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Chantilly Say posted:Okay, on the balance of it I'm gonna say thanks for saving me from getting into a bad situation. I'll go somewhere else and look at China again in a couple years. Take the time to become a certified teacher where you currently are, if that's an option for you financially. Then you can try for international schools, which are the king jobs.
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I'm going to China tomorrow (Tianjin)! I'm very excited. Thanks goldboilermark for the advice and help.
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Turns out the Shanghai job has been filled, sorry. It was only a summer position anyway, but it would have given you a taste of the country. RE: Hong Kong and experience You'd have to get an employer to sponsor your visa. This is very rare, because although there aren't experience limits and stuff written in law in HK, the employer does have to prove that your job couldn't be filled by a local*. Since there are lots of native English teachers floating about HK with the right to work here (who count as locals), that's actually not as easy as it sounds to pull off. So your experience might be an issue. What was your BA in? Do you hold dual nationality? (I'm assuming you're American) Some countries qualify for Working Holiday visas in HK, which again is a short-term thing but would get you started. Plus if you do a good job it's easier for a company to sponsor your visa because a) they already like you, and b) they can easily claim that you have insider knowledge that makes you more valuable to them than a random local. *This is how International Schools make sure that they can bring people across. Because you're inherently more familiar with the US curriculum than a local here would be.
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I know plenty of people who have come over in 2014, have residence permits as ESL teachers, and do not have those requirements. I'm not gonna say it's totally legal and there's nothing shady about it, but I will say "not totally legal" and "sorta shady" are par for the course in China. I am in Chengdu, for reference. That said I think you're making the smarter decision in not coming. For non-teaching it's the same deal, but with 5 years instead of 2. I guess teaching has lower requirements since China knows the ESL market would implode if they imposed anything stricter as they'd have to start offering competitive wages and good benefits packages as a side effect of having to hire qualified instructors and keep them on for longer than the average 1 year turnaround time.
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Magna Kaser posted:I know plenty of people who have come over in 2014, have residence permits as ESL teachers, and do not have those requirements. I'm not gonna say it's totally legal and there's nothing shady about it, but I will say "not totally legal" and "sorta shady" are par for the course in China. I am in Chengdu, for reference. People do get deported for it, at least for non-Z visas in Beijing. My previous employer has been having it happen a couple times a year since 2011.
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It's a slow thread, so don't worry about posting your job details. Someone here tried asking a job for 11 rmb an hour, someone tried sueing their employer. So yeah, don't be shy. And if you can, teach at an international school or consider the Hong Kong NET program. For other stupid stuff you should chill out with us in the LAN thread
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Magna Kaser posted:I guess teaching has lower requirements since China knows the ESL market would implode... Fun fact, the oldest reference I have found to the worthless status of English language teachers in China comes from an Imperial Edict related to the operation of the Tongwenguan - the forerunner to Peking University - in the latter half of the C19th (I have lost my reference and the book is poorly indexed so I don't have the exact date or quote). It said (from memory) "for the teaching of language, any foreigner will do but for the teaching of specialist subjects there must be appointed men of education". drat yo'. And yes, things are tightening up quite a bit these days. No bad thing in my opinion.
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I'm going back to school for a teaching degree, and international schools are one of the four doors that will be open to me after I'm done.
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VideoTapir posted:I'm going back to school for a teaching degree, and international schools are one of the four doors that will be open to me after I'm done. 
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Drunk Tomato posted:I'm going to China tomorrow (Tianjin)! I'm very excited. Thanks goldboilermark for the advice and help. Have a great time! I've been in the States for about four days and I miss Tianjin. I passed along my WeChat in the PM and if you need any help you can add me there, it's easy to send maps, voice messages, explanations and the like for the things you and the wife were looking to do. Have fun and stay safe!
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VideoTapir posted:Had they worked in China since 2012? Yeah, I first wandered into China right after graduating. Because I'd been in a program that required a year of student teaching and had worked for a tutoring center for a year, it "counted" and I got my visa--despite it not fitting the letter of the law. Nobody was really enforcing it in 2011--I met a lot of people who got hired at 21 and had Zs. This isn't possible anymore, legally, unless you've got a superhigh degree or specialty. Definitely get another year of teaching under your belt, get certified, maybe even substitute teach. International schools and universities are, I think, way better than cram or language schools, and practical experience will make finding those jobs easier.
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caberham posted:someone tried sueing their employer. was there any update to that? Last I saw it looked like it was actually working.
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I want an update on the one birth control pill sister-in-law, but we can't always get what we want
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One of my new coworkers is 23 and fresh out of school, and on a Z visa, with our actual employer as his official employer. But they have him listed as an IT consultant rather than as a teacher, and there was an agent and a pile of money involved. Basically almost like places used to do for F visas except it's a Z. I think that rumor about New Oriental not being able to get Z visas for teachers anymore may be true.
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Jul 10, 2014 21:05
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Baddog posted:was there any update to that? Last I saw it looked like it was actually working. Dude is back in Canada and said that if he had to do it again he "probably wouldn't" have gone the legal route, which is what the majority of the people in this thread were suggesting. I think he's doing well though and that's all that matters really.
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VideoTapir posted:I think that rumor about New Oriental not being able to get Z visas for teachers anymore may be true. You can check the list of Alien Employment License Numbers on the SAFEA website.
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goldboilermark posted:Dude is back in Canada and said that if he had to do it again he "probably wouldn't" have gone the legal route, which is what the majority of the people in this thread were suggesting. I think he's doing well though and that's all that matters really. Not sure how well he's doing, honestly. Consider that he still posts all the time in the China threads, he's stuck in Quebec, is considering a 15 hour drive to get a bottle of baijiu because he misses China so bad, and he's still "dating" the same Chinese girl who is stuck at the other end of the planet.
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MeramJert posted:Not sure how well he's doing, honestly. Consider that he still posts all the time in the China threads, he's stuck in Quebec, is considering a 15 hour drive to get a bottle of baijiu because he misses China so bad, and he's still "dating" the same Chinese girl who is stuck at the other end of the planet. I'm doing pretty good, thanks for asking! I like keeping up with you guys though, so I post in the threads. Honestly though things are going great. My girlfriend and I are doing well. She'll be coming by in a few weeks to stay for a month probably -we're happy and that's what counts I suppose! However, a few clarifications: I never sued my employer. I basically visited a lawyer and they gave some advice but I chose not to go forward with it. This cost me nothing except cab fare to the lawyer's office (10 RMB). I did however leave the country legally and in the good graces of the PSB. Me contemplating driving to Maine (a 6 hour drive) is mostly me enjoying 2 things: going places to meet people and hanging out with goons (always interesting). Baijiu and missing China are a strong part of it, but I can survive without even then. I probably wouldn't work again in China though! Definitely visit. The other reason is that right now I have a pretty good job I enjoy working for a non-profit. Also, the idea that I'm *stuck* in my homeland is laughable. I love it here, and I missed it dearly. If you want me to stop posting in these threads then well, ok, MeramJert! I'll do it as a favor for you.
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Ceciltron posted:I'm doing pretty good, thanks for asking! I like keeping up with you guys though, so I post in the threads. Honestly though things are going great. My girlfriend and I are doing well. She'll be coming by in a few weeks to stay for a month probably -we're happy and that's what counts I suppose! Holy poo poo 
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http://www.techinasia.com/instagram-removed-from-chinas-app-stores-after-apps-blocked-in-china/ Here's a story for you. Because you dudes in HK were being assholes, now line, kakaotalk and instagram are done here! So selfish.
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Bloodnose posted:I still feel cheated out of an English teacher China lawsuit story I just wanted the rear end in a top hat boss to be taught a lesson.
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Magna Kaser posted:http://www.techinasia.com/instagram-removed-from-chinas-app-stores-after-apps-blocked-in-china/ That is the opposite of what that article says
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Ceciltron posted:If you want me to stop posting in these threads then well, ok, MeramJert! I'll do it as a favor for you. Once apart of China, always apart of China! We can update you on the current street making GBS threads situation.
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Bloodnose posted:That is the opposite of what that article says I know how to read news about Asia.
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Ceciltron posted:I'm doing pretty good, thanks for asking! I like keeping up with you guys though, so I post in the threads. Honestly though things are going great. My girlfriend and I are doing well. She'll be coming by in a few weeks to stay for a month probably -we're happy and that's what counts I suppose! Nice! Don't stop posting if you don't want to, it's not bothering me!
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Ceciltron posted:"Where Are They Now" update I've talked to other people about your situation before, and it seems like the main lesson everyone comes away with is "When your job sucks: keep your head down, get passive-aggressive, and QYJ as soon as another appears"
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Skip right to the QYJ part. Don't be child about it. Edit: you gotta be really terrible to get fired from an english teaching job in China, is what I mean. Passive aggresive doesn't matter.
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Tom Smykowski posted:Skip right to the QYJ part. Don't be child about it. Right but there's going to be a chunk of time between getting shafted on salary/overtime and being able to hop into a new job. So I'm saying be sorta amiable and half-rear end your job so you have more time to find a new one. Maybe I should have phrased it as half-rear end the work instead of passive-aggressively deal with people.
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merarmarmarm jet you douchebag look what you gone and done
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Remember this isn't the LAN thread. Do any of you guys have Kakaotalk and could confirm it doesn't work anymore? That would be unfortunate for me.
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systran posted:merarmarmarm jet you douchebag look what you gone and done  Grand Fromage posted:Remember this isn't the LAN thread. Nope, sorry. I don't even know what Kakaotalk is.
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It's the messaging app literally everyone in Korea uses so I'd be using it to keep in contact with friends here. Caberham is the only one of yous I know who has it but he isn't in Real China so it doesn't apply.
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I just asked a Korean dude in Chengdu and he said it still works. And then he said gently caress you so clearly I have rude friends.
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I only know koreans who use kakaotalk. LINE is a lot weirder since actual Chinese people use that. Uniqlo and Ito Yokado also give out QR codes you can scan for LINE credit and there's been huge advertising campaigns all around china for the last half-year. LINE will probably get kinda angry about this as they were actually starting to make headway. Thats why this feels more like blocking it to protect domestic interests more than anything. Who the gently caress cares about LINE?
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Ceciltron posted:I probably wouldn't work again in China though! Just incase you were wondering you can't legally work in China again since you never went through with suing for release so the decision has been made for you.
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Arakan posted:Just incase you were wondering you can't legally work in China again since you never went through with suing for release so the decision has been made for you. Do Canadian passport numbers change when they are renewed? GuestBob fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jul 11, 2014 |
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Grand Fromage posted:It's the messaging app literally everyone in Korea uses so I'd be using it to keep in contact with friends here. Caberham is the only one of yous I know who has it but he isn't in Real China so it doesn't apply. KakaoTalk still works, but registering for KakaoTalk doesn't.
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GuestBob posted:You can check the list of Alien Employment License Numbers on the SAFEA website. Where do you do that? Got a link?
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