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Joementum posted:Her latest essays read like a millennial version of Robert Anton Wilson. Develop this thing into an outline and she'd have a decent work of satirical fiction started. I like Robert Anton Wilson.  
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Aurubin posted:Well Kaczynski was a brilliant mathematician. I thought his manifesto, neo-Luddite as it was, had some valid points about the pains that would be felt by the computerization of mundane tasks. That said, he thought sending loving letter bombs was the best way to advocate his position. Kurt Godel starved to death because his wife wasn't around to test his food to make sure it wasn't poisoned. Leaps of logic are still logical to those making them, even if they're crazy to everyone else. Yeah, but it kind of reminds me of "Catcher in the Rye" - yes, Salinger's central observation was valid: teenagers are just the loving worst. But that's not a particularly deep observation, and there's little else be gleaned beyond that. (I meant that tongue-in-cheek, but I'm 100% serious when I say gently caress that God-awful book)
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Stultus Maximus posted:I like Robert Anton Wilson. So do I!
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Majorian posted:Yeah, but it kind of reminds me of "Catcher in the Rye" - yes, Salinger's central observation was valid: teenagers are just the loving worst. But that's not a particularly deep observation, and there's little else be gleaned beyond that. (I meant that tongue-in-cheek, but I'm 100% serious when I say gently caress that God-awful book) I thought it was a decent perspective on the existential meanderings of someone looking for purpose without any deep sense of what that means, vis a vis a teenager. But that's all it was, perspective. It was, "Hey look, this guy has no loving idea what to do with his life" the book. That can resonate, but Salinger didn't have any advice how to get out of that hole but "grow up." LOOK AT ME DEFENDING THE BULLSHIT.
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Aurubin posted:I thought it was a decent perspective on the existential meanderings of someone looking for purpose without any deep sense of what that means, vis a vis a teenager. But that's all it was, perspective. It was, "Hey look, this guy has no loving idea what to do with his life" the book. That can resonate, but Salinger didn't have any advice how to get out of that hole but "grow up." Nah, you're making valid points. I just have an ax to grind over my sophomore-year English reading list.
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Majorian posted:Nah, you're making valid points. I just have an ax to grind over my sophomore-year English reading list. I read 1984 in 9th grade English and had no loving idea what it was about. Until that point everything I had read was light fiction, so symbolism was kinda lost on me. I like the book a lot now, cause I'm a crazy anti-surveillance nut. While we're on a Kaczynski kick, I think his life was rather sad, what with the bullying due to grade skipping and the dressing down as part of an MKUltra experiment. Then he was told to teach, which I can imagine is difficult for someone with severe social issues. I'd know. Explains the power trip the Silicon Valley manchildren are going through.
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I am not a book posted:The protagonist "Hiro Protagonist" who delivers pizza for the Mafia and carries a sword, teams up with a 13 year old sexually active skateboarding girl with a boobytrapped vagina to defeat a businessman who wants to take over the world with a mind virus that's been around since the Babylonians. Ok, but he also wrote Diamond Age, which IIRC*, could almost have had an opening page that read '100 years after the events of Snow Crash' and was pretty straight-faced. Ditto with System of the World and Cryptomonicon. Anyway, I get the jokes, but sometimes terrible ideas are delivered in an entertaining way to make them more palatable, so  * it's been more than 10 years since I read either of these
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Munkeymon posted:Ok, but he also wrote Diamond Age, which IIRC*, could almost have had an opening page that read '100 years after the events of Snow Crash' and was pretty straight-faced. Ditto with System of the World and Cryptomonicon. Anyway, I get the jokes, but sometimes terrible ideas are delivered in an entertaining way to make them more palatable, so Wait poo poo I thought Diamond Age was the one that took place in the 1700s. Anyway, I responded to your Cryptonomicon point in my previous post.
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I am not a book posted:Wait poo poo I thought Diamond Age was the one that took place in the 1700s. Anyway, I responded to your Cryptonomicon point in my previous post. I meant that SotW is like the mostly straight-faced follow up to Cryptonomicon, but I'mma drop this derail because this isn't the Barn.
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Jul 25, 2014 22:20
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Majorian posted:I love Kaczynski apologists. Their opinions are like textbook examples of pareidolia - there MUST be some deeper meaning to this rambling lunatic's ravings, if only everyone would stop calling them crazy and upsetting them. But my first pass explanation would that some who are very smart but lonely emotional cripples naturally overvalue intelligence and undervalue emotional/mental health/prosocial stuff. So they look at Kaczynski and see a lot of themselves, and thus a lot to like, there.
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Munkeymon posted:Ok, but he also wrote Diamond Age, which IIRC*, could almost have had an opening page that read '100 years after the events of Snow Crash' and was pretty straight-faced. Ditto with System of the World and Cryptomonicon. Anyway, I get the jokes, but sometimes terrible ideas are delivered in an entertaining way to make them more palatable, so No, there's a character in it that it's pretty heavily implied is YT, now an old woman, but nothing ever comes out and says "this is the same world, quite a while later." At least, not in my edition. I am not a book posted:Wait poo poo I thought Diamond Age was the one that took place in the 1700s. Anyway, I responded to your Cryptonomicon point in my previous post. Those are the Baroque Cycle books, by the end of which Stephanson finally learned how to write an actual conclusion.
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Adventure Pigeon posted:This is probably a dumb question, but I've been confused about this. What does soylent have that other meal substitutes like ensure don't beyond a weird association with the technofetishist crowd? The guy seriously just played mad scientist with beakers and ground up vitamin pills and called it a day. It is demonstrably inferior to products that already exist that are designed according to actual nutritional understanding. If you ever needed proof that all this talk of "disruption" is buzzword billshit for scam artists it is soylent. I mean, they named it loving soylent.
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Jul 25, 2014 22:26
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He's not a scam artist, scam artist implies that he realizes his product is bullshit.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:He's not a scam artist, scam artist implies that he realizes his product is bullshit. Well, what's silliest is that he did this like it was some kind of revolutionary thing. Like no one had ever before thought of making a single food that combines all nutritional needs.
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I think what bothers me most is less the creator as there's always some rear end in a top hat hocking something, but the buzz from techies as if this relieves them of the most tenacious of developed world issues: spending five minutes three times a day to eat food. How is this an issue for anyone? I am incredibly incredulous that anyone is 'productive' enough on a routine basis that getting food delivered to your tech slave pen so you can quickly eat your overpriced shwarma wrap is a burden. Also the affordability claim is hilarious as the only people ingesting this cap probably make more than enough than to have to worry about budgeting for food. Edit: life hack disrupt beep book teach me to learn how to live TEDTalks
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:He's not a scam artist, scam artist implies that he realizes his product is bullshit. The line separating a true believer from a scam artist is often nonexistent.
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Hedera Helix posted:The line separating a true believer from a scam artist is often nonexistent. He's a scam artist and his first victim was himself. Justine Tunney reminds me of the girlfriend I had at sixteen except that girlfriend grew up and is now a cool and nice person. People like Tunney, who lean on intelligence as the main determiner of human value, are basically saying it's all down to luck. The 'good genes' thing too: great, so you were lucky and born with these (fictional) good genes. It's not merit to be smart, it's merit to use intelligence for good things. Which Tunney fails at.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Obdicut posted:People like Tunney, who lean on intelligence as the main determiner of human value, are basically saying it's all down to luck. The 'good genes' thing too: great, so you were lucky and born with these (fictional) good genes. It's not merit to be smart, it's merit to use intelligence for good things. Which Tunney fails at. I'm pretty sure she fails at intelligence too. She seems competent enough to write coherently, but her texts are mostly devoid of any creative thought. When she's not boasting about her real and imagined achievements, she's ranting against the society for not being as great as she considers herself to be. Every bar has at least one patron singing to the same tune - a genius misunderstood and hated by the plebes. Also, keep in mind she unironically presents Americans crowning their own king, who would be subservient to the English one, as a viable and bloodless alternative to the American Revolution.
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Gantolandon posted:I'm pretty sure she fails at intelligence too. She seems competent enough to write coherently, but her texts are mostly devoid of any creative thought. When she's not boasting about her real and imagined achievements, she's ranting against the society for not being as great as she considers herself to be. Every bar has at least one patron singing to the same tune - a genius misunderstood and hated by the plebes. I wouldn't give too much analysis to Justine Tunney's political "theories" to the extent they're deviations from a form of government where she, Justine Tunney herself, rules everyone. For example, see her latest tweets 
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Emanuel Collective posted:I wouldn't give too much analysis to Justine Tunney's political "theories" to the extent they're deviations from a form of government where she, Justine Tunney herself, rules everyone. For example, see her latest tweets I need to file a restraining order against her, for her own good. If she ever steps foot within a 100 yard radius of me I'll rush over and punch her right in the face. I couldn't resist it. "The best of us..." Christ, she's the worst of us, by a long shot.
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Emanuel Collective posted:I wouldn't give too much analysis to Justine Tunney's political "theories" to the extent they're deviations from a form of government where she, Justine Tunney herself, rules everyone. For example, see her latest tweets I know like 9 programming languages. Truly I am a god among men.
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Aurubin posted:I know like 9 programming languages. Truly I am a god among men. And yet you are forced to drive your own car like a common merchant!
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I don't even understand the desire to have servants. It'd feel incredibly awkward to me for someone to clean up my messes and drive me around and be all deferential. How is it not awkward, and if you treat them badly, how do you ever feel certain that they haven't, like, pissed in your whiskey? And I think it goes without saying she'd treat them badly.
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Obdicut posted:I don't even understand the desire to have servants. It'd feel incredibly awkward to me for someone to clean up my messes and drive me around and be all deferential. How is it not awkward, and if you treat them badly, how do you ever feel certain that they haven't, like, pissed in your whiskey? And I think it goes without saying she'd treat them badly. Lack of empathy.
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Obdicut posted:I don't even understand the desire to have servants. It'd feel incredibly awkward to me for someone to clean up my messes and drive me around and be all deferential. How is it not awkward, and if you treat them badly, how do you ever feel certain that they haven't, like, pissed in your whiskey? And I think it goes without saying she'd treat them badly. I'm pretty sure it's just a fetish thing, isn't it? I mean it is with me, but I guess ymmv.
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Pope Guilty posted:And yet you are forced to drive your own car like a common merchant! Okay, I know 8 but I count MATLAB because I use it all the time.
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Obdicut posted:I don't even understand the desire to have servants. It'd feel incredibly awkward to me for someone to clean up my messes and drive me around and be all deferential. How is it not awkward, and if you treat them badly, how do you ever feel certain that they haven't, like, pissed in your whiskey? And I think it goes without saying she'd treat them badly.
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Obdicut posted:I don't even understand the desire to have servants. It'd feel incredibly awkward to me for someone to clean up my messes and drive me around and be all deferential. How is it not awkward, and if you treat them badly, how do you ever feel certain that they haven't, like, pissed in your whiskey? And I think it goes without saying she'd treat them badly. Well she's also somebody who thinks aristocrats were actually better people, as opposed to people as good as anybody else who just happened to be distant descendants of some guy who was buddies with a king or something at one time.
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Berke Negri posted:If I had the money I would definitely have a personal driver but I also suck at driving so it would probably be beneficial to creating a job for the driver as well as creating a safer society as a whole. Yeah, I can vaguely imagine having a driver or a gardener or even a cook, but not just a "Do the unskilled labor that I'm too lofty to do, peon" kind of person. My wife wants to have someone come once a month to clean our apartment and even that feels odd to me. It'd totally work though because I'd super-clean the apartment before the cleaner came over.
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Queen: Justine Tunney King: Eric Schmidt Duke / Duchess: Software Developers Earl: Systems Analysts Baron: Web Developers Knights: Anime Collectors Squires: Database Admins Lord: Anyone with a sweet video card Commoners: Sys Admins Serfs: Geek Squads Slaves: Any high-functioning person not on the internet right now Fansy fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Jul 26, 2014 |
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Everything she writes makes it look like she wants to live in Shadowrun. Goddamn.
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Karl Rove posted:I bet she'd love bringing back the French aristocracy, including the prospect of a duel
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Even if someone types really dumb things on the internet I think it's even dumber to contact their employer to try to get them fired. Please don't act like you are nobly trying to help out google to justify sating your weird grudges.
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Luisfe posted:Everything she writes makes it look like she wants to live in Shadowrun. Goddamn. There's an unnerving amount of people who want post-apocalypses/dystopian futures because they think nothing will happen to them. They're always a bunch of Hiro protagonists and Rick grimes and never the dude who got aced 12 minute into the revolution.
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Crossposting and refining this GBS post for those who don't want to deal with crude antiqueer opinions: Modern society is breaking down; with the loss of faith in conglomerate institutions, the increasingly absurd left/right dichotomy, the inadequacy of Keynesian economics, and the long gone certainty that technology is progressing us to Star Trek utopia. We are increasingly atomized and post-modern, the world is whatever the individual perceives and there is no objective reality. Eventually this will end and a new collective worldview will be established. Justine Tunney and the other Dark Enlightenment types are one of these 'new perspectives'. They are best understood as Ron Paul Libertarians who not only acknowledge, but embrace the Marxian critique about consolidated and hereditary wealth in a free market. With the rise of Alexander Dugin and ISIL we can see a coming conflict between post and antimodern visions. Hopefully the postmodern political struggle between Birchers and Yuppies in the US will be over soon. One day neoreactionaries could seize on ideological disillusionment to impose their 'traditional' social order of rigid castes, one where people who think too much get or ask too many questions get publicly executed. Of course Justine and other neoreactionaires could just be trolls, but some are most certainly sincere. The more frightening consideration is that Justine's bosses are well aware of this ideological crusade, and are attempting to direct the disaffection seen at Occupy towards this vision.
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Munkeymon posted:Ok, but he also wrote Diamond Age, which IIRC*, could almost have had an opening page that read '100 years after the events of Snow Crash' and was pretty straight-faced. Ditto with System of the World and Cryptomonicon. Anyway, I get the jokes, but sometimes terrible ideas are delivered in an entertaining way to make them more palatable, so Yeah, it's seriously like she read some Stephenson books and decided to fetishize all the parts he was depicting as negative or satirical. "Hmm, maybe we SHOULD live in racially-divided enclaves protected by violent gangs!" or, like, "Hey, wouldn't it be great if Eric Schmidt controlled the population through a mind-warping information virus?" The fact that she shits on the "dumb" and "low" workers who create and maintain the infrastructure that allows her to sit and self-aggrandize comfortably in a warm cubicle in a building that's not piled with garbage and insects and rot and feces shows such a profound obliviousness to her privilege and basically the entire functioning of technology and human civilization that it makes her boasts about her intelligence and greatness seem somehow even more laughable than they already are. Jesus.
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