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There was an arc where an alternate Xavier was going around the multiverse gathering Cyclopses(Cyclopsi?)to power a thing to keep his world running. Ghostlight posted:They're solar charged energy beams Concussive force, aka punches from the punch dimension.
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CapnAndy posted:I've always wondered why Reed Richards isn't doing that. Just set up a room and have Cyclops come in and spend some goggles-off time, and when Scott has something else to do Storm can come in and zap the apparatus with lightning, or the Thing can pound on the walls for a while to work off stress, and so on, and so forth. I'm pretty sure Reef Richards uses way more energy than whatever amount they could generate. Dude regularly builds portals and doomsday devices after all.
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Jul 16, 2014 01:41
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WickedHate posted:There was an arc where an alternate Xavier was going around the multiverse gathering Cyclopses(Cyclopsi?)to power a thing to keep his world running.
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Jul 16, 2014 01:41
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CapnAndy posted:I've always wondered why Reed Richards isn't doing that. Just set up a room and have Cyclops come in and spend some goggles-off time, and when Scott has something else to do Storm can come in and zap the apparatus with lightning, or the Thing can pound on the walls for a while to work off stress, and so on, and so forth. Reed has like a dozen viable ways to end just about every single social problem Earth has. Heck, most of the super-geniuses know of / hold technology that could leap us centuries. I mean, 616 currently deals with ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS capable of inter-stellar travel and all sorts of poo poo. Reason they never adapt is because in reality Earth would look nothing like our Earth and you can't have that because you'd no longer to able to relate to the places shown if everything is super sci-fi. Hell, the last time Reed tried to solve everything he (directly and indirectly) triggered a negatize zone invasion, a mad celestial from another universe invasion, and a kree/inhuman war. AT THE SAME TIME. Happy Noodle Boy fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jul 16, 2014 |
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Jul 16, 2014 01:42
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CapnAndy posted:I've always wondered why Reed Richards isn't doing that. Just set up a room and have Cyclops come in and spend some goggles-off time, and when Scott has something else to do Storm can come in and zap the apparatus with lightning, or the Thing can pound on the walls for a while to work off stress, and so on, and so forth. I always figured Electro made a lot of walking-around money by standing in a room somewhere for a couple of days with a stack of DVDs, pouring wattage into some supervillain's off-the-grid power supply.
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Jul 16, 2014 01:44
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WickedHate posted:There was an arc where an alternate Xavier was going around the multiverse gathering Cyclopses(Cyclopsi?)to power a thing to keep his world running. There's also an Excalibur where Nazi Xavier has Cyclops' eyelids removed and uses him as an energy source. 
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Jul 16, 2014 01:45
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Wanderer posted:I always figured Electro made a lot of walking-around money by standing in a room somewhere for a couple of days with a stack of DVDs, pouring wattage into some supervillain's off-the-grid power supply. Electro would be rich as gently caress if he just chills in airport terminals quick-charging people's phones and laptop.
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Jul 16, 2014 01:45
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Soylentbits posted:I'm pretty sure Reef Richards uses way more energy than whatever amount they could generate. Dude regularly builds portals and doomsday devices after all.  [Fantastic Four #10]
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Jul 16, 2014 01:54
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Reed has like a dozen viable ways to end just about every single social problem Earth has. Heck, most of the super-geniuses know of / hold technology that could leap us centuries. I mean, 616 currently deals with ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS capable of inter-stellar travel and all sorts of poo poo. Reason they never adapt is because in reality Earth would look nothing like our Earth and you can't have that because you'd no longer to able to relate to the places shown if everything is super sci-fi. I figure with Reed it's because most of his inventions, even the most seemingly innocuous, are extremely dangerous if tampered with. Like the unstable molecule costumes he makes, there was a story during Waid's run where a clothing company tried to reverse-engineer Johnny's unstable molecule wallet and almost destroyed New York when it started turning everything it touched into goo. And once Franklin messing around with Reed's palm pilot formed an artifical lifeform that nearly killed Sue and Ben.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:15
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I really liked that explanation-- that Reed was unquestionably a genius but his ability to make something user-friendly and safe (not to mention cost-effective) was well, questionable at best. At the very least it felt more believable and consistent that something like "I can rip hole in space-time and travel to the microverse but gosh-darnit the rhinovirus is just too pesky to tackle!"
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Jul 16, 2014 02:18
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I assume Reed isn't good at making consumer-friendly flying cars, cancer cures, or unlimited energy sources, so he really makes his fortune jumping, say, painting technology into a new renaissance.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:20
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mind the walrus posted:I really liked that explanation-- that Reed was unquestionably a genius but his ability to make something user-friendly and safe (not to mention cost-effective) was well, questionable at best. At the very least it felt more believable and consistent that something like "I can rip hole in space-time and travel to the microverse but gosh-darnit the rhinovirus is just too pesky to tackle!" Waid also had a side comment by Reed in his run that made a lot of things make sense for me: he collects a few fat checks from several large companies not to market his products, because they'd revolutionize the field and put those companies out of business overnight.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:21
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Whole lotta dick love in old comics. No source.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:22
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Wanderer posted:Waid also had a side comment by Reed in his run that made a lot of things make sense for me: he collects a few fat checks from several large companies not to market his products, because they'd revolutionize the field and put those companies out of business overnight. That too, although you can only buy that explanation so many times.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:25
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Say Nothing posted:Whole lotta dick love in old comics. It is almost certainly edited.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:35
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Metal Loaf posted:There was that one time (I think in the X-Factor "Fall of the Mutants" tie-in issues) where Cameron Hodge attacks him wearing this really dorky-looking Lego suit of ruby quartz armour. I had this issue when I was small and read it so many times that the staples fell out.  X-Factor #23, I think the same issue Angel shows up as Death, working for Apocalypse.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:39
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Electro would be rich as gently caress if he just chills in airport terminals quick-charging people's phones and laptop. Spidey: Okay so you're not committing any crimes.... other than extortion! You're charging them $60 a pop to charge these things! Electro: That's not extortion, that's standard airport pricing policy 
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Jul 16, 2014 02:46
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Ignite Memories posted:Which reminds me, how has cyclops not solved the world's energy problems with his INFINITE KINETIC ENERGY thing? Surely you could just have him stare at some kind of turbine all day? Honestly, with Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Peter Parker, and all the other super smart superheroes running around, who says the Marvel universe has energy problems? poo poo, doesn't Tony provide most of the world's power already with Arc Reactors?
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Jul 16, 2014 02:49
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Wanderer posted:Waid also had a side comment by Reed in his run that made a lot of things make sense for me: he collects a few fat checks from several large companies not to market his products, because they'd revolutionize the field and put those companies out of business overnight.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:54
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CapnAndy posted:Taking money to deliberately not improve the lives of the common people is sorta villain behavior, though. You could argue that by putting those companies out of business Reed would cause a devastating economic depression. If they employ a sufficient number of people and consume a sufficient amount of goods and services, the chain reaction would send the entire world into a financial cataclysm.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:56
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A good proportion of mutants could solve the planet's energy crises solo.Horrible Taste posted:I figure with Reed it's because most of his inventions, even the most seemingly innocuous, are extremely dangerous if tampered with. Like the unstable molecule costumes he makes, there was a story during Waid's run where a clothing company tried to reverse-engineer Johnny's unstable molecule wallet and almost destroyed New York when it started turning everything it touched into goo. And once Franklin messing around with Reed's palm pilot formed an artifical lifeform that nearly killed Sue and Ben. As opposed to your average nuclear reactor which is just fine. Sefer posted:Oh no, Green Goblin is attacking this press event I'm attending! I'll just pretend to trip, crawl away, and spend a few hours getting painted so I can fight him off! He just stays painted all the time under his clothes. He did that anyway just for kicks so it was super-convenient when he needed to become Spider-Man.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:57
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ManiacClown posted:You could argue that by putting those companies out of business Reed would cause a devastating economic depression. If they employ a sufficient number of people and consume a sufficient amount of goods and services, the chain reaction would send the entire world into a financial cataclysm. Thing is, Reed is so smart he could probably think up a way to circumvent that with like, a napkin, a pencil, and 15 minutes.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:58
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They haven't solved the world's problems because they're too busy. Peter spends every night beating thugs and supervillains, Reed boldly goes where no man has gone before and stays a while, Tony's factories are blowing up almost every issue, and Banner is a compulsive pants shopper.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:58
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All their excess power goes into rebuilding every city / country that explodes each day. In other news, he's all right!    X-Factor #70
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Jul 16, 2014 03:03
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Captain Bravo posted:Honestly, with Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Peter Parker, and all the other super smart superheroes running around, who says the Marvel universe has energy problems? poo poo, doesn't Tony provide most of the world's power already with Arc Reactors? I'm pretty sure Tony is the only science hero who is regularly shown doing stuff with his company/money. There are Stark Phones, computers and he also does charity work where he provides free cybernetic prosthesis to people who have lost limbs.
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Jul 16, 2014 03:03
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Kalli posted:All their excess power goes into rebuilding every city / country that explodes each day.
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Jul 16, 2014 03:05
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WickedHate posted:It is almost certainly edited.  I don't know.
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Jul 16, 2014 03:26
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muscles like this? posted:I'm pretty sure Tony is the only science hero who is regularly shown doing stuff with his company/money. There are Stark Phones, computers and he also does charity work where he provides free cybernetic prosthesis to people who have lost limbs.
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Jul 16, 2014 03:28
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CapnAndy posted:I've always wondered why Reed Richards isn't doing that. Just set up a room and have Cyclops come in and spend some goggles-off time, and when Scott has something else to do Storm can come in and zap the apparatus with lightning, or the Thing can pound on the walls for a while to work off stress, and so on, and so forth. I think this was the plot of one of those Exiles-type alternate worlds. On that world, they convinced Cyclops or someone like him to voluntarily sacrifice the rest of his life to become a clean energy source. What's one life for the all the lives that will be saved and all the pollution that won't happen and all that? And then when he wears out, they ask the same thing of the next hero with a similar power and so on and so forth until they start getting greedy and run out of powered-people and then start pulling duplicate Cyclops out of other dimensions and pretty soon you've got a dystopia.
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Jul 16, 2014 03:41
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Majuju posted:I had this issue when I was small and read it so many times that the staples fell out. That strangely looks like one of those energy field belts they used in the David Lynch Dune movie. The one Duncan Idaho was using before he died.
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Jul 16, 2014 04:00
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Why not just get Ant-Man to take a shrunken down ruby quartz spaceship into one of Cyclops' eyeballs to figure out how to exploit the energy of the concussive laser dimension? loving DUH!
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Jul 16, 2014 04:03
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Because the capitalist system relies on scarcity and the elimination of that would cause every rich dude and government on the planet to lose their poo poo. Heroes would have to become dictators to affect any meaningful change and when a guy with superpowers tries to depose the government they get called a villain.
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Jul 16, 2014 04:10
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Bobulus posted:I think this was the plot of one of those Exiles-type alternate worlds. On that world, they convinced Cyclops or someone like him to voluntarily sacrifice the rest of his life to become a clean energy source. What's one life for the all the lives that will be saved and all the pollution that won't happen and all that? And then when he wears out, they ask the same thing of the next hero with a similar power and so on and so forth until they start getting greedy and run out of powered-people and then start pulling duplicate Cyclops out of other dimensions and pretty soon you've got a dystopia. That said, putting in a shift at the power plant doesn't seem like a bad use of various people's times, though they might ask "Why am I only getting 60k a year when I am generating $10m worth of power every hour?"
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Jul 16, 2014 04:14
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Nessus posted:That said, putting in a shift at the power plant doesn't seem like a bad use of various people's times, though they might ask "Why am I only getting 60k a year when I am generating $10m worth of power every hour?" That leads to the inevitable union "worker vs. boss" storyline that ends with at least one hero all bundled up in a torture machine to siphon their power.
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Jul 16, 2014 04:17
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Ghostlight posted:the patents sit there gathering dust because nobody else can figure out how to implement them. I do like to imagine that Reed has frequently gone to the world's top scientists and given them some gizmo to repair the ozone layer and clean the air or something, and none of them can make sense of what it is or how to work it, and his exasperated explanations just leave them even more confused. "God just... just adjust the measurements taking hypertime drift into account, and keep a running real-time tally of alternate reality counter-calculations that might upset the quantum stability!" Every conversation ends with,"My 4 year old daughter could do it!"
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Jul 16, 2014 04:25
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FMguru posted:Given Newtonian laws regarding action/reaction, Scott must have the strongest neck muscles in the entire Marvel Universe. Nope. He just opens a channel between the target and the source, he isn't the source himself. In keeping with Newton's 3rd Law the force is felt by the emitter in the other dimension and the target, not by him Think of it like you have a length of pipe with a pump on one end, a water wheel on the other, and a valve in the middle. Scott's eyes are the valve. The pipe doesn't experience the impulse (in an ideal system) because the barycenter for the impulse is in the pump. I may be loving up explaining this, but the point is the channel doesn't receive the force unless it interacts with the system (by, say, changing the vector of the force particles) because it isn't one of the interacting bodies, so Scott doesn't have perpetual whiplash.
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Jul 16, 2014 04:29
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Nessus posted:This reminds me, unpleasantly, of that comic where the regenerator girl (of course it was a girl) opted to spend the rest of her life being chopped up as an organ farm in order to rationally maximize good done. Not a twice-weekly session either, full time abattoir
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Jul 16, 2014 04:34
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Wanderer posted:Waid also had a side comment by Reed in his run that made a lot of things make sense for me: he collects a few fat checks from several large companies not to market his products, because they'd revolutionize the field and put those companies out of business overnight. Nessus posted:This reminds me, unpleasantly, of that comic where the regenerator girl (of course it was a girl) opted to spend the rest of her life being chopped up as an organ farm in order to rationally maximize good done. Not a twice-weekly session either, full time abattoir. Strong Female Protagonist, it has its own thread, and it owns.
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Jul 16, 2014 04:37
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Fried Chicken posted:I don't remember that It was like one off-hand line about the PDA he was using. Sue or someone asks him why he doesn't market the PDA and he says "Sony paid me $300 million dollars not to release it to the public."
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Fried Chicken posted:Ben had a fuckload of money he didn't know about because the company had kept depositing checks in an account that Reed "forgot" to tell him about I know it's not the same story but this is how I want Ben to look at all times 
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