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EbolaIvory posted:I get it. I really do. But considering how much data it uses find something else to do. Get a portable dvd player, save movies or something to the device before you go. Load up a few SD cards with stuff. Or don't drive a truck? Or listen to books on tape? Or whatever stupid loving thing you think they should do? Fact is the guy was just saying he wishes he had unlimited or someone works better than Verizon but still pays for the data because it lets him use the phone the way He WANTS to not that bullshit you're throwing around. What if he wants to start watching tv on Hulu plus to see new shows? Remember to make VHS recordings the times it airs and bring them along?
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He can wish for things all he wants, but it doesn't exist in the way he wants it. People are just mentioning he will save money with alternatives. He can continue spending lots of money for 30Gs a month, or he can invest in something that allows him to play music without spending his life savings on data.
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It seems harsh and I get these calls but there comes a time when you just have to say "You just aren't going to be able to do that" HOWEVER, I forgot the pricing but Verizon is going to release some GIANT tier data plans. So generally the more you get the cheaper it gets per gb. I don't remember the amount/pricing but it will at least give people the option to not have to count their GBs if they want to fork over for it.
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It sounds like they are pulling the Sprint route of slowing those high data consumers connected to saturated towers, but who actually knows. Has there been details shared directly from Verizon? It's worrying to me regardless as I have unlimited data attached to a Nexus 7, but I also don't use more than 30ish gigs per month (travel 75% for work). It's ironic that they are basing average usage around 5 gigs in these rumored reports though... When you shove a majority of your consumer base into tiered plans, why wouldn't end users do everything possible to stay within their data allotment thus lowering the average data use per customer; they have to pay a fine for overages if they go over their allotment, and people stay in bounds only because of this. Verizon is posting record profits, pulling all sorts stunts like this, and claim it's good for the consumer. I understand they are a business, but it's really sad as I've been a customer forever, promoted the heck out of them, and get this BS in return. mrchina fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jul 26, 2014 |
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EbolaIvory posted:So stop using netflix unless you're somewhere with wifi. Or throw some movies on your phone before you leave. We leave Monday and get back on saturday. I'm "on duty" from about 12 am to 12pm which means I'm either actively driving or dropping/hooking trailers. I then am "off duty" by spending some time with my wife up front before I go back to the bunk for sleep. I do actively download music books and movies for when I'm in the mountains with little to no signal or when I'm just tired of whatever I've been listening to. For pandora I have a huge list of random music, I have different talk shows I listen to on iheartradio or sirius xm (which is the Internet stream, not the radio so using bandwidth). In the past with unlimited data I would play netflix, mostly for the stand up comics. Stuff you don't actively watch, background noise for driving. Now I'm off until midnight rolls around, I can actively watch whatever I want. Except I can't because of my data cap, which in the post you quoted you would read where we stopped that this month and are still high up on our cap but not exceeding. Aside from the hour at each yard, and our required 30 minute break each shift, our truck doesn't stop moving. Those wifi options you talk about? by the time I can even see it as an option I'm out of range. I know I am not the typical user, which is why I put that line about being far from the normal user. Shadokin fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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Looking on the verizon site, it looks like the 30Gb plan costs 225 dollars per month. Is using that much data worth 2-300 dollars per month? I can't imagine spending that on phone service. Have you looked into satellite radio? 20 dollars per month for nearly any kind of music you want plus talk radio and comedy stations. That would at least cut down on Pandora.
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Shadokin posted:We leave Monday and get back on saturday. I'm "on duty" from about 12 am to 12pm which means I'm either actively driving or dropping/hooking trailers. I then am "off duty" by spending some time with my wife up front before I go back to the bunk for sleep. I do actively download music books and movies for when I'm in the mountains with little to no signal or when I'm just tired of whatever I've been listening to. For pandora I have a huge list of random music, I have different talk shows I listen to on iheartradio or sirius xm (which is the Internet stream, not the radio so using bandwidth). In the past with unlimited data I would play netflix, mostly for the stand up comics. Stuff you don't actively watch, background noise for driving. Just putting it out there. You're not going over yet, which is awesome. But you could lower it by thinking ahead maybe. I gave up my unlimited last week to move to a new phone and am on the 6 gig max. Between WiFi and not using my phone during work, I went from 10+ Gigs every month (even months with 170+), to under 1 gig a month. Hell when I was still working in corrections and totally unable to use my phone at work I was under 200MB a month simply because the music i listen to is on a pinned list thats on my device and GPS uses dick all data. Sucks man. You could always buy someones old unlimited.
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There are going to be some mega huge data plans available. I don't know how it will effect current pricing
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Cojawfee posted:Looking on the verizon site, it looks like the 30Gb plan costs 225 dollars per month. Is using that much data worth 2-300 dollars per month? I can't imagine spending that on phone service. Have you looked into satellite radio? 20 dollars per month for nearly any kind of music you want plus talk radio and comedy stations. That would at least cut down on Pandora. Obviously it's worth it to him if he is willing to pay it. Pretty dumb question. Hey guys, I drive a car that is way more expensive than I need. I do it because I loving like it. Just like when I go to a fancy dinner when I could just as soon eat ramen. You guys talk like people don't realize they're spending money and could save money by doing something they don't want to do.
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benisntfunny posted:Obviously it's worth it to him if he is willing to pay it. Pretty dumb question. You're a pretty angry guy.
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EbolaIvory posted:
I do appreciate the suggestions. We have some plans for lowering what we use, and it will go down more here soon. Just moved into our new place this last weekend and haven't gotten Internet turned on yet. Current plan is to be done with over the road in a year and then we can drastically cut data use. I'm interested in seeing what their bigger plans are. Originally we got the 30 gb plan as a buffer for seeing how much we used, thinking the 20 gb would suffice. Goal is to get under 20 gb usage and drop, then drop each time we lower from there. Last two weeks I've almost exclusively listened to wifi downloaded audio books and our month ends on the 3rd. I've used 8gb and my wife's used 15gb. I don't want these posts to come across as complaining or whining. I recognize we use data excessively and are paying an arm and a leg, this is our second month since switching to Verizon from sprint where we had unlimited and are still fine tuning.
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So through my interwebs digging, I think I've concluded (until otherwise noted) that "network optimization" = throttling. [They won't stack] Currently as it stands, for unlimited 4GLTE enabled devices, you will experience "network optimization" if you are a heavy data user + you're connected to a congested cell tower until a) you change to a less congested tower b) said tower is no longer congested . If you have a 3G device and have exceeded ?3/5gb? of data, you will be "throttled" while on a congested tower until a) you change to a less congested tower b) said tower is no longer congested. From what I've found, it seems that Verizon is simply applying the same methodology that they use for 3G devices, to 4G devices. So once your "soft cap" has been reached (4.7gb) you will be "throttled" to "optimize the network" until until a) you change to a less congested tower b) said tower is no longer congested. I personally have experienced Verizon's network optimization. It's honestly not that bad. The device will absolutely still be usable (to a point). Streaming music/email/web browsing would still be possible. Some YouTube/video streaming would be also. Although that would be contingent more so on how congested said tower is/how hard a particular steaming service-youtube link is getting it in (Viral videos). All of this would also need to take into account ones' physical geography. I can only imagine that if you're in a major metro area: LA/NY/Miami/etc, you're screwed (once the soft cap has been reached) whereas less populated areas such as The Midwest(not Chicago)/the stix/sub ~250k cities >again not congested areas such as sports stadiums over ~45k< really will still be able to get away with murder.. Tl;dr - don't live in a major populated areas, avoid sports venues like the plague, don't exceed your softcap, pray, and with a little luck: business as usual. ___ If by chance my hypothesis is correct, I will remain virtually unaffected, and will continue my out of contract adventure with Verizon wireless.
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As someone that travels a good amount (and that amount will probably steadily increase over the next few years), having unlimited is pretty important to me (so is usable service). I've jumped through hoops to upgrade, which is fine, and will probably just buy future devices off contract, but getting throttled for using a fairly low amount of data is just lovely.
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XIII posted:As someone that travels a good amount (and that amount will probably steadily increase over the next few years), having unlimited is pretty important to me (so is usable service). I'm in the same boat. It's either Verizon or ATT unfortunately. I recently gave Sprint a chance and it was great in places I'd least expect, almost unusable in some major markets, and dropped too many calls with clients on the line to consider them in the immediate future.
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I live and work in what amounts to the boonies. I seriously doubt there's a network congestion situation anywhere where I find myself. Does all this horseshit mean that I'm gonna get throttled even though I'm nowhere near a crowded tower? I don't have access to WiFi at work so I tend to use a shitload of data. I avoided re-upping a contract just to avoid worrying about this poo poo. God dammit.
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Here in St Louis, I've had zero problems pulling down 20-40Mbps even before they turned on AWS here. The unlimited tethering feature is pretty nice in this regard, I like to work out of coffee shops one or two days a week and it's 10-20x faster than the wifi at the places I frequent. I feel like congestion may not really be a thing here except for at a ballgame. However I've traveled to the SF Bay Area a bit for work and until AWS came up Verizon was worthless, most definitely due to overload. It was so bad that in some places (like Palo Alto) I couldn't even send an MMS picture message. The phone would just time out and give up before it could get the whole image out. I come back two months later and AWS must've been turned on because suddenly it's absolutely wicked fast. So I'm imagining it might still well be OK here but it might be pretty questionable when I travel. I guess I'll see what it's like for a month. If we have to keep it under 5GB or else the service becomes unusable, then I could take our lines to T-Mobile and save a bunch of money.
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So I recently left working for AT&T and it's fantastic discount and as much as I would like to stay with them as I have had them for forever it's simply too expensive. So I'm looking into alternatives. I get a pretty substantial discount with Verizon but what I'm curious about is with the More Everything plans. If I buy a phone outright (droid maxx) and put it on the plan will I be paying 40 for the line access or 15 because its non contract?
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It looks like you can't get the $25 discount on the line unless you buy the phone on the Edge payment plan and buy >= 10GB data allowance, and you can't pay more than 60% up front as a down payment. Honestly if things hit the fan wrt unlimited I'd be ok with buying a 10 or 12GB data allowance and taking the discount on line access as it'd be a little cheaper on my monthly bill, but I'm not buying new phones just to do it.
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I have noticed my battery life has gone down a bit with 4.4.4 on my MAXX, anyone else notice that?
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bull3964 posted:The wireless industry...is hampering progress and hurting the economy Data spergs such as yourself not being able to download literal terabytes of data to their smartphone so they can stream studio-master quality music is hampering progress and hurting the economy? Really?
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Geoj posted:Data spergs such as yourself not being able to download literal terabytes of data to their smartphone so they can stream studio-master quality music is hampering progress and hurting the economy? Really? The fact that data gets cheaper and cheaper and easier to roll out every year yet prices go up and caps go down is bad for the economy.
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big mean giraffe posted:The fact that data gets cheaper and cheaper and easier to roll out every year yet prices go up and caps go down is bad for the economy. I'd like to see some actual, solid research on this. Not  but my unlimited! internet spergs bloo bloo blooing about it. You're not likely to find any serious economist stating that "out of control" wireless data pricing models are a serious drag on the economy.
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Geoj posted:I'd like to see some actual, solid research on this. Not Not a horrible drain on the economy, but cell carriers are stealing money from people who already don't have much.
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big mean giraffe posted:The fact that data gets cheaper and cheaper and easier to roll out every year yet prices go up and caps go down is bad for the economy. Exactly. Mobile internet is the future, period. In developing countries, the majority of internet access is by mobile phone, many don't even own a computer. There are huge swaths of this country that are under-served by broadband with no other option than cellular. Getting all these people online at speeds that make the internet usable is huge. Leaving them offline is a massive drag on the economy. As a small example, think of how many people can't even subscribe to services like netflix because they have no viable access to broadband. Think of how much healthcare costs (and quality) are impacted by rural health clinics and hospitals by not having reasonably priced high speed internet access. Think of how education suffers when a school's only affordable option for internet is an ISDN line. The list goes on and on. The telecoms are as bad as the banks, siphoning off cash from the economy and only investing the bare minimum back in to keep the machine rolling far enough down the road to justify the next price hike. There's no competition so the market isn't even functional.
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kensei posted:I have noticed my battery life has gone down a bit with 4.4.4 on my MAXX, anyone else notice that? Mine has tanked since the update too. Pretty disappointing.
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If having unlimited data was critical, it would take just one halfway competent company to bring it back, and fix the industry. I am talking REALLY bring it back. No specific conditions, throttling, etc. If a competent company did that, with fanfare and a nice advertising budget, would they get a giant growth in their customer base? You would think that would be a given. As passionate as unlimited data users are, you would think a company would have done the math and gone "Oh holy poo poo, adding real unlimited data is going to make us king." That would give one company a solid year head start to do a lot of damage right? All these other companies have invested millions into developing, implementing, and advertising their tiered data plans, they couldn't just flip on unlimited data plans. So why hasn't a company done this? Or at least, why is it so unattractive that a company doesn't add it? Doesn't advertise it? Or doesn't implement a plan where there is a lot of fine print about throttling, etc etc? I do think its possible it will come back, but that would be after the problem of tower congestion gets solved. So not for awhile, as Verizon has invested 9 billion into their network last year. Into a network that has a limit to what it can handle per tower. A network that, quality wise, makes every other companies' look like dog poo poo. So, they would have to find a viable way to eliminate tower congestion then find a way to convert everything they have...or start investing from scratch. So the bottom line is: Yes, it sucks if you have unlimited data, live in a very populated city, want to stream movies during the most data intensive times of the day, and use your phone to power your home. The fact is, we all knew it was happening, we knew where it was going, and thats how we explained it to anyone we could annoy with how much money we save by powering our home with 4g. It was going to happen, it was impressive it lasted this long...and for some a year or two longer.
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I'd just like to point out that in the last year T-Mobile started offering true unlimited data with no throttling and has added more new subscribers than the rest of the carriers combined in that same period of time. Their network isn't as developed yet but it's definitely being worked on.
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Favorabilis Solitud posted:If having unlimited data was critical, it would take just one halfway competent company to bring it back, and fix the industry. I am talking REALLY bring it back. No specific conditions, throttling, etc. If a competent company did that, with fanfare and a nice advertising budget, would they get a giant growth in their customer base? Again you operate under the assumption we have a competitive market. We do not. AT&T and Verizon have spent the past two years ratcheting the screws to their customers, each enacting the same policies the other had enacted just months earlier. Both companies are operating under the practice of maximizing profit but without the moderation that comes with having competition. Giant growth in consumer base is not the goal, it's profit per subscriber. What makes it even worse is the fact that these two players also have a significant presence in the home broadband market. Verizon, in particular, decided that it wouldn't rebuild wired networks in certain places that were wiped out by hurricane Sandy and instead told residents that they could have services via cellular instead. So, people who had capless DSL for years are being forced on to capped LTE plans. All this sets precedent to do away with copper in other places as well. Verizon is actively trying to force as many people as possible on to their wireless options. Maybe that's something they shouldn't do if congestion is a real concern?
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Geoj posted:I'd like to see some actual, solid research on this. Not First, please understand how many billions of federal funded dollars went to ATT et. al. for infrastructure investment. Second, SaaS, PaaS, IaaS... Xaas? Industrial internet? Internet of Things? In 5 years your drat refrigerator will be using a gig of data a month. How? 1) Communicating back to GE because your compressor is showing signs of failure. GE not only wants to compare your data against others of the same model line and manufacture date, but also to schedule all the logistics around replacing that part. 2) Sending inventory/pricing requests over to your grocery store because your milk is almost expired and you need eggs, and you selected you wanted to pick these up tonight during order entry. Sucks for you this month, however, as you're charged by the Kilobyte for data sent via the refrigerator (over federally subsidized infrastructure) to the grocery store. Why? At the end of last month the only store you selected in your refrigerator settings refused to pay the third consecutive monthly rate increase for ISP Fast Lane access. Because you selected the order pickup for today, it routes the request via the Fast Lane as it can take up to 5 business days for "regular" data to be transmitted otherwise... leading to a Fast Lane Access Fee of $20 on top of your monthly bill. Do you hate my story yet? It gets even better! Verizon et. al. doesn't want to build out their landline infrastructure anymore... so they decide to keep all allotted federal money for landline infrastructure AND create new rules around wireless because it's different... Your car, phone, the wind turbine, and even your refrigerator will be connected wirelessly. mrchina fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jul 28, 2014 |
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kensei posted:I have noticed my battery life has gone down a bit with 4.4.4 on my MAXX, anyone else notice that? Mine's actually gone up. Before 'Android OS' would always be the top battery user, even if my screen was on for hours. With 4.4.4 'Android OS' is usually number 3 or 4 and I'm getting better battery life.
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Please explain to me why I should be subject to caps if I use my entire data allotment from 2AM to 4AM and no data during the rest of the day. It's not going to be because of "congestion". Kreeblah fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jul 28, 2014 |
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mrchina posted:In 5 years your drat refrigerator will be using a gig of data a month. Yes, this is a completely realistic scenario. Smart appliances sucking up all the data and stealing all the jobs! Right up there with "healthcare is expensive & substandard because the evil telecoms won't give hospitals unlimited mobile data." Geoj fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jul 28, 2014 |
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Geoj posted:Yes, this is a completely realistic scenario. Smart appliances sucking up all the data and stealing all the jobs! Right up there with "healthcare is expensive & substandard because the evil telecoms won't give hospitals unlimited mobile data." Stop employing hyperbole and emotion to try to convey your argument. There are facts to back this stuff up. UNESCO/ITU Broadband Commission has estimated that a 10% increase in broadband penetration spurs GDP growth by as much as 1.3%. There's also been data to show that availability of high speed internet can affect the value of a home by up to 20%. The big issue is, we gave these telcos billions of tax payer dollars to ensure they built out broadband to everyone in the country and instead they used that money to bolster their wireless networks (under the promise that this was the most cost efficient means to service those people.) That, by itself, wouldn't be so bad. However, they then proceeded to ratchet up the cost of of service while then raking in record profits, making the service useless to those it was supposed to help. You can believe what you want about the relation of broadband access to economic growth despite the data to the contrary. However, your dismissal out of hand of the need for affordable wireless broadband as an edge case couldn't be anymore woefully ignorant of the high speed internet situation in this country. At the very least, we should be holding these companies accountable for not delivering on what the tax payers paid them to do.
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Geoj posted:Yes, this is a completely realistic scenario. Smart appliances sucking up all the data and stealing all the jobs! Right up there with "healthcare is expensive & substandard because the evil telecoms won't give hospitals unlimited mobile data." This wasn't an argument over healthcare nor jobs; While 1 gig of usage could be considered extreme, that number is arbitrary. The overall theme, however, is pretty spot on.
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mrchina posted:This wasn't an argument over healthcare nor jobs; While 1 gig of usage could be considered extreme, that number is arbitrary. The overall theme, however, is pretty spot on. You quoted me saying that I'm highly skeptical of lack of truly unlimited mobile data being a major drag on the economy. Also you're rambling more about net neutrality than unlimited mobile data, which while is a good discussion to have is largely off topic here. In any case, assuming you own a refrigerator with those features and your at-home ISP is metered (pretty much every attempt at metering terrestrial-based service has been DOA), who is forcing you to hook up your refrigerator to the internet and using those services? Or are you envisioning some dystopian future where appliances won't work without an active internet connection and/or you cannot purchase groceries unless your refrigerator generates an order ahead of time...?
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Geoj posted:You quoted me saying that I'm highly skeptical of lack of truly unlimited mobile data being a major drag on the economy. Also you're rambling more about net neutrality than unlimited mobile data, which while is a good discussion to have is largely off topic here. You really think once smart appliances become common place there won't exist versions that require Internet service?
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Kreeblah posted:Please explain to me why I should be subject to caps if I use my entire data allotment from 2AM to 4AM and no data during the rest of the day. It's not going to be because of "congestion". There won't be any cap. The network will see if the cell site's resources are all used up, then it delegates you a number. If you use unlimited data and are over 4.7 gbs. Then for the hour, or the minute, or the few seconds that site is determined to be high usage, you will receive the resources allocated to your number. The numbers are tiers though. So there will be a lot of 1s, 2s, and 3s. It won't be throttled like T-Mobile after you use so much on your "unlimited" data plan. It will be what is available. So you could be optimized but still able to stream video just not hd. Again, I don't want to lose my unlimited either. But luckily I don't live in the middle of a giant city. Edit: Congestion isn't a real concern. Its just the people with unlimited data that are powering...EVERYTHING with their phones in large cities during peak hours. It actually fucks it for everyone else that pays more for less data. So they are in a sense trying to keep the 5% of users from using 70+% of the bandwidth. It sucks if you have unlimited data. We already established that. ATT and T-Mobile actually throttle. Verizon just pushes you to the back of the line of heavy days So the regular T-Mobile unlimited data plan will get you throttle to gently caress. If you are on their 80 dollar plan you MIGHT get throttled depending on congestion and your usage habits. This is worse than Verizon's unlimited data users. You might be given a low number on your data usage which means you will be given less resources. The amount of resources is proportional and there is no cap or set maximum. Favorabilis Solitud fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jul 28, 2014 |
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I honestly don't get how ANYONE can defend a $10-15 charge for 1gig of data after your 'limit'. Absurd. Traffic shaping on a shared resource is a good thing. Is the 'throttle' permanent? No. When you're connected to a cell sector that happens to be saturated, why should there be entitlement to full speed if you happen to be a heavy user? Download your porn during off-peak hours. If companies are going to have data caps, this poo poo should be during 'peak' hours when congestion is prominent. Not for the entire month even during off-peak hours when there's virtually zero load on whatever sector you may be connected to. Reach your cap during peak hours on a loaded sector? Enjoy your 256Kbps. After 11PM or whatever, download to your hearts content until 5AM or whatever time frame. Charging gig overage is 100% designed to skim as much money from the consumer as possible. You're delusional if you think otherwise. Prescription Combs fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jul 28, 2014 |
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mrchina posted:Do you hate my story yet? It gets even better! Verizon et. al. doesn't want to build out their landline infrastructure anymore... so they decide to keep all allotted federal money for landline infrastructure AND create new rules around wireless because it's different... Your car, phone, the wind turbine, and even your refrigerator will be connected wirelessly. Was it Verizon who decided after that hurricane in the northeast that they wouldn't be fixing the landlines one an island? They instead told everyone to get wireless instead. Probably with a data cap of course.
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Cojawfee posted:Was it Verizon who decided after that hurricane in the northeast that they wouldn't be fixing the landlines one an island? They instead told everyone to get wireless instead. Probably with a data cap of course. Yup, I mentioned that above. You can expect to see it happen more places too where Verizon will elect for you that your POTS or DSL isn't worth repairing (and it isn't worthwhile to roll fiber) and instead say you can get cellular access instead.
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