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hp used to sell thin clients running xp embedded. we bought a bunch. they were really bad. like they weren't even real cpus, they're like VIA or transmeta or something equally comedic.
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yeah, they were thin clients. i think someone used to make them running MIPS and win2k with like 32MB ram too, way back when.
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I went over to hp to see what their current thin client pricing is. for $309 you can get a thin client with 2gb of ram, a comedy option via processor, and no os. for $439 you get the same thing, but with windows embedded. for $419 you can get a desktop with 2gb of ram, a real cpu, and windows 8 pro w/ downgrade rights to 7 (and a hdd, but who cares) who buys thin clients? who is falling for that scam?
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Jul 17, 2014 15:11
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Shaggar posted:I went over to hp to see what their current thin client pricing is. people who run afoul of salesmen trying to push massive rackfulls of servers and "enterprise grade" graphics cards
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Jul 17, 2014 15:13
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Scott Forstall posted:in an alternate universe, Nokia said "gently caress it, we're going Android" with the Lumia as the hardware and are currently one of the top Android OEMs. lollllllll yeah sure a hardware manufacturer should have jumped at the chance to enter a stupidly overcrowded market that's in a race to the bottom for the absolute worst customers on the planet
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Mr Dog posted:lollllllll yeah sure a hardware manufacturer should have jumped at the chance to enter a stupidly overcrowded market that's in a race to the bottom for the absolute worst customers on the planet Nokia owned the low end forever, they could have skinned android to look more like Symbian on those old phones and have the google app market. same with the higher end as well. it seems like they had the Nokia X ready awhile ago but then Steve Ballmer happened and they were immediately living on borrowed time. Microsoft and their priorities steamrolled Nokia. going android was no guarantee, but going Microsoft was signing their own death warrant.
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infernal machines posted:yeah, the problem with recommending a stack like that is even with proper documentation forget about ever being able to get someone else to admin your special snowflake implementation. it's a perfect model for a million cornercases based on what build of everything you managed to deploy initially. and who handles support? that's like four different "vendors" at least. Not really. If you're running Red Hat Identity Management, you've only got one vendor (Red Hat) and any certified RHCE should know what he's doing. that said certified linux admins are well-paid and windows janitors are cheap, so...
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Jul 17, 2014 16:40
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Hello there, Microsoft’s strategy is focused on productivity and our desire to help people “do more.” As the Microsoft Devices Group, our role is to light up this strategy for people. We are the team creating the hardware that showcases the finest of Microsoft’s digital work and digital life experiences, and we will be the confluence of the best of Microsoft’s applications, operating systems and cloud services. To align with Microsoft’s strategy, we plan to focus our efforts. Given the wide range of device experiences, we must concentrate on the areas where we can add the most value. The roots of this company and our future are in productivity and helping people get things done. Our fundamental focus – for phones, Surface, for meetings with devices like PPI, Xbox hardware and new areas of innovation -- is to build on that strength. While our direction in the majority of our teams is largely unchanging, we have had an opportunity to plan carefully about the alignment of phones within Microsoft as the transferring Nokia team continues with its integration process. It is particularly important to recognize that the role of phones within Microsoft is different than it was within Nokia. Whereas the hardware business of phones within Nokia was an end unto itself, within Microsoft all our devices are intended to embody the finest of Microsoft’s digital work and digital life experiences, while accruing value to Microsoft’s overall strategy. Our device strategy must reflect Microsoft’s strategy and must be accomplished within an appropriate financial envelope. Therefore, we plan to make some changes. We will be particularly focused on making the market for Windows Phone. In the near term, we plan to drive Windows Phone volume by targeting the more affordable smartphone segments, which are the fastest growing segments of the market, with Lumia. In addition to the portfolio already planned, we plan to deliver additional lower-cost Lumia devices by shifting select future Nokia X designs and products to Windows Phone devices. We expect to make this shift immediately while continuing to sell and support existing Nokia X products. To win in the higher price segments, we will focus on delivering great breakthrough products in alignment with major milestones ahead from both the Windows team and the Applications and Services Group. We will ensure that the very best experiences and scenarios from across the company will be showcased on our products. We plan to take advantage of innovation from the Windows team, like Universal Windows Apps, to continue to enrich the Windows application ecosystem. And in the very lowest price ranges, we plan to run our first phones business for maximum efficiency with a smaller team. We expect these changes to have an impact to our team structure. With our focus, we plan to consolidate the former Smart Devices and Mobile Phones business units into one phone business unit that is responsible for all of our phone efforts. Under the plan, the phone business unit will be led by Jo Harlow with key members from both the Smart Devices and Mobile Phones teams in the management team. This team will be responsible for the success of our Lumia products, the transition of select future Nokia X products to Lumia and for the ongoing operation of the first phone business. As part of the effort, we plan to select the appropriate business model approach for our sales markets while continuing to offer our products in all markets with a strong focus on maintaining business continuity. We will determine each market approach based on local market dynamics, our ability to profitably deliver local variants, current Lumia momentum and the strategic importance of the market to Microsoft. This will all be balanced with our overall capability to invest. Our phone engineering efforts are expected to be concentrated in Salo, Finland (for future, high-end Lumia products) and Tampere, Finland (for more affordable devices). We plan to develop the supporting technologies in both locations. We plan to ramp down engineering work in Oulu. While we plan to reduce the engineering in Beijing and San Diego, both sites will continue to have supporting roles, including affordable devices in Beijing and supporting specific US requirements in San Diego. Espoo and Lund are planned to continue to be focused on application software development. We plan to right-size our manufacturing operations to align to the new strategy and take advantage of integration opportunities. We expect to focus phone production mainly in Hanoi, with some production to continue in Beijing and Dongguan. We plan to shift other Microsoft manufacturing and repair operations to Manaus and Reynosa respectively, and start a phased exit from Komaron, Hungary. In short, we will focus on driving Lumia volume in the areas where we are already successful today in order to make the market for Windows Phone. With more speed, we will build on our success in the affordable smartphone space with new products offering more differentiation. We’ll focus on acquiring new customers in the markets where Microsoft’s services and products are most concentrated. And, we’ll continue building momentum around applications. We plan that this would result in an estimated reduction of 12,500 factory direct and professional employees over the next year. These decisions are difficult for the team, and we plan to support departing team members with severance benefits. More broadly across the Devices team, we will continue our efforts to bring iconic tablets to market in ways that complement our OEM partners, power the next generation of meetings & collaboration devices and thoughtfully expand Windows with new interaction models. With a set of changes already implemented earlier this year in these teams, this means there will be limited change for the Surface, Xbox hardware, PPI/meetings or next generation teams. We recognize these planned changes are broad and have very difficult implications for many of our team members. We will work to provide as much clarity and information as possible. Today and over the coming weeks leaders across the organization will hold town halls, host information sharing sessions and provide more details on the intranet. The team transferring from Nokia and the teams that have been part of Microsoft have each experienced a number of remarkable changes these last few years. We operate in a competitive industry that moves rapidly, and change is necessary. As difficult as some of our changes are today, this direction deliberately aligns our work with the cross company efforts that Satya has described in his recent emails. Collectively, the clarity, focus and alignment across the company, and the opportunity to deliver the results of that work into the hands of people, will allow us to increase our success in the future. Regards, Stephen
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Hello there, [11 PARAGRAPHS OF CORPORATE GOBBLEDYGOOK] You're fired. [3 MORE PARAGRAPHS] Regards, Stephen Elop
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the only thing in there that vaguely resembles empathy for the people he's firing is "We recognize these planned changes are broad and have very difficult implications for many of our team members."
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Jul 17, 2014 16:50
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http://www.zdnet.com/beyond-12500-former-nokia-employees-who-else-is-microsoft-laying-off-7000031726/quote:Under the new structure, a number of Windows engineers, primarily dedicated testers, will no longer be needed. (I don't know exactly how many testers will be layed off, but hearing it could be a "good chunk," from sources close to the company.) Instead, program managers and development engineers will be taking on new responsibilities, such as testing hypotheses. The goal is to make the OS team work more like lean startups than a more regimented and plodding one adhering two- to three-year planning, development, testing cycles.
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Jul 17, 2014 16:54
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The Management posted:they're going to gut Nokia so the tears will be mostly in Finland. they will reorg the North America operations but I don't see a bloodbath except in some obscure divisions. the marketing guys are going to be hosed
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Jul 17, 2014 16:55
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Pinterest Mom posted:Hello there,
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Pinterest Mom posted:Hello there, I half-expected there to be a hidden message in one of the paragraphs, like this: quote:To win in the higher price segments, we will focus on delivering great breakthrough products in alignment with major milestones ahead from both the Windows team and the Applications and Services Group. We will ensure that the very best experiences and scenarios from across the company will be showcased on our products. We plan to take advantage of innovation from the Windows team, like Universal Windows Apps, to continue to enrich the Windows application ecosystem. If you are reading this, send an email to your HR representative saying "please don't fire me," the last 12,500 people to do so will be fired. And in the very lowest price ranges, we plan to run our first phones business for maximum efficiency with a smaller team.
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qirex posted:http://www.zdnet.com/beyond-12500-former-nokia-employees-who-else-is-microsoft-laying-off-7000031726/ no joke, i recently had a contract with microsoft terminated. the contract was for asset testing and quality control, and goddrat did they need it. that contract was killed about a week or two ago by the new PM in order to save on operational expenses.
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most places I've worked have one product manager per application or initiative and a bunch of biz people supporting them, windows apparently has individual feature-specific product managers who roll up under program managers that are grouped kind of however they happen to beduTrieux. posted:no joke, i recently had a contract with microsoft terminated. the contract was for asset testing and quality control, and goddrat did they need it. that contract was killed about a week or two ago by the new PM in order to save on operational expenses.
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Jul 17, 2014 17:05
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"right-size" gently caress off
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Microsoft to Curtail Original Series Programming for Xbox http://variety.com/2014/digital/news/microsoft-reconsiders-original-programming-strategy-for-xbox-1201263982/
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lol that guy gruber linked who said that satellas ridic mba speak meant he was hiding that bad poo poo was coming was right on the money
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Jul 17, 2014 17:56
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cremnob posted:Microsoft to Curtail Original Series Programming for Xbox oh man it would be sweet, sweet irony if they canned that documentary about finding the buried ET cartridges. you might say they 'buried' that documentary, lol
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Jul 17, 2014 17:57
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Scott Forstall posted:in an alternate universe, Nokia said "gently caress it, we're going Android" with the Lumia as the hardware and are currently one of the top Android OEMs. in that universe, enough people are willing to pay more for premium anroid to keep a company the size of nokia in the black
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Jul 17, 2014 17:59
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someone post the quote about how selling android is pissing in your pants to stay warm
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Jul 17, 2014 18:02
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mod sassinator posted:oh man it would be sweet, sweet irony if they canned that documentary about finding the buried ET cartridges. you might say they 'buried' that documentary, lol didnt they already make that? they dug up the ground and found some poo poo. why would I watch a documentary to see what i already saw 2 months ago on youtube?
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Jul 17, 2014 18:04
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dont answer that its just my daily musings.
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Jul 17, 2014 18:06
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qirex posted:this reminds me that contractor reductions don't need to be reported like FTE layoffs do the key euphemism is "Microsoft contingent staff"
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Jul 17, 2014 18:08
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Scott Forstall posted:in an alternate universe, Nokia said "gently caress it, we're going Android" with the Lumia as the hardware and are currently one of the top Android OEMs. well they kind of sealed their own dumb fate when they appointed a literal ms executive to be their ceo
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we had this contractor who used to work for adobe and almost every time I talked to him there was some sort of "hey flex/air does this it's really cool and would save us tons of time and money" "does it work with screen readers yet?" "well, some of them" is it really that hard for people to switch their thinking?
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Jul 17, 2014 18:22
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Malcolm XML posted:then take them + the xbox guys + the surface people
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Pinterest Mom posted:Hello there, can you imagine having to read sth like this to find out if youre being fired
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I hope you have had a chance to read today’s mails from Satya. I wanted to take a moment to share a few thoughts on what this means for our team and some of the changes we are making as a result. In last week’s mail outlining some of the steps towards creating the culture and organization to bring our ambitions to life, Satya called out the strategic importance of Xbox as a strong consumer brand, a creative center for gaming and a leader in bold innovation. Every member of Team Xbox should be incredibly proud of the impact and reach your work has within the walls of Microsoft, with our developer community and most importantly, with consumers. Microsoft is the productivity and platform company for a mobile-first and cloud-first world, and games are the single biggest digital life category in a mobile-first world. Success in this category, by growing a robust Xbox business, brings additional value to Microsoft. I have stated this before, but for Xbox to be successful, we must remain committed to being a consumer-driven organization with the mission of meeting the high expectations of a passionate fan base, to create the best games and to drive technical innovation. As part of the planned reduction to our overall workforce announced today and in light of our organization’s mission, we plan to streamline a handful of portfolio and engineering development efforts across Xbox. One such plan is that, in the coming months, we expect to close Xbox Entertainment Studios. I would like to take this opportunity to recognize the accomplishments from the entire team in XES. They have built an impressive slate of original programming and pioneered interactive entertainment on Xbox, such as the innovative reality series ‘Every Street United’ that succeeded in uniting audiences around the globe during the recent World Cup. I am pleased that Nancy, Jordan and members of the XES team remain committed to new, original programming already in production like the upcoming documentary series ‘Signal to Noise’ whose first installment takes on the rise and fall of gaming icon Atari and of course, the upcoming game franchise series ‘Halo: Nightfall,’ and the ‘Halo’ Television series which will continue as planned with 343 Industries. Xbox will continue to support and deliver interactive sports content like ‘NFL on Xbox,’ and we will continue to enhance our entertainment offering on console by innovating the TV experience through the monthly console updates. Additionally, our app partnerships with world-class content providers bringing entertainment, sports and TV content to Xbox customers around the world are not impacted by this organizational change in any way and remain an important component of our Xbox strategy. Change is never easy, but I believe the changes announced today help us better align with our long-term goals. We have an incredible opportunity ahead of us to define what the next generation of gaming looks like for the growing Xbox community. I have a great deal of confidence in this team and know that with clarity of focus on our mission and our customers we can accomplish great things together. We already have. Thank you again for all you do for Xbox. Phil
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Jul 17, 2014 20:06
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someone pick out the good bits from the ms emails
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quote:Regards, quote:Phil
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lmao remember that thing we said we were going to do at 2013 E3 that everyone said was dumb? u were wrong but now we have realized all on our own that it was dumb so its closed.
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thx op
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PokeJoe posted:i have some friends at ms who are not having a good day at work today yes but shares are up 2.9% on this good news! gently caress this country, gently caress wall street, i hope they all eat a bag of dicks oh ho! a bunch of people lost their jobs? caviar all around my good man!
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PokeJoe posted:i have some friends at ms who are not having a good day at work today Is their resume up to date or do they think they're unique snowflakes that can't be replaced?
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