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Leper Residue
Sep 28, 2003

To where no dog has gone before.

Coffee And Pie posted:

Contagion was pretty solid.


That's kind of the joke though, isn't it?

Wouldn't surprise me since it would be just as funny as the rest of the movie.

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang




oh my god that is not a parody. I had completely forgotten what that scene was like so I didn't realize it was the real thing until Rene Russo came on. "oh but what about aids" "ah gently caress it who cares"

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy

Snapchat A Titty posted:

oh my god that is not a parody. I had completely forgotten what that scene was like so I didn't realize it was the real thing until Rene Russo came on. "oh but what about aids" "ah gently caress it who cares"
Yeah, I retract my earlier objection - that's way dumber than I remembered. :v:

Patattack
Nov 23, 2008

The English Language!

May Contain Nuts posted:

That sure is the plot of the movie.
I'm reading two possible things from this:

1. You don't like that he keeps his original memories. That happening was mentioned before his consciousness was sent back in time. It wasn't just a random thing that happened.

2. You don't like that the original timeline was intact right up until the one big thing that changes the future because anything he does would change the future butterfly effect style. That's probably true, but every alternate future he was creating had one thing in common, super sentinels being created because of some event(s) occuring involving mutants and the government in 1973. So until Mystique is definitely not captured in any possible future timeline, there will always be super sentinels that destroy the world and there is always going to be a final send-Wolverine-back standoff assuming that the core cast is still alive in that timeline's eventual war.

The biggest problem is that the Wolverine from the non-Sentinel universe is essentially killed. He had a life, built relationships, knew what was going on in the world - and then his consciousness was utterly wiped out and replaced with the Wolverine from the lovely future, who has none of the same memories post-1970s.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Pilchenstein posted:

Yeah, I retract my earlier objection - that's way dumber than I remembered. :v:

It literally plays out like someone making fun of what went wrong in the scene. Straight up comedy. As I remembered the movie, it was all serious. I guess it was a comedy.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Patattack posted:

The biggest problem is that the Wolverine from the non-Sentinel universe is essentially killed. He had a life, built relationships, knew what was going on in the world - and then his consciousness was utterly wiped out and replaced with the Wolverine from the lovely future, who has none of the same memories post-1970s.

My understanding was that they merged.

May Contain Nuts
Sep 12, 2007

but still delicious

Patattack posted:

The biggest problem is that the Wolverine from the non-Sentinel universe is essentially killed. He had a life, built relationships, knew what was going on in the world - and then his consciousness was utterly wiped out and replaced with the Wolverine from the lovely future, who has none of the same memories post-1970s.

I agree 100%. But that is a problem for the characters, not a problem with the movie. Although I'm sure Professor X could just do a mind conference thing, don't knew what it would be called, with everyone important to Wolverine over the previous 50 years and give his mind a third person account of everything. It's not like he hasn't had his mind/memories hosed with before.

As far as it being a bad situation for his history students, I'm sure they can get another teacher, and the alternative is being dead because of sentinels.

WickedHate posted:

My understanding was that they merged.

The didn't or he wouldn't have had the 'holy poo poo everyone is alive' thing at the end. Or the 'the last thing I remember is 1973' thing.

May Contain Nuts has a new favorite as of 00:43 on Jul 12, 2014

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
In the Planet of the Apes movies, why do the apes live in human-like relationships? Gorillas live in family harems. Orangutans are solitary, and chimps don't form any form of partnership. Chimps have sperm warfare built into their genes, gorillas don't. Why the hell would they mimic human monogamy?

Esroc
May 31, 2010

Goku would be ashamed of you.

Cowslips Warren posted:

In the Planet of the Apes movies, why do the apes live in human-like relationships? Gorillas live in family harems. Orangutans are solitary, and chimps don't form any form of partnership. Chimps have sperm warfare built into their genes, gorillas don't. Why the hell would they mimic human monogamy?

Not only that, but in regards to Rise and Dawn their population is ridiculously small. If they were really going to grow and be able to rival humanity they'd need multiple partners. So right off the bat you're running into an issue where monogamous relationships would possibly cause the population to stagnate.

The rest can be explained away as them not being fully chimp/orangutan/gorilla anymore now that they're sapient. Humans can deny their baser instincts when the situation calls for it. There's no reason the Apes couldn't.

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Cowslips Warren posted:

In the Planet of the Apes movies, why do the apes live in human-like relationships? Gorillas live in family harems. Orangutans are solitary, and chimps don't form any form of partnership. Chimps have sperm warfare built into their genes, gorillas don't. Why the hell would they mimic human monogamy?

Easy answer: Humans made the movie before these things about ape relationships were known. In-universe answer: The apes formed their society & thus their relationships on the ruins of human societies (The first 3 Planet of the Apes all support this, I don't recall the 4th & 5th exactly).

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

The worst kind of tornado.

Patattack posted:

The biggest problem is that the Wolverine from the non-Sentinel universe is essentially killed. He had a life, built relationships, knew what was going on in the world - and then his consciousness was utterly wiped out and replaced with the Wolverine from the lovely future, who has none of the same memories post-1970s.

Wolverine went like forty years in the comics without being able to remember the name he was born with. This is actually less dumb than the source media when it comes to reasons his mind gets wiped, because "time travel" is slightly more plausible than "top secret Canadian biological weapons program."

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Bill Dungsroman posted:

You would have to be completely deaf not to hear a spinning centrifuge, not to mention you would feel it moving when you went to open it.

There are no plausible excuses for anyone working in a lab to blindly open a running centrifuge and jam their hand into it.


I don't know about your fancy big time movie epidemiologists, but I know more than one biochemist who will happily slow down a low speed centrifuge by reaching into it and pressing down on the centre of the rotor with his finger.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Just saw Days of Future past:

What the hell was Xavier's telepathy powers being tied to his ability to walk? He took a pill that suppressed his powers but also allowed him to walk? How was he walking around in First Class?

Also as awesome as Quicksilver's scene was I'm annoyed at how little he was actually involved in the movie You'd think his ability to be faster than bullets would be useful in stopping an assassination where someone gets shot. He just felt like kind of a deus ex machina since he's literally in the movie to solve a single problem and never relevant again

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?
What I don't get about Planet of the Apes is how the apes actually managed to take over the world. Their population should have stagnated, as mentioned above, but how did they ever manage to move beyond their initial continent? It's not like humans are going to ferry them to other countries, and I don't see how they could master air or sea travel and manage to defend themselves from retaliatory strikes from humans. Not to mention the whole idea of them somehow managing to beat up and kill a species which owns guns.

I know, suspension of belief, but it's just dumb.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Roro posted:

What I don't get about Planet of the Apes is how the apes actually managed to take over the world. Their population should have stagnated, as mentioned above, but how did they ever manage to move beyond their initial continent? It's not like humans are going to ferry them to other countries, and I don't see how they could master air or sea travel and manage to defend themselves from retaliatory strikes from humans. Not to mention the whole idea of them somehow managing to beat up and kill a species which owns guns.

I know, suspension of belief, but it's just dumb.

In the original Planet of the Apes the explanation is that a lot of animals die out from some disease so man breeds a bunch of humanoid apes and they're sold around the world.

In the new "Rise" series the ape intelligence stuff spreads because of the anti-Alzheimer's virus from the first movie. Its highly communicable, kills humans but makes primates intelligent. It spreads because the dickhole neighbor from the first movie gets infected and is an airline pilot, so he goes to an international airport where everybody there is infected and then flies to ANOTHER international airport where it spreads from as well.

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?

muscles like this? posted:

In the original Planet of the Apes the explanation is that a lot of animals die out from some disease so man breeds a bunch of humanoid apes and they're sold around the world.

In the new "Rise" series the ape intelligence stuff spreads because of the anti-Alzheimer's virus from the first movie. Its highly communicable, kills humans but makes primates intelligent. It spreads because the dickhole neighbor from the first movie gets infected and is an airline pilot, so he goes to an international airport where everybody there is infected and then flies to ANOTHER international airport where it spreads from as well.

Ohh. I never watched them properly, so I didn't see that part. Consider my complaint redacted! :downs:

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy

Away all Goats posted:

Just saw Days of Future past:

What the hell was Xavier's telepathy powers being tied to his ability to walk? He took a pill that suppressed his powers but also allowed him to walk? How was he walking around in First Class?
Cause he didn't have a spinal injury yet? They do explain in the film that the serum represses mutant powers by something something regenerates dna, so a side effect of surpressing his powers is that his injury heals. But somehow only temporarily. Unstable molecules or some poo poo. :v:

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


He got shot at the end of First Class.

Mister Nobody
Feb 17, 2011
The initial purpose of the serum wasn't to suppress his powers. Beast made it so he could walk again, the unintended consequence was that it ended suppressing his powers.

In short Dr. McCoy can only make useful things by accident.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Away all Goats posted:

Also as awesome as Quicksilver's scene was I'm annoyed at how little he was actually involved in the movie You'd think his ability to be faster than bullets would be useful in stopping an assassination where someone gets shot. He just felt like kind of a deus ex machina since he's literally in the movie to solve a single problem and never relevant again

He is, to be fair, just some random kid in it for shits and giggles. He was probably asked, but not interested.

Obdicut
May 15, 2012

"What election?"
TV/Books and not movie, but:

Why don't the wildlings and White Walkers just come around the seaward end of the giant ice wall? The walkers don't even need to breathe, right?

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Obdicut posted:

TV/Books and not movie, but:

Why don't the wildlings and White Walkers just come around the seaward end of the giant ice wall? The walkers don't even need to breathe, right?

Its been a while since I read the books and the show doesn't quite touch on it but I believe there are other manned castles on the ends of the wall.

Esroc
May 31, 2010

Goku would be ashamed of you.
The Wildings specifically mention in one episode that they will go around The Wall if they can't fight their way through the Night's Watch. Though I can't imagine why laying siege to Castle Black is easier than just going around in the first place. Maybe they don't have the materials and tools to build enough boats.

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

Esroc posted:

The Wildings specifically mention in one episode that they will go around The Wall if they can't fight their way through the Night's Watch. Though I can't imagine why laying siege to Castle Black is easier than just going around in the first place. Maybe they don't have the materials and tools to build enough boats.

Yeah but the better answer is they just haven't tried yet/the plot of the show and books doesn't seem to be going in that direction yet.

Also the wall is magical (how else could it be so preposterously old/high and made of ice?) and the magic specifically prevents them from crossing that boundary.

Eclipse12
Feb 20, 2008

syscall girl posted:

Yeah but the better answer is they just haven't tried yet/the plot of the show and books doesn't seem to be going in that direction yet.

Also the wall is magical (how else could it be so preposterously old/high and made of ice?) and the magic specifically prevents them from crossing that boundary.

Well, the Wildlings have upwards of 100,000 people. Imagine moving a group that size from Iowa to California and then trying to build thousands of boats (with almost no experience in the area) and sail very dangerous, rocky waters. Then when you land it's another 1000+ miles to get back into any kind of civilization. One of the books said that the army barely moved 5 miles per day, so that trip would take years. The wall almost seems easy in comparison.

Plus, "winter is coming." They don't have much time to spare.

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

Eclipse12 posted:

Well, the Wildlings have upwards of 100,000 people. Imagine moving a group that size from Iowa to California and then trying to build thousands of boats (with almost no experience in the area) and sail very dangerous, rocky waters. Then when you land it's another 1000+ miles to get back into any kind of civilization. One of the books said that the army barely moved 5 miles per day, so that trip would take years. The wall almost seems easy in comparison.

Plus, "winter is coming." They don't have much time to spare.

Sorry I missed "the wildlings" in the first post and was referring to the white walkers. I think they literally can't cross the wall because magic.

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

Yeah, there's some kind of magic ward that as long as the Night's Watch mans the Wall, white walkers can't pass through it. This is confirmed when (I haven't seen season 4 yet so I don't know if this has happened in the show or not) Coldhands can only escort Bran and company to the Wall, not through it.

As for the wildlings, I think it would just be hard, verging on impossible, to bring tens or hundreds of thousands of people and enough food to feed them all across a sea, when there's a hostile force with fortified positions not far away, and then if they do make it they're suddenly sandwiched between the lords of the North at their front and the Night's Watch at their back.

misguided rage
Jun 15, 2010

:shepface:God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title:shepface:

Mister Nobody posted:

The initial purpose of the serum wasn't to suppress his powers. Beast made it so he could walk again, the unintended consequence was that it ended suppressing his powers.

In short Dr. McCoy can only make useful things by accident.
Isn't it the other way around? Beast made it to help control/suppress his own powers, but because of gene something mumbo jumbo it was also able to regenerate Prof X's legs.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

WeaponGradeSadness posted:

Yeah, there's some kind of magic ward that as long as the Night's Watch mans the Wall, white walkers can't pass through it. This is confirmed when (I haven't seen season 4 yet so I don't know if this has happened in the show or not) Coldhands can only escort Bran and company to the Wall, not through it.

As for the wildlings, I think it would just be hard, verging on impossible, to bring tens or hundreds of thousands of people and enough food to feed them all across a sea, when there's a hostile force with fortified positions not far away, and then if they do make it they're suddenly sandwiched between the lords of the North at their front and the Night's Watch at their back.

This is why there's such a big deal about the Horn of Joramun; apparently it can destroy the Wall, and negate the magic that keeps the Others from going south.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Away all Goats posted:

What the hell was Xavier's telepathy powers being tied to his ability to walk? He took a pill that suppressed his powers but also allowed him to walk? How was he walking around in First Class?
I remember in the old cartoon series there were a few episodes where Xavier lost his powers and was suddenly able to walk again. I don't think they explained it at all. I assume it's explained somewhere in the comics and they just copied it into the TV version and movie so that comics fans wouldn't have another reason to complain.

Pneub
Mar 12, 2007

I'M THE DEVIL, AND I WILL WASH OVER THE EARTH AND THE SEAS WILL RUN RED WITH THE BLOOD OF ALL THE SINNERS

I AM REBORN

Tiggum posted:

I assume it's explained somewhere in the comics

It is: he got paralyzed by a boulder falling on him. When that got cured through shenanigans he could walk again.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


And then he got paralyzed, could walk again, got paralyzed, etc etc.

Currently AFAIK he's dead.

Frostwerks
Sep 24, 2007

by Lowtax
Professor X is loving lame anyways. Oh boo hoo I can hear voices and it's so sad waaah.

The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!

Frostwerks posted:

Professor X is loving lame anyways. Oh boo hoo I can hear voices and it's so sad waaah.

He and Randy Orton should start a support group.

MisterBibs
Jul 17, 2010

dolla dolla
bill y'all
Fun Shoe
Two (well, maybe two-and-a-half) things from WALL-E that I know shouldn't bug me, but God save me, they do:

The movie's plot is set in motion when the titular robot finds a viable plant. Inside a rusted-out fridge that he has to weld open to get at. It's been a while since I've been in school, but I think I remember that plants need sunlight to survive. So how the bloody hell does the plant survive long enough to be discovered?

Also, the 'buildings' WALL-E creates out of trash bug the hell out of me. Why would anyone design/program the WALL-Es to build towers basically three times as tall as regular buildings in an environment that has frequent standstorms?

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

MisterBibs posted:

Two (well, maybe two-and-a-half) things from WALL-E that I know shouldn't bug me, but God save me, they do:

The movie's plot is set in motion when the titular robot finds a viable plant. Inside a rusted-out fridge that he has to weld open to get at. It's been a while since I've been in school, but I think I remember that plants need sunlight to survive. So how the bloody hell does the plant survive long enough to be discovered?

Also, the 'buildings' WALL-E creates out of trash bug the hell out of me. Why would anyone design/program the WALL-Es to build towers basically three times as tall as regular buildings in an environment that has frequent standstorms?

That robot was bored as hell. And the building in the face of the inevitable is a quality of humanity, which the machine was intended to reflect.

There are a couple of ways at looking at Ozymandias and he/it clearly chose the first reading.

No idea about the plant, it's been a long time since I've seen it. :shrug:

Your Gay Uncle
Feb 16, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

muscles like this? posted:

Its been a while since I read the books and the show doesn't quite touch on it but I believe there are other manned castles on the ends of the wall.

East Watch by the Sea is the manned Night's Watch castle at the Bay of Ice and holds their fleet. Unlike the Wildlings many of the Night's Watch have sailing expierence and they also have warships, which would be able to devastate any sort of ship the Wildlings could put together. There are rudimentary trading and fishing ships used by the Wildling smugglers that have been able to slip past the Night's Watch but only because they were in small groups. If any flotilla of actual size was detected the Night's Watch would descend on them and destroy them easily. Between the lack of warships, lack of expierence, weather conditions, Night's Watch and the Wights any sort of sea travel would quickly turn into an unmitigated massacre for the Wildlings.

What's stopping them from trying the the other sea route is the Isle of Skaggos, a place Wildlings and Night's Watch tend avoid because of raiders and cannibals. Even Davos, a southron smuggler has heard tales of horror about trying to sail past Skaggos and is terrified of it, so it has a fearsome reputation.

Basically Mance, who was former Night's Watch, knows that the only viable option given the size of his army and time constraints was to surprise the Night's Watch from the south and open the gates. Anything else would be suicide.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

MisterBibs posted:

The movie's plot is set in motion when the titular robot finds a viable plant. Inside a rusted-out fridge that he has to weld open to get at. It's been a while since I've been in school, but I think I remember that plants need sunlight to survive. So how the bloody hell does the plant survive long enough to be discovered?
Turns out the light stays on when you close the door after all

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Your Gay Uncle posted:

East Watch by the Sea is the manned Night's Watch castle at the Bay of Ice and holds their fleet. Unlike the Wildlings many of the Night's Watch have sailing expierence and they also have warships, which would be able to devastate any sort of ship the Wildlings could put together. There are rudimentary trading and fishing ships used by the Wildling smugglers that have been able to slip past the Night's Watch but only because they were in small groups. If any flotilla of actual size was detected the Night's Watch would descend on them and destroy them easily. Between the lack of warships, lack of expierence, weather conditions, Night's Watch and the Wights any sort of sea travel would quickly turn into an unmitigated massacre for the Wildlings.

What's stopping them from trying the the other sea route is the Isle of Skaggos, a place Wildlings and Night's Watch tend avoid because of raiders and cannibals. Even Davos, a southron smuggler has heard tales of horror about trying to sail past Skaggos and is terrified of it, so it has a fearsome reputation.

You've got your geography almost completely backwards. Skagos is to the east of Westeros and the Bay of Ice is to the west. The castle at the extreme western end of the wall (Westwatch-by-the-Bridge) is unmanned apart from occasional patrols from the Shadow Tower. The reason wildlings don't sail down the west coast is because they'd have to portage ships through the Skirling Pass then across 80 miles of solid ice to the Bay. The Milkwater River is out because it runs directly past the Shadow Tower - plus, as the name suggests, it's got some powerful rapids and may not even be navigable all the way down.

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Mister Nobody
Feb 17, 2011
Bringing back the X-Men chat, If im not mistaken Xavier was never paralyzed. The boulder just crushed his legs beyond repair.

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