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Croccers posted:I always forget that holding the Biolabs gives a regen. What is the rate on it? ANTs are part of phase 3. https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/july-resource-revamp.170991/
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Carteret posted:ANTs are part of phase 3. https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/july-resource-revamp.170991/ Yes yes yes yes Epic High Five posted:You can only earn up to 10,000, but you can get certmases to above that. You just have to spend down to below 10,000 to start earning them again Awesome.
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Jul 9, 2014 00:28
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What the gently caress Emerald TR? While platoons just standing over the edge if Zot's landing pad and firing in to nothing. God it made me so mad that I judged started TKing until I was locked. Territories were falling left and right yet red retards were just shooting their load into the trees.
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Excelsiortothemax posted:What the gently caress Emerald TR? While platoons just standing over the edge if Zot's landing pad and firing in to nothing. God it made me so mad that I judged started TKing until I was locked. Territories were falling left and right yet red retards were just shooting their load into the trees. I was playing VS while this was happening. It is honestly amazing how TR makes the exact wrong calls on things to do so consistently. The point of a defense is to hold an important territory and/or force them to tie up more resources than you in the battle. They did the exact opposite on both accounts.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:44
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Epic High Five posted:You can only earn up to 10,000, but you can get certmases to above that. You just have to spend down to below 10,000 to start earning them again  not knowing exactly what to refund when they did the first of their "oops we hosed up we're refunding your SC in certs". I was not one of the lucky winners. 
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Jul 9, 2014 02:46
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Fuzz posted:I don't like how you always have a steady stream of Nanites at all times fullstop.
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Jul 9, 2014 03:02
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Snowballing is a HUGE problem to playing Team Underpop, so a steady stream of nanites when you are defending your 4 bases will actually be a huge benefit. You can't counter the 10 HE tanks with C4 because... you can't afford any!
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Jul 9, 2014 03:04
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I don't really understand the benefits of this whole nanite system. What are they trying to go for here, and how is that better than what we have now?
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Jul 9, 2014 03:24
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Carteret posted:ANTs are part of phase 3. https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/july-resource-revamp.170991/ So basically, after spending a year and a half reinventing the wheel, they decided to chuck out their strange square shaped creation and just go back to the wheel, anyway? 
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Jul 9, 2014 03:41
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Vargs posted:I don't really understand the benefits of this whole nanite system. What are they trying to go for here, and how is that better than what we have now? I think the idea is that they can make bases more defensible if a protracted siege of the base will eventually run its defenders dry. You know, like PS1. This will theoretically lead to longer fights, which would be desirable over a bunch of ghostcap zergs. But,
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Vargs posted:I don't really understand the benefits of this whole nanite system. What are they trying to go for here, and how is that better than what we have now? -one resource to track -resources are spent when you use the item/vehicle -current plan is to go from zero to full in 10 minutes -eventually, bases will actually matter and resources from a base will be a limiting factor -we'll eventually get ANTs as attachments to Sunderers (probably) to refill nanites at bases, allowing you to have a clutch rear end convoy that saves the day. Read all the SOE responses in the roadmap thread, they go into further detail what the plan is.
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Nakar posted:This is a first phase. The eventual intent is to transition to a PS1-style system where resources "flow" down the lattice lanes and you actually have to protect your connection to the warpgate, and possibly where you can/have to supply them. I remember some times where I'd go to sleep after playing PS1, wake up, and the battle was pretty much still going on. I'm not sure how I really feel about that kind of thing, but I definitely like the idea of more protracted battles in some cases.
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Eonwe posted:I remember some times where I'd go to sleep after playing PS1, wake up, and the battle was pretty much still going on. I'm not sure how I really feel about that kind of thing, but I definitely like the idea of more protracted battles in some cases. AlteracvalleySide. Oh no. Oh no...
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Jul 9, 2014 03:54
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Yeah I don't necessarily think that is a great idea, but if they made base captures more interesting I would definitely like some more drawn out battles at times.
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Vargs posted:I don't really understand the benefits of this whole nanite system. What are they trying to go for here, and how is that better than what we have now? The benefits is to avoid what happens now. You get an ESF, die, get a Tank, die, get a MAX, die, rinse repeat. The idea behind it (and don't quote me on this) is to make everything you purchase matter more, from infantry consumables to having to choose between flying or tanking. Right now resources don't matter for poo poo, but with the resource system eventually you'd have ANTs running to resource nodes and having to resupply bases adding much needed logistics to what is otherwise, a pretty good video war game.
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TOTALI-TERRAN TUESDAY OPS was fantastic guys, thanks everybody who showed up. A little hectic at first trying to get everybody in and organized (ended up having 3 full squads for awhile!) but after that we held a crazy amount of sway among other TR forces who were, to put it mildly, a bit less than drat helpful most of the time. Was really great seeing all manner of goons come together and rage at the moronic TR and their baffling inability to capitalize on their own arsenal. No, we really aren't exaggerating when we talk about guns like the TORQ, SABR, Jaguar, CARV, and Armistice. They really ARE that good. Excelsiortothemax posted:What the gently caress Emerald TR? While platoons just standing over the edge if Zot's landing pad and firing in to nothing. God it made me so mad that I judged started TKing until I was locked. Territories were falling left and right yet red retards were just shooting their load into the trees. I was glad to see this happen early, because I felt it was important that you guys got to see a classic example of the people we are fighting alongside and what we can expect from them in future ops aka we cannot expect anything of them. While we were securing Ixtab and surrounding territories (including multiple even pop defeats of DA+co) we lost our Prowlers because the TR couldn't defend Chac with 60% of the pop in the hex and it being lightly attacked in any case. Once that fell, Hossin TR pop dropped to 25% and we couldn't defend ANYWHERE. Anime Schoolgirl posted:There are people who got 50000 certs out of Nor was I, but with more perspective certs have a very real diminishing return aspect. If I could give 80% of the certs I earn to new GOONs I would in a heartbeat because frankly they're useless to me. I've got 9,900 on WEARY and with the resource overhaul I'm set to get 9,500 more in refunds and I'm already stretched for things to spend them on. Or if at BR100 you had the option to earn half certs, but that reduced amount of certs would become available to your alts as well Epic High Five fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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Gonna miss my dual cosmos+ex mags when i rax them haha did some serious max play today and the best poo poo was just firing non stop with 2 pubbie engys asking over prox if i'm bugged or am i really still firing hahahaha.
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Fuzz posted:So basically, after spending a year and a half reinventing the wheel, they decided to chuck out their strange square shaped creation and just go back to the wheel, anyway? The resource system they're proposing for PS2 is nothing at all like what we had in PS1. The mechanics are vaguely reminiscent but their impact upon the game will be totally different.
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Am I the only one who thinks the proposed ANT system of "ANT is an upgrade on Sunderers and Harrassers" is bad? Unless every ANT vehicle is auto-spotted on the map and has huge flashing lights they're going to be frequently ignored because they're well behind the front lines. I mean, I guess it'll give liberators something to do behind enemy lines but ... it seems like a dedicated vehicle that everyone knows is a high priority target would be a better way to handle it.
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Jul 9, 2014 07:32
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I don't get what the gently caress people loved so much about ANT's. Sure it was sometimes fun to air drop an ANT into a hotly contested base, but it was just busywork otherwise and we don't have loadstars to drop in Ants. I'm sure there's better ways to do it than just forcing people to play Euro Truck Simulator to top off bases.
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o muerte posted:Am I the only one who thinks the proposed ANT system of "ANT is an upgrade on Sunderers and Harrassers" is bad? Unless every ANT vehicle is auto-spotted on the map and has huge flashing lights they're going to be frequently ignored because they're well behind the front lines. I'm pretty sure they've mentioned two things that change this from the ANTs of old (Gathering energy in a nice safe WG). 1- You get resources from semi random map locations that will presumably be shown to everyone. 2- The "ANT" module will be visual, unsure if it will show current capacity. So basically I expect it to play out more like a feeding frenzy with a bit of LLU gameplay mixed in. Rather than trucking from WG, you will be hunting for resources and attempting to get back somewhere safely.
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Chance posted:I'm pretty sure they've mentioned two things that change this from the ANTs of old (Gathering energy in a nice safe WG). I hope this plays out like snowman hunting, I loved driving around esamir solo in a harasser getting in fights with random NC and TR who were doing the same thing. It was a good way to spread people out and encourage small random clashes in places where most players would never go.
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o muerte posted:Am I the only one who thinks the proposed ANT system of "ANT is an upgrade on Sunderers and Harrassers" is bad? Unless every ANT vehicle is auto-spotted on the map and has huge flashing lights they're going to be frequently ignored because they're well behind the front lines. I think malorn mentioned putting them on the map in real time for all three empires so you know what's up, ideally it becomes a big cluster gently caress VIP escort mission.
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Fans posted:I don't get what the gently caress people loved so much about ANT's. Sure it was sometimes fun to air drop an ANT into a hotly contested base, but it was just busywork otherwise and we don't have loadstars to drop in Ants. ANTs in PS1 were poo poo and yeah, it was just busywork for bad players who'd rather get their certs doing something other than being in combat. But for this iteration, ANTs will supposedly be fueled at certain areas on the map and not the warpgates. The areas you fuel them at will apparently also correspond with the potency of the nanites. Fueling them at more central locations will, I guess, involve purestrain 100% organic nanites and thus be a bigger recharge for territories but would be harder to accomplish. Furthermore, any base connected to the warpgate by the lattice is intended to have passive power regen sufficient to be worth something like 2 squads worth of dudes. So nobody will have to refuel bases where nothing's going on. Refueling bases will only need to be done during big fights where some combination of a lot of people over a long period time are fighting. In PS1 the ANT/power system was there to compensate for the awful base design that resulted in multi-hour slogs to cap certain bases in some situations. The PS2 ANT/power system is being designed to give more strategic depth to territory captures by allowing attackers to cut off territories that might otherwise be hard to take and deny the defenders access to grenades, C4, MAXs, and so on. The two systems are similar only in very vague senses, and it's clear that the PS2 devs are not simply copy/pasting this feature from PS1 in any respect.
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1 ANT sundy with 3 escort sundies filled with burster/falcon maxes and engies sounds like a lot of fun to me.
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Periphery posted:1 ANT sundy with 3 escort sundies filled with burster/falcon maxes and engies sounds like a lot of fun to me. Sounds like a prime target for sniping lockdown AP prowlers.
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Gonkish posted:Sounds like a prime target for sniping lockdown AP prowlers. 15 falcon maxes and a couple repair sundies should be able to handle that pretty easily. I'd be more worried about Lancers.
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If the Lancers had a clear LOS that sundie swarm would be dead before they could find cover. 
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Let's give VS underbarrel PPAs for all their guns.
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Westy543 posted:Let's give VS underbarrel PPAs for all their guns. Even a one shot PPA underbarrel would give you more range then the current UBGL. I'm in favor of this.
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I can see the legions of PPA Musketmen now, shoulder to shoulder.
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Excelsiortothemax posted:What the gently caress Emerald TR? While platoons just standing over the edge if Zot's landing pad and firing in to nothing. God it made me so mad that I judged started TKing until I was locked. Territories were falling left and right yet red retards were just shooting their load into the trees. That's just how TR is, you have to learn to accept that. Outfits are mostly organized, but general infantry TR is a poo poo show of conscripts and drunks, stoners and house wives, all of them jammed together into one barely thinking swarm of maddened killers. I LOVE THEM ALL. Best fight I ever had was when we(TR) got warp gated on Indar and could just hop in a tank and be in the battle of our lives in, like, twenty seconds. I wish we got warp gated more often sometimes. Yesterday I was following a zerg of TR infantry only to come to the conclusion that we were running into the middle of nowhere for no reason. It was hilarious watching 40+ guys come to a stop one by one as confusion dawned. I love TR> hatesfreedom fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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Epic High Five posted:TOTALI-TERRAN TUESDAY OPS was fantastic guys, thanks everybody who showed up. A little hectic at first trying to get everybody in and organized (ended up having 3 full squads for awhile!) but after that we held a crazy amount of sway among other TR forces who were, to put it mildly, a bit less than drat helpful most of the time. 
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Epic High Five posted:Not if you're NC! Flying is generally pretty great right now. Nothing like getting jumped by some BR100 Scythe airsperg who normally would one clip you while you try to just get your goddamn thrusters to lock, only to watch him try to book it from 3 AH+AB pod Reavers that he didn't see and has no hope in the world of escaping from because they are like 70kmph faster than him when burning. That's definitely no airsperg then! Just a regular BR 100 who is bad at flying. Air meta is terrible now but that's fine because the only air meta that actually does thing is a GOKU Scythe swarm.
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Gonkish posted:The air game at this point is basically "it's a taxi, don't bother otherwise". Starting out right now has to be completely awful. You'll just get poo poo on by the uberspergs until you give up, and no amount of Coyotes or similar poo poo is going to save you. You just pull an ESF, die instantly, and don't even know why so that you might be able to survive a split-second longer next time. It's not really worth bothering with, if you ask me. I've had more /tells from being chased in my max-AB and speed Reaver and then just bailing out as an LA and landing on the tech plant or wherever than anywhere else On Ceres at least the airspergs just cannot understand why you will not play on their terms and are frustrated that you won't let them kill you I used to have fun when the A2A missiles actually, you know, locked on, and you could drop rank 100s from nowhere with a bit of co-ordination and a couple of pals but seriously just gently caress flying ESFs forever now
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On Miller our new squad answer to a base being difficult is Banshee's and A2A missile Mossie swarms. You want angry tells? It's perfect for those. Always fly with friends, the Air isn't the place for the Solo pilot.
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Gonkish posted:Sounds like a prime target for sniping lockdown AP prowlers. And/or suicide afterburner/comp armor lib runs. Westy543 posted:Let's give VS underbarrel PPAs for all their guns. Underbarrel PPA on the Beamer. #JusticeForVSGuns.
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Fans posted:I'm sure there's better ways to do it than just forcing people to play Euro Truck Simulator to top off bases. Uh, euro truck sim rules, I don't see a problem here.
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Mortimer posted:Uh, euro truck sim rules, I don't see a problem here. Be waiting around for 30 minutes while a new trucker tries to back it in to the loading dock. I'd pay money for this.
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