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BigHandsVince posted:If I get back into gaming, it would be super casual, so it sounds like what I'm after. Super casual is the name of the game with Mantic, which I love. The plastic miniatures are pretty good in my opinion, comparing to privateer press metal figures of the same size, except for the mold lines. God, the mold lines.
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signalnoise posted:God, the mold lines.
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Pierzak posted:PP mold lines or Mantic mold lines? Mantic On some of my guys there are mold lines across very detailed areas. Might be different from game to game though, given they are different times in the life of Mantic.
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Privateer mold lines are just as bad, if not worse. Their plastic tends to "feather" when you scrape it, which just makes cleaning them a loving mess.
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Jul 5, 2014 03:05
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Ah, I wouldn't know about their plastics. My warmahordes collection is rather heavy.
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I hated putting together the Enforcer miniatures in the Deadzone box like I've never hated anything before, but aside from that they look really good. I just kinda had the problem where nothing seemed to fit together like it was supposed to. I haven't put together any other Deadzone models, though, and I haven't had any issue with the dozens of Kings of War models I've built, so it's not necessarily a problem outside of me just really not liking those specific minis. edit: the mold lines in the Deadzone box and the Hordes 2-player box I bought were basically comparable. Nobody's really got mold lines down as well as GW. long-ass nips Diane fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Jul 5, 2014 |
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Jul 5, 2014 03:39
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moths posted:Privateer mold lines are just as bad, if not worse. Their plastic tends to "feather" when you scrape it, which just makes cleaning them a loving mess. Oh yeah, I got the 2-player box for Warmachine and trying to clean up the plastics in that kit nearly broke me.  By comparison, the Corporation and Veer-Myn stuff in the PP box were a breeze to work with.Swagger Dagger posted:edit: the mold lines in the Deadzone box and the Hordes 2-player box I bought were basically comparable. Nobody's really got mold lines down as well as GW. I've been working with some Perry Miniatures War of the Roses stuff and they're pretty drat clean too, in terms of mold lines. But that's to be expected given their long association with GW, I suppose.
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Privateer also puts mold lines in the worst spots imaginable. I shelved all my Convergence after trying to scrape obvious lines out from between the cogs on a gear. I'll get back to that...someday. I believe that the Perry twins do their plastic casting through Renedra, who are the same people who cast Mantic's hard plastics as well as generic green bases. But hey, I finally settled on a scheme for my KoW undead!   Cross-posted from the Oath thread, I speed painted these over a few hours today. (The base looks wonky since the glue is still wet.) I'm going to be group-basing them on combined 60mm x 40mm and 40mm x 40mm bases, which gives me a little flexibility.
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Swagger Dagger posted:I hated putting together the Enforcer miniatures in the Deadzone box like I've never hated anything before, but aside from that they look really good. I just kinda had the problem where nothing seemed to fit together like it was supposed to. Wrath was the worst one for me. His cape gave me issues lining up initially due to one of the arms being solidly glued slightly back too much. But those draping parts of the cape that are thinner wouldn't line up at all and stare at me from my bitbox. Also lost a single enforcer head when it got dropped and went... somewhere.
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moths posted:I believe that the Perry twins do their plastic casting through Renedra, who are the same people who cast Mantic's hard plastics as well as generic green bases. Only the early hard plastics were done by Renedra, their poo poo is so hot that a very long and orderly queue developed to use them, and Mantic didn't have time to wait. That's how we ended up with the botched Chinese Men at Arms. Second generation of Chinese hard plastic looks like it's going to be a hell of a lot better though, the plague zombies they showed a few months ago were pretty good.
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I bought a shitload of Deadzone zombies via the Deadball Xtreme kickstarter so they better be good.
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moths posted:Privateer also puts mold lines in the worst spots imaginable. I shelved all my Convergence after trying to scrape obvious lines out from between the cogs on a gear. I'll get back to that...someday. When I saw the mold line running down the front of the leg armor plate on the Khador 'jacks, I nearly wept. Doubly so when I realized that the armor plate was just ever so slightly concaved, to where I couldn't get a hobby knife or a file in without destroying a ton of detail.  quote:But hey, I finally settled on a scheme for my KoW undead! Looking pretty drat spiffy, there, I must say. 
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Swagger Dagger posted:I hated putting together the Enforcer miniatures in the Deadzone box like I've never hated anything before, but aside from that they look really good. I just kinda had the problem where nothing seemed to fit together like it was supposed to. I'm glad I assembled my plague first because the mold lines on those were hideous. I lost the will to continue when cleaning the enforcers though. They're by far the best sculpts that Mantic has come out with but restic is just horrid to work with. Hopefully there will be Enforcer plastics sooner rather than later. Daedleh posted:You rang? And that is the first goblinoid model from mantic that I've actually liked. It's really awesome. I think it's mostly the farmhand teeth that make me hate the Orx, I might see if I can effectively remove those and add GW style tusks when I get around to my marauders. thiswayliesmadness posted:Wrath was the worst one for me. His cape gave me issues lining up initially due to one of the arms being solidly glued slightly back too much. But those draping parts of the cape that are thinner wouldn't line up at all and stare at me from my bitbox. Also lost a single enforcer head when it got dropped and went... somewhere. Well that's a good tip about gluing that arm then! I haven't assembled any of my mercs yet. Edit: vvv I will gladly re-buy Enforcers in plastic, and smash the resin ones to bits with a hammer whilst screaming. Shallow fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Jul 5, 2014 |
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Jul 5, 2014 11:02
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Enforcer plastics are wave 2. Wrath is the fiddliest thing ever and theres nowhere to put the sword
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The basic enforcer troops that don't fit together properly and have insanely fiddly arms are the very old Warpath ones, and some of Mantic's first restic minis. You probably noticed how different the assembly was between those and the Peacekeeper Captain or the Sniper or Engineer. They were never originally intended to be in Deadzone, but the proper plastic ones got delayed due to the utter horror of the Basilean Men at Arms after the previous melty goblins with sprue gates right in the middle of the face, so that Mantic could sort out their plastic quality for them. At least, that's my interpretation of the whole mess. I'm looking forward to my new ones anyway. KS backers get replacements in wave 2 - I don't know what's happening with retail sales, but I suspect you're sadly SOL.
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Can't wait for wave 2 for exactly that reason. Those first enforcers were my first experience with restic and it wasn't a happy experience at all. They're still sat in a box in my garage. If mantic can nail plastics then I'll buy more of their stuff, restic? Not so much.
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muskets posted:The basic enforcer troops that don't fit together properly and have insanely fiddly arms are the very old Warpath ones, and some of Mantic's first restic minis. You probably noticed how different the assembly was between those and the Peacekeeper Captain or the Sniper or Engineer. They were never originally intended to be in Deadzone, but the proper plastic ones got delayed due to the utter horror of the Basilean Men at Arms after the previous melty goblins with sprue gates right in the middle of the face, so that Mantic could sort out their plastic quality for them. At least, that's my interpretation of the whole mess. I'm looking forward to my new ones anyway. KS backers get replacements in wave 2 - I don't know what's happening with retail sales, but I suspect you're sadly SOL. The Warpath Enforcers are an abomination that I wouldn't wish on anyone. Having said that, if you sort the arms out then it is a bit easier to put them together. The arms are paired, but annoyingly there's nothing to say which arms go with which. Restic works fine for models with fewer pieces or bulky models (great for the marauders, KoW Ogres etc) but it's the thin and fiddly multi-part models that it falls down on. I'm definitely looking forward to the plastic enforcers anyway. The plastics were delayed simply because they were late, rather than any knock-on effect from the M@As and Goblins. The original plan was to do a set of restic single-pose enforcers like the captain, engineer etc, but when funding hit a certain point they just said "gently caress it - let's do hard plastics". They thought they could get them done in time for wave 1, but sadly not. Instead any backers got a set of Warpath enforcers now, with plastic sprues coming in wave 2. Not sure how many but at least 1 sprue of 5 per starter. I've held the zombie sprue in my hands (really sad that I couldn't nick it, but hopefully will get my hands on it next weekend), and I'm confident enough to say that the detail and quality surpasses even Renedra, certainly GW. There is a lack of extras on the sprue, but enough variety that it shouldn't be a problem. Daedleh fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Jul 5, 2014 |
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enri posted:Can't wait for wave 2 for exactly that reason. Those first enforcers were my first experience with restic and it wasn't a happy experience at all. They're still sat in a box in my garage. If mantic can nail plastics then I'll buy more of their stuff, restic? Not so much. My first experience with restic was a Cyriss battlebox, so I wasn't horribly surprised or anything by the Mantic stuff good and bad, but as someone who was making hobby kits long before picking up wargaming everything should come on neatly laid out ABS sprues with tiny ejection marks, no flash, letters for sprues and numbers for parts, also the correct number of bolts on the engine deck and the right grousers for the eastern front in January 1944  Edit: Also I gather a lot of goons don't like BoW, but whatever, they have Ronnie in this weekend to shoot a bunch of videos showing off/demo playing a proper Deadzone game, Mars Attacks, DKQ, and more future plans stuff he apparently is incapable of keeping secret NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Jul 5, 2014 |
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NTRabbit posted:My first experience with restic was a Cyriss battlebox, so I wasn't horribly surprised or anything by the Mantic stuff good and bad, but as someone who was making hobby kits long before picking up wargaming everything should come on neatly laid out ABS sprues with tiny ejection marks, no flash, letters for sprues and numbers for parts, also the correct number of bolts on the engine deck and the right grousers for the eastern front in January 1944 Ok I take that back, my first experience was a cryx starter set a few years beforehand. That totally put me off of warmahordes for a few years Had completely forgotten about those horrible shits.
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I don't get the stuntbot for Marauders. He's just as expensive as the other striders, worse melee and ranged attack skills, same armor...the goblin stuntbot just looks strictly worse than the other factions'.
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Feeple posted:I don't get the stuntbot for Marauders. He's just as expensive as the other striders, worse melee and ranged attack skills, same armor...the goblin stuntbot just looks strictly worse than the other factions'. Seems like it's meant to be halfway between. Shorter range, weaker weapon (AP2 v AP4) than the Enforcer, but it can fire every turn as it doesn't have long reload, and still longer range than the flamers on the other two. Then it has the AP3 melee weapon like them, but which the Enforcer doesn't have, but no Brawler skill. It's also only a specialist, where the other three are rares. I think the point of it might be to kill the Plague and Rebs at arms reach, but needs get close to the Enforcers. Whether that's enough for the point cost, I don't know. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Jul 5, 2014 |
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It does have a nicer gun on it. I'd definitely like to see Brawler on it though.
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NTRabbit posted:Edit: Also I gather a lot of goons don't like BoW, but whatever, they have Ronnie in this weekend to shoot a bunch of videos showing off/demo playing a proper Deadzone game, Mars Attacks, DKQ, and more future plans stuff he apparently is incapable of keeping secret I do love Ronnie's inability to keep any secrets, he's like the anti-GW.
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Sledra posted:I do love Ronnie's inability to keep any secrets, he's like the anti-GW. I liked the video of him at Adepticon, where they asked him how Mantic was doing and 10 minutes later we had the entire Mantic road map for the next 2 years. Mean time, Sanctus Reach 
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Sledra posted:I do love Ronnie's inability to keep any secrets, he's like the anti-GW. Mantics head of Studio, Stew, has taken to sitting in on the seminars at the open day since Ronnie almost always comes up with a new promise that's news to Stew. He gets to know just as much about the next 12 months of his job as we do.
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muskets posted:The basic enforcer troops that don't fit together properly and have insanely fiddly arms are the very old Warpath ones, and some of Mantic's first restic minis. You probably noticed how different the assembly was between those and the Peacekeeper Captain or the Sniper or Engineer. They were never originally intended to be in Deadzone, but the proper plastic ones got delayed due to the utter horror of the Basilean Men at Arms after the previous melty goblins with sprue gates right in the middle of the face, so that Mantic could sort out their plastic quality for them. At least, that's my interpretation of the whole mess. I'm looking forward to my new ones anyway. KS backers get replacements in wave 2 - I don't know what's happening with retail sales, but I suspect you're sadly SOL. Yeah I really hated putting together the Enforcers for that reason. The sniper, captain and engineer went together fine. Everything else was just a real pain and really doesn't look great (gaps everywhere). I'm looking forward to wave 2, is there going to be a kickstarter for that or something?
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SquadronROE posted:I'm looking forward to wave 2, is there going to be a kickstarter for that or something? Wave 2 is the second shipment from the first kickstarter, has all the cool toys we've been talking about in it and is scheduled to start shipping this month. A Deadzone expansion kickstarter is a future proposition, like maybe a Veer'myn infestation, with no spcificed date or format.
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So I've only really played undead in KoW, what are some good tactics for the orcs? I have a bunch of axes and greataxes and some gore riders. I also have 40 spitters for allies if needed. Then a krudger a flagger and Wip the halfcast. Going to start small at 500 points then go larger 750 and keep escalating as I get more models. Any ideas for lists and tactics?
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I like an army full of Ax, Morax and Gore Riders. The Ax form a solid wall and go stomping up the field with Morax behind them for counter-charges, while Gore Riders are cheap and plentiful enough to spam. There's not much subtlety in playing Orcs other than charge the gently caress forward and smash everything you touch. Flaggers on Gores are brilliant. 2 Attacks with CS1 and Me3+ mean that they are a credible threat to small flyers behind your lines. One guy I faced spammed about a dozen gore flaggers. Whenever I got a flyer behind his lines it just got swamped by them. Krudger on slasher with Wings of Honeymaze is hands-down one of the deadliest units in the game. Being a flyer means he can often pull off rear charges, and 30 attacks with Me3+ and CS3 is enough to kill any regiment in the game in one hit, if not most hordes. I think the only unit that can realistically withstand a rear charge from him is the zombie Endless swarm. Once he gets behind enemy lines he can start getting flank/rear charges every turn and barring artillery or Undeads Dark Surge he's nigh-on unstoppable. Having said that, he is vulnerable to artillery and will be target no.1 for your opponent. Try using Gore Flaggers to shut down enemy artillery and dark surge casters - and unlike most other army standard bearers they'll actually stand a chance of taking enemy artillery out, rather than just shut it down. Sniffs are surprisingly annoying. They seem to be one of those units that just attracts ridiculously lucky dice rolls and everyone who's played against Orcs has a "those loving sniffs killed my uber unit with one volley" story. Shove 'em forward, absorb charges with them and annoy the gently caress out of your opponent. Gloat about how ridiculous their dice rolls are. For 500 points, this should be a fairly nasty list: 2 x Ax Regiment Ax Krudgiment Gore Riders Regiment 2 x Flagger on Gore
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Daedleh posted:Mantics head of Studio, Stew, has taken to sitting in on the seminars at the open day since Ronnie almost always comes up with a new promise that's news to Stew. He gets to know just as much about the next 12 months of his job as we do. Ronnie's fast become one of my favorite people in the wargaming industry, between his obvious enthusiasm for the industry and hobby, and his willingness to troll the poo poo out of GW. 
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BigHandsVince posted:I haven't played any minatures-based games in about 15 years. Imagine Necromunda, except it's actually a good game that doesn't just coast on nostalgia. That's Deadzone.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Ronnie's fast become one of my favorite people in the wargaming industry, between his obvious enthusiasm for the industry and hobby, and his willingness to troll the poo poo out of GW. Any suggestions for advertising slogans for the next open day? "Our gaming day hasn't been cancelled." "plan your purchases more than a week in advance" "We'll openly talk about what we're doing next week"
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Ronnie's fast become one of my favorite people in the wargaming industry, between his obvious enthusiasm for the industry and hobby, and his willingness to troll the poo poo out of GW. ...and let's not forget his fabulous hair 
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Phoon posted:Should just be "still happening"  Decided I have enough Plague to make two different strains, current lot are pink and bone washed in black and a pale green, thinking i might do the other strain NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jul 5, 2014 |
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I did half of mine as night time half as daytime
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Phoon posted:Should just be "still happening" Perfect!
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Phoon posted:Should just be "still happening"  enri posted:...and let's not forget his fabulous hair He is quite wonderfully coiffed, isn't he? 
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OK ok someone let me in on the joke
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signalnoise posted:OK ok someone let me in on the joke GW has apparently cancelled Games Day altogether in the US, possibly everywhere.
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