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duTrieux. posted:onenote is actually pretty good note-taking software, but microsoft has this weird obsession with pushing it on people who have absolutely no reason to use it. their material is all "use it to plan vacations! make a shopping list that the wife can update from home while the bumbling husband tries to shop! research online purchases! i will actually white knight for microsoft on this one excel is as good as it is because microsoft talked to actual human users and discovered people used spreadsheets for a thousand unexpected purposes, most especially list-making. their competitors didn't. lotus and amipro and visicalc are gone and office is still here all those weird-sounding onenote use cases are probably real
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i will actually white knight for microsoft on this one mostly true. (it's amazing how many people use excel as a layout tool)
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yeah white collar workers are unfeeling robots, that's why they respond to market incentives!!!!!
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yeah microsoft advertising that their product will help you taint your experience at a beautiful national park with your terrible, meaningless office work is pretty hilarious
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LentThem posted:http://www.zdnet.com/chinese-microsoft-staff-protest-hostile-takeover-of-nokia-unit-violent-job-cuts-7000032287/ the real surprise here is that china has labor laws
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fleshweasel posted:yeah microsoft advertising that their product will help you taint your experience at a beautiful national park with your terrible, meaningless office work is pretty hilarious microsoft is advertising that they won't shame you for doing what you know you are going to do (next up: their campaign about how many pornography coinnoisseurs choose windows phone to pound their pud in unusual places)
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:(next up: their campaign about how many pornography coinnoisseurs choose bing) but for real
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:all those weird-sounding onenote use cases are probably real also i can guarantee that at least some of them aren't because did you know that you can make money by writing fictional customer scenarios? just sayin', s all
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duTrieux. posted:also i can guarantee that at least some of them aren't because did you know that you can make money by writing fictional customer scenarios? just sayin', s all it is easier for me to believe that microsoft did in-depth research than to think they hired even one reasonable facsimile of a human being in the marketing department
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Beeftweeter posted:the real surprise here is that china has labor laws the laid off expat managers at nokia are losing their residence permits and being deported oops
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computer parts posted:they really didn't want to use xbox 720 and PS4 > XB3 so they did the third most dumb option uh they could've called it xbox 5 and it would've made the same amount of sense Notorious b.s.d. posted:excel is as good as it is because microsoft talked to actual human users and discovered people used spreadsheets for a thousand unexpected purposes http://www.geocities.jp/nchikada/pac/
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:uh they could've called it xbox 5 and it would've made the same amount of sense xbox 4, and claim that the 360 + kinect was the third xbox
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LentThem posted:http://www.zdnet.com/chinese-microsoft-staff-protest-hostile-takeover-of-nokia-unit-violent-job-cuts-7000032287/ i am kinda surprised microsoft stuck around in china so long. didn't google say gently caress it and pull out of china completely? too much concern about their source code leaking out everywhere, etc.
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sorry guys, i've been using it since it came out in 2003 or so and onenote is poo poo. it is a deep dark hole that information goes in to die. onenote's file 'format' is a complete clusterfuck with the onenote file being represented by a folder and all kinds of other poo poo. this makes it stupidly hard to send to someone in an email or even just backup. for the longest time onenote actively fought against you trying to think about where it stored its data and just blissfully assumed that of course there's only ever one machine that has your data, why would you EVER want it on multiple machines? searching for information in a onenote is total poo poo too and god help you if your organization wants people to use onenote to store information shared between multiple users. you can setup sharepoint and all kinds of poo poo but onenote is still a black hole of information that no one will ever find. a shared folder with text or word docs is infinitely more usable than onenote. seriously, onenote is like what jwz says about regular expressions. some people, when confronted with disorganization, think "I know, I'll use OneNote!" now they have two problems.
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just FYI as the resident football guy those surfaces are going to be a loving disaster. coaches HATE change, and there's no loving way a bunch of old white men are going to be using lovely tablets to do their game planning if it lasts 4 weeks i'll be genuinely surprised. their screens are also not the right size for the photographs, which are usually letter-sized - a 16:9 image won't show you what you need
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like it will it's just the wrong aspect ratio
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i guess thats the kind of insight a masters in journalism endows you with
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is this going to be a thing now I guess let's make very thread a circlejerk
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depends if u post and can constitute a circle
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graph posted:oh and the pen is lol as gently caress, nothing works with the pen, the pen is useless and by default the top clicky button opens onenote ????? i see "you clicked it and you noted it". oh poo poo, microsoft's dumb music video is working. n-nooooooo!
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graph posted:oh and the pen is lol as gently caress, nothing works with the pen, the pen is useless and by default the top clicky button opens onenote ????? the old windows tablets had wacom pens; flipping them over and rubbing the button on the screen acted like an eraser 
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graph posted:got to gently caress around with a surface pro 3 today I haven't seen a 3 yet but I heard they suck the 20 surface pros some professor ordered for a class are being handled by someone else and people here keep buying them and liking them  man I dunno
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mod sassinator posted:sorry guys, i've been using it since it came out in 2003 or so and onenote is poo poo. it is a deep dark hole that information goes in to die. onenote's file 'format' is a complete clusterfuck with the onenote file being represented by a folder and all kinds of other poo poo. this makes it stupidly hard to send to someone in an email or even just backup. for the longest time onenote actively fought against you trying to think about where it stored its data and just blissfully assumed that of course there's only ever one machine that has your data, why would you EVER want it on multiple machines? it's really good for storing your notes which don't necessarily have a well defined structure and don't need to be perfectly presented (eg lecture notes, personal plans)
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Blackula69 posted:just FYI as the resident football guy those surfaces are going to be a loving disaster. coaches HATE change, and there's no loving way a bunch of old white men are going to be using lovely tablets to do their game planning there's no way they won't use them to get high quality images from upstairs the coach will have some intern show him the pictures and he'll then go back to his paper, but they'll be used!
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in school I bought a convertible tablet laptop to take notes on. seemed like a great idea right? except for the entire laptop being an inch thick, the top of the screen to the actual image being like 5mm away and the pen giving you carpal tunnel syndrome one note worked ok though in that it let you combine typing and scribbles. someone in a CS class used a full size laptop and a usb Wacom pad so he could type in the example code fragments and notes but draw all the nice diagrams and equations in without slowing down much. seemed like a much better use of money
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as a resident of  with actually half-decent (at least for north america) worker rights, holy mother of gently caress microsoftespecially funny since european companies have taken to shutting off access to their servers after hours for most users because they'd have to pay them ot (which, you know, makes sense)
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i wonder if bing video saves my search queries.
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pagoe posted:i wonder if bing video saves my search queries. yes, microsoft is well aware of your porn addiction and sick fetishes
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pram posted:really interesting i thought it would be enormously successful how many sarnsung galaxy tabs did you see on the nhl benches last season Fabricated posted:how was it $2000 wtf 
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hobbesmaster posted:there's no way they won't use them to get high quality images from upstairs yeah i guess there will be a "tablet guy" now, i'm just skeptical that they improve on the photographs in any way also we won't get moments like this anymore: 
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but that would be even funnier with a surface
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Blackula69 posted:yeah i guess there will be a "tablet guy" now, i'm just skeptical that they improve on the photographs in any way no but we will get to see them pawing as the screen with increasing frustration as their sweaty hands fail to register on the digitizer i wonder how many will be literally thrown out of frustration
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hobbesmaster posted:but that would be even funnier with a surface
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infernal machines posted:no but we will get to see them pawing as the screen with increasing frustration as their sweaty hands fail to register on the digitizer opens the door to sponsor-branded styluses
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hobbesmaster posted:there's no way they won't use them to get high quality images from upstairs they will just hook up the surface to a printer, problem solved
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