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eonwe: Aug 11, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

I'm pretty angry about in game video game battle e-bushido as well.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 05:54

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 11:39

Westy543: Apr 18, 2013; GINYU FORCE RULES

Still holds true

Westy543 posted:

I will have you all know GOKU is the canon outfit and can do no wrong.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 05:59

folgore: Jun 30, 2006; nice tut

It's not at all the customer's responsibility to entice newbies and keep them playing. Yes I am basically saying don't hate the player, hate the game.

The trash talk is tiring at this point but it's something everyone has gotta deal with. It's in every game, unless you want the WoW solution where opposing factions are completely barred from communicating with one another.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 05:59

Westy543: Apr 18, 2013; GINYU FORCE RULES

Trash talk is another category where Emerald is far above all the other servers as well.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 06:06

Arghy: Nov 15, 2012

Newbies should get a shitton of free poo poo so they can compete with BR100 players, rank 2 in everything and all the default guns specced out is not to much to ask. Vehicles should have atleast rank 1 in everything including weapons. Let them see what its like to play with all the different belt options, give them some C4/medkits.

Fire whoever thinks being new should be a loving horrible experience.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 06:10

Gonkish: May 19, 2004

But Smedley would never fire Smedley...

# ? Jul 27, 2014 06:14

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

1/2x reflex sights for the default guns cost 10-15 certs which is basically 3 minutes of sticking your medic/repair gun at things that have bars on top of them and for the most part that's all your main weapons need to be usable.

Tank mines and C4 are indeed bullshit expensive for the first rank though.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 06:17

Sedisp: Jun 20, 2012

o muerte posted:

I don't even mind the tryharding, just don't be obnoxious shitheads to new players about it. We need new people to keep coming to pside to offset the inevitable burnout, otherwise the game dies.

Epic High Five posted:

I'm not really sure that's anything to be proud of or revel in. Congrats on making sure 150+ potential new players had a really lovely time and making personal attacks on someone they all enjoy the company of I guess

Personally, I think it was seriously lovely of everybody involved

Arghy posted:

Did you watch the stream? you'd be lucky to have 10 of those players stay. This was a poorly planned shitshow from the start and we just stood in front of the camera giggling.

Youtube events are not going to loving save the game, a comprehensive redesign of how newbies are introduced into the game is what will save the game.

poo poo, you guys got told by Arghy.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 06:25

Klowns: May 13, 2009; Laugh At Me Will They?

New player tutorial just needs to be "Press Enter on number pad to mute whomever is currently talking" and how to ignore people from the chat box. Took me a few weeks to learn about the quick-mute and it has made the game 99% more fun not having people with lovely audio setup attempting to play bad music over proximity chat.

you know the only people that get shot in the back of the head by smg Infiltrators are people that have music playing and can't hear them coming from half a grid away.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 06:26

Delacroix: Dec 7, 2010

folgore posted:

It's not at all the customer's responsibility to entice newbies and keep them playing. Yes I am basically saying don't hate the player, hate the game.

The trash talk is tiring at this point but it's something everyone has gotta deal with. It's in every game, unless you want the WoW solution where opposing factions are completely barred from communicating with one another.

Guild wars 2 has a similar system where the only way to communicate to enemies in 100v100v100 was by emotes or inviting them into your party. The designated subforum to talk about fights was closed just over one and a half years. They quite literally told the community to go create their own forum for hackusations and smack talk because the (very active) moderators were sick of banning people. :laugh:

Unlike RPGs where new players have a lot to learn, FPSs have an estalished tradition of guttermouth poo poo talking because they're easy to pick up. It's probably in SOE's favor to keep people fighting each other than exclusively complaining about :soe:

to fix the game or make things suck less for new players.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 06:44

Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

Sedisp posted:

poo poo, you guys got told by Arghy.

Yep, more pop does nothing for the game. Just look at how much harder it is and sparser good fights are ever since the merger. Who plays this game for big fights?

If SOE had just had the sense to listen to even a single thing Arghy has suggested instead of - and who knows why - assuming he is an insane person with absurdly clear biases and thusly ignoring him, the game would be in a MUCH better place now.

Really by making GBS threads all over new players and acting like entitled neckbeards and making it look like PS2 has the sort of "gently caress new players!" setup as EvE GOKU and everybody else were helping PS2 because by only like 1/15 of those players would've stuck around. You see this belief is supported by

# ? Jul 27, 2014 06:57

Arghy: Nov 15, 2012

The best poo poo is that dude was totally loving paid to do this and he still hosed it up hard. He knew absolutely nothing about the loving game AT ALL, surprise everyone hes playing with has a horrible experience when they have some idiot shouting at the PL. He picks a loving saturday when the servers are already at load to invite 100+ extra players and then invites 300+ other idiots to join him.

This went bad because everyone involved in planning it is mentally retarded. Do you think 2 platoons of total newbies will ever fare better against hardened loving players? Every time he tries this its going to fall on its face constantly because hes going to have 96 newbies against atleast 30 skilled players who will kill 3x their number at the very least.

This event should have literally been him leading those 3 platoons to VR and giving them lessons on how the game works, what a point is and how the cert system works. Make some introduction videos or show wrels ones then create the AJA outfit and just start off small. No big event just have them all play the game for a week and learn the ropes THEN have a big event.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 06:59

Sedisp: Jun 20, 2012

Epic High Five posted:

Yep, more pop does nothing for the game. Just look at how much harder it is and sparser good fights are ever since the merger. Who plays this game for big fights?

Really by making GBS threads all over new players and acting like entitled neckbeards and making it look like PS2 has the sort of "gently caress new players!" setup as EvE GOKU and everybody else were helping PS2 because by only like 1/15 of those players would've stuck around. You see this belief is supported by

quote:

Youtube events are not going to loving save the game, a comprehensive redesign of how newbies are introduced into the game is what will save the game.

Read above quote instead of rambling on about things no one was talking about.

Epic High Five posted:

If SOE had just had the sense to listen to even a single thing Arghy has suggested instead of - and who knows why - assuming he is an insane person with absurdly clear biases and thusly ignoring him, the game would be in a MUCH better place now.

My favorite part about this are the only people that are upset by this are people who weren't in the AJA platoons! Cause they all had fun apparently. So you're welcome for retaining new players you should try to help new players have fun sometime. :smuggo:

Sedisp fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Jul 27, 2014

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:03

Away all Goats: Jul 5, 2005; Goose's rebellion

Did they really think the veterans of this game wouldn't farm a bunch of easy kills made with lots of advertising?

Their mistake was picking Emerald TR, which has gotten a lot better since the merger, but are still well below VS and NC in terms of organization and especially leadership. Moreso at the time they chose to play at.

Away all Goats fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jul 27, 2014

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:04

AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

I like that the only people upset about the event today are NC players :allears:

You should probably watch the stream and go to the part where he goes from channel to channel talking to the players. 9 out of 11 squads were having a good time and enjoying themselves.

AggressivelyStupid fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jul 27, 2014

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:09

Dallan Invictus: Oct 11, 2007; The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

Away all Goats posted:

Their mistake was picking Emerald TR, which has gotten a lot better since the merger, but are still well below VS and NC in terms of organization and especially leadership. Moreso at the time they chose to play at.

It wouldn't have mattered if they'd picked a faction with better leadership than Emerald TR because they weren't really co-ordinating even with the leadership structure Emerald TR has, or with any internal leadership their force had, with any instructions more clear than "go here, shoot mans". You can make events like this work but they have to be run or assisted by someone who can actually use the numbers they draw, otherwise they inevitably turn into a) boring ghostcaps or b) running facefirst into a buzzsaw.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:09

KakerMix: Apr 8, 2004; 8.2 M.P.G.

That there are people seriously going 'Guys be nice', defending a YouTube celeb (and Angry Joe of all the loving ones to defend) and trying to shame goons of all people, in a shootmans game is loving hilarious.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:10

Nakar: Sep 2, 2002; Ultima Ratio Regum

This is a PvP game, the only things you can do as a new player are ghostcap - which will not make you stick around - or get in fights with people who are probably going to beat you. Anyone coming into the game has to expect to some extent that they're going to have it rough at the outset. It's true of practically every online FPS that exists solely because of the importance of map knowledge and understanding battle flow, and there aren't many games with a more complex iteration of that than this one. I'm not sure there's anything SOE or any other company that makes an online shooter can do about that. Map sense isn't a skill you can teach, it's something you have to learn by playing.

If you want to call anyone out for lovely behavior, call out the TR themselves. Apparently AOD and other outfits were TKing the stream followers on sight and destroying their vehicles in warpgate. There's a pretty significant difference between the enemy beating your rear end and your own team doing it.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:12

TEAYCHES: Jun 23, 2002

Lot of arguing here about a videogame.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:17

mbt: Aug 13, 2012

KakerMix posted:

That there are people seriously going 'Guys be nice', defending a YouTube celeb (and Angry Joe of all the loving ones to defend) and trying to shame goons of all people, in a shootmans game is loving hilarious.

but it wasn't OUR FACTION doing the dunking so you guys are being mean ol jerks :qq:

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# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:19

A FESTIVE SKELETON: Oct 2, 2011; TIS THE SEASON BITCH

Angry nerds love to play the holier-than-thou angle.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:20

Horace Kinch: Aug 15, 2007

GOKU is the PS2 antichrist, with their trash-talking and their 150% speed strafing orions, and on top of that no bullet drop.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:31

Erata: May 11, 2009; Lipstick Apathy

Just be thankful this game isn't being run by :pgi:

who'd be more than happy to nerf teamwork in order to ease the new player experience, and get back to farming the armor zergs and popping people with gimmick guns; Flare gun /tell Happy Birthday.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:32

folgore: Jun 30, 2006; nice tut

THS posted:

Lot of arguing here about a videogame.

It's OK to argue about video games.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:37

Leal: Oct 2, 2009

I sent Joe an email in hopes he'll stick around. Maybe this could be used as a general "How to PS2" :geno:

quote:

I hope you will take this into consideration and inform your outfit mates as well.

First lets talk certs, you get a single cert for every 250 xp you earn. They can buy most things outside of cosmetics, including guns if you don't want to shell out 7 bucks for one. In the beginning they are hard to come by, and if you don't know what you're going into buying you may regret it cause there are no certification refunds in the game. Killing players does give xp, but generally support can give even better xp with less risk to yourself, and killing vehicles are really nice in giving xp. Here is what I recommend to new players:

Decide to either be an engineer or a medic for a bit, you'll be spending certs to make more certs so you'll want to focus on one so you aren't spending more certs then you're willing to spend. Both classes have a tool, repair for engineer and heal for medics. Ranking either up will extend their range, for engineers they repair faster at higher ranks. For medics their guns heal faster and revive players with more life (up to 100% at max rank). Note this very important thing about the medicgun: You need to RIGHT CLICK to revive players. LEFT clicking only heals, and you can't heal a dead man. This is so people wont accidentally heal people when they want to revive a person. I recommend engineer tool to 3 and medigun to 5, minimum.

Another thing you'll want to look into is the ammo pack for engineer and the regeneration shield for the medic. More ranks into the ammo pack extends both the time the pack is on the ground and the distance the pack resupplies. The regeneration shield makes player's shield regenerate faster then normal, more ranks in the shield extends the range of the field and regens shields faster. Note that there is a rather punishingly low cap on ammo resupply xp, after a point you stop getting xp till you die. This is to stop players who would drop an ammo pack then have people shoot and reload then resupply. You'll also really want to get the revive grenades on medic as well as grenade bandolier. Basically its a grenade that instead of killing people it makes people come alive, it can revive up to 6 people and it has a very generous radius. And its a grenade, you wont have to expose yourself and risk being shot while reviving someone.

From there after getting into the flow of being a support class you can expand into the other classes. You may want to grab the motion spotter for the infiltrator, it drops a beacon on the ground that constantly shows where nearby enemies are and where they are facing. You also get xp for enemies that are killed within the radius, personally for a while I would just drop one and make a sandwich and walk back to a nice chunk of certs in bigger fights. Light assaults really need their jump jets certed up, it increases the fuel tank and makes them regenerate faster so its easier to get to higher places. And going up high is actually really, really useful cause players have problems looking up. You'll want to grab C4 on the light assault cause the ability to fly over a group of players and dropping a C4 in the middle of them is great, also 2 bricks will kill any non sunderer vehicle. For heavies you'll really want to grab the ground to air rocket launcher (Grounder), it can still dumbfire and can lock onto air vehicles.

Lets talk vehicles now, you should REALLY get the AMS upgrade installed on your sunderer. It allows you to deploy the sundy as a mobile spawn point, everyone in your outfit should have it so there will always be someone to pull one as needed. Note that for sundies as well as galaxies people in your squad can deploy straight into them even if they're on the move as long as a squad member is driving it. The basilisk are actually pretty good weapons, if only in short range as they can wreck pretty much everything that gets close.A sundy with blockade armor and dual basilisks can take on tanks. On your gal you'll want to get the bulldogs on the wings as they are great at killing infantry and covering gal drops.

And that is it, grabbing those things will definitely make earning certs go much smoother! Now please don't take this the wrong way but I noticed you making a few gameplay mistakes as well as being uninformed about changes.

- I noticed a few times you would stare at a friendly or an enemy and give a few shots before realizing they were friendly or an enemy, and I believe its cause you're confused with the friend or foe identifier, you can actually change the colors in the options menu. By default friendlies are blue, enemies are red but on the map its all faction colors. You may want to change it so the IFF shows empire colors so TR is red, NC is blue and VS is purple so its easier to know who is who. Also push Q, if its a friendly nothing happens, if its an enemy your character will call them out (enemy heavy, enemy medic, etc.) and a chevron will appear over their head.

-Sometimes you just hold down the fire button, you need to fire in shorter bursts. A half second rest can be the difference between your shots dancing around your target and them actually hitting your target.

- I saw you using small arms fire against a liberator, that doesn't work. Liberators and galaxies can only be hurt by rockets and vehicle weapons. However! ESFs like the scythe and reaver can be damaged by small arms fire. In fact a bunch of infantry firing their weapons at an esf can chase off the esf if not kill it.

- Your personal squad was around 6 people, you should stick with a full 12. You get more xp in all gains relating to getting xp, like if you spot an enemy and someone in your squad kills them you get squad spot bonus and its worth more xp then spotting for a non member. Or squad revives are worth more xp then reviving players that aren't in your squad. Also you can get a beacon that allows people in your squad to drop down on the beacon.

- Your heavy shield, you randomly turn it on and off at the wrong times. The shield makes you run slower so if you're trying to run for cover you may be better off not turning on your shield for that extra speed. Always turn it on when you're about to engage then turn it off when no enemies are around so the ability regenerates.

- You would walk near or stare straight into enemy spawn rooms. You take damage when near the spawn rooms, and the enemy can actually look out and shoot out of the spawn room shields and doors. Even though its a solid force field on the outside people on the inside can look right out of it, often "spawn room heroes" just go to bases to shoot people out of spawn rooms with no threat to themselves.

- Lattice links, this was added after the game was released and basically it means bases can only be captured if they are linked to one of your bases. Your base needs to be fully secured though, if a point is flipped or if there is a timer going on (so you flip the point back, you need to wait till it counts back up and it says "Base defended") you will not be able to capture the next base, you wont even be able to set off generators.

- You mentioned nanoweave, just to let you know about this is that it will not protect you in regards to headshots. Also it does NOT stack with the heavy shield, honestly you may want to put something else in your heavy's suit slot (grenade bandolier with anti vehicle grenades can work wonders against maxes)

Thats about it, if you want to know more feel free to respond to the email! Good luck and hope to see you on the battlefield! Don't let what happened turn you away, its always tough in the beginning!

VV gently caress, I forgot to tell him the ways of cultivating and harvesting a farm

Leal fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Jul 27, 2014

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:38

o muerte: Dec 13, 2008

All this defensive GBS ironic-posting is missing the point. You're not jerks for making GBS threads on the youtube event, you're jerks for not practicing sustainable farming. You want to keep these people around so you can farm them again, and again and again - not just do it once.

#JustSaying

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:44

lite_sleepr: Jun 3, 2003

Is that what last night was about? making GBS threads on AJA? Every continent had a queue it was just silly.

drat did someone really DDOS the guy?

Haha at my new custom title. Who was driven to spend :10bux:

on me

lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Jul 27, 2014

# ? Jul 27, 2014 07:53

Arghy: Nov 15, 2012

Goddamn we are reaching goonfleet levels of pubbies hating us and its making me feel all warm and fuzzy. I love how other VS outfits are loving in love with us while TR/NC outfits will soon be triggering at the mention of GOKU. Theres a guy on reddit who is so mad at VS in general hes not even making sense anymore and some DA guys are really loving jealous because GOKU had the numbers to do poo poo.

loving MISSION. ACCOMPLISHED.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 08:02

Gonkish: May 19, 2004

hosed around a bit on test. Directives are pretty cool. The UI updates are nice, too. I have no idea how many Directive points you need to get the helmet, but I'm at 30. That's primarily because you get credit for all the directive progress of everyone in the squad/platoon, so it's decently fast right now.

The MAX tree is loving nuts though. Oh hey, aurax your MAX punch? Yeah. No.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 08:06

TEAYCHES: Jun 23, 2002

Arghy posted:

Goddamn we are reaching goonfleet levels of pubbies hating us and its making me feel all warm and fuzzy. I love how other VS outfits are loving in love with us while TR/NC outfits will soon be triggering at the mention of GOKU. Theres a guy on reddit who is so mad at VS in general hes not even making sense anymore and some DA guys are really loving jealous because GOKU had the numbers to do poo poo.

loving MISSION. ACCOMPLISHED.

I'm gay.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 08:06

kidRiot: Dec 14, 2007; "I know you've come to kill me. Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man."

You know, Angry Joe shouldn't have any problems playing Planetside 2.

He has Delrith to lead his competitive community.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 08:14

o muerte: Dec 13, 2008

Gonkish posted:

The MAX tree is loving nuts though. Oh hey, aurax your MAX punch? Yeah. No.

Think of all the people you'll get to blap while they try to play Mike Tyson's punchout with their MAX.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 08:17

Leal: Oct 2, 2009

o muerte posted:

Think of all the people you'll get to blap while they try to play Mike Tyson's punchout with their MAX.

The VS auraxium max punch should be named "Fist of the North Star"

# ? Jul 27, 2014 08:19

Klowns: May 13, 2009; Laugh At Me Will They?

vigorous sodomy posted:

drat did someone really DDOS the guy?

It's actually a pretty common occurrence for him, people get quite upset that he has and expresses his opinions about games on the Internet which differ from theirs.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 08:28

o muerte: Dec 13, 2008

Leal posted:

The VS auraxium max punch should be named "Fist of the North Star"

Or "Crab Slap."

# ? Jul 27, 2014 08:30

Aaod: May 29, 2004

Nakar posted:

This is a PvP game, the only things you can do as a new player are ghostcap - which will not make you stick around - or get in fights with people who are probably going to beat you. Anyone coming into the game has to expect to some extent that they're going to have it rough at the outset. It's true of practically every online FPS that exists solely because of the importance of map knowledge and understanding battle flow, and there aren't many games with a more complex iteration of that than this one. I'm not sure there's anything SOE or any other company that makes an online shooter can do about that. Map sense isn't a skill you can teach, it's something you have to learn by playing.

Tonight I had a friend join that I have been trying for months to get to play the game (he tried it once and hated it previously.) I hopped on a VOIP explained a few initial newbie questions and played with him with lots of redeploying and showing why ghost capping or fighting with a zerg on your side sucks. And you know what? He had a completely opposite experience compared to what these people had. The game has a rather vertical learning curve and showing a bunch of newbies the ropes by having another newbie lead them is as someone already said a recipe for ghost capping or running face first into a buzzsaw. This is especially true given the large numbers and HORRID lack of preparation on the youtube players parts.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 08:42

Aaod: May 29, 2004

edit reply etc.

# ? Jul 27, 2014 08:51

mbt: Aug 13, 2012

Klowns posted:

It's actually a pretty common occurrence for him, people get quite upset that he has and expresses his opinions about games on the Internet which differ from theirs.

yeah it's because of his game opinions, not because of his awful, grating personality :jerkbag:

e-persona whatever

# ? Jul 27, 2014 09:49

Arghy: Nov 15, 2012

I love how he repeatedly tries to get the 3 platoons to ghost cap 20 minutes into the stream, hey construction site has no one at it LETS SEND 3 PLATOONS!

# ? Jul 27, 2014 09:52

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 11:39

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Leal posted:

The VS auraxium max punch should be named "Fist of the North Star"

Only if the NC one gets to be called "FALCON PUUUUUUUUUUUNCH."

# ? Jul 27, 2014 10:09

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