word acquired decisively more positive undertones, being defined as "free from narrow prejudice" in 1781 and "free from bigotry" in 1823. In 1815, the first use of the word liberalism appeared in English. By the middle of the 19th century, liberal started to be used as a politicised term for parties and movements all over the world.

Boiled down, you could say Liberalism is a big tent for all ARE FREEDUHMS arguments, with all the rhetorical power and political/practical problems that that entails.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
The NZ centre-right National Party was formed from a coalition of United (liberals) and Reform (conservatives), which were the two big parties before Labour came on the scene

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

ReindeerF posted:

I have never heard a Pitbull song that I'm aware of

You have, you just don't know it. His whole thing is to take popular songs and rap a couple lines over them. It's fairly clever how successful he is vs how little effort he puts into it.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Doughbaron posted:

SCOTUS legalized virtual and drawn CP in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition I believe, so Japan isn't the only country to be ashamed of here.

Also, one of my most bizarre experiences in college was watching everyone's head explode as we discussed William J. Brennan's and Thurgood Marshal's opinion that possession of real CP should be constitutionally protected.

Most countries have it legal, but usable as additional evidence against someone who already has actual child pornogrpahy or has been caught actually molesting children. This was used recently for some school teacher in Idaho who had download real child porn but erased it, and was suspected of molesting his students; and he was nailed on the vast amount of drawn stuff he had as well the fact ISP logs showed he had also access real stuff at similar times.

wheez the roux
Aug 2, 2004
THEY SHOULD'VE GIVEN IT TO LYNCH

Death to the Seahawks. Death to Seahawks posters.

SedanChair posted:

There's only one Pitbull I'm interested in and it's DJ Sany Pitbull :colbert:

(kidding, Pitbull's OK)

i prefer jungle personally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQRuHy21dQ0

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
Speaking of Murrieta one of my friends is from there and is back there for the weekend.

He tripped on the "uneven sidewalk" and got this nasty scrape on his knee. Hooray, exurbia!

quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest

XyloJW posted:

The OP of the current Auspol thread has a really good rundown of the main political parties in Australia, and I found it both enlightening and entertaining.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3646846

They have an actual functioning multi-party system, with Senators from 9 different parties, including one from the "Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party."

Ricky Muir also comes off as cartoonishly bumbling in interviews, and whenever i hear or see his name i get run dmcs tricky stuck in my head

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Holy poo poo I can't believe you people had a multi-page discussion about Belgian things and not a single person mentioned Tintin. Explain yourself, D&D chat thread.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Fister Roboto posted:

Holy poo poo I can't believe you people had a multi-page discussion about Belgian things and not a single person mentioned Tintin. Explain yourself, D&D chat thread.

A couple of people mentioned Tintin.

XyloJW
Jul 23, 2007
Well one person did anyway.

Warcabbit posted:

Herge is from Belgium. That's a thing, right? (Tintin. In this forum, most known for the Gingrich/In The Congo mashup.)

Swan Oat
Oct 9, 2012

I was selected for my skill.
"Timber" is a good Pitbull song imo.

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

Salad Prong

XyloJW posted:

The OP of the current Auspol thread has a really good rundown of the main political parties in Australia, and I found it both enlightening and entertaining.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3646846

They have an actual functioning multi-party system, with Senators from 9 different parties, including one from the "Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party."

Wow, the Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party turned out to be exactly what I thought it'd be. I wish more political parties would have such descriptive names. :rice:

wheez the roux
Aug 2, 2004
THEY SHOULD'VE GIVEN IT TO LYNCH

Death to the Seahawks. Death to Seahawks posters.

Swan Oat posted:

"Timber" is a good Pitbull song imo.

gross

y'all should listen to reggaeton and other musica del sur especially seeing as it's world cup time


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRWqYR3e7xE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BTjG-dhf5s&t=20s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zp1TbLFPp8&t=35s

Swan Oat
Oct 9, 2012

I was selected for my skill.
well maybe good was too far. it is a fun, and enjoyable song, to me.

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN
I loving hate Pitbull

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


tbp how do you feel, as a World Cup mod, about pitbull doing the wc song this year?

Prior to this year my only familiarity with him was him rapping over some cheb khaled

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
I only know Pitbull as that guy we sent to Alaska.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Thread has come full circle.

Phoon
Apr 23, 2010

I like timber

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Starting to think that the Libertarians have a point about the advantages of rail travel.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

rail travel does own a whole bunch.

i like trains

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

*stares right into your eyes*

choo choo

bij
Feb 24, 2007

Being a Republican seems really gross, like wow. I'm also not entirely sure democracy works anymore.

Sierra Nevada Torpedo makes problems disappear.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Joementum posted:

Starting to think that the Libertarians have a point about the advantages of rail travel.

weird, they're all about the roads over here

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Exclamation Marx posted:

weird, they're all about the roads over here

They are here too, but they won that argument long, long ago.

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Phoon
Apr 23, 2010

Our trains are already privatised and its poo poo so I dont think libertarians want to draw attention to that here.

What is the deal with trains in the us are they private? National? Or is it a region by region thing?

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