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Uh literally nothing I said there is contentious, you can quite easily look up polling on the Iraq war: http://www.pewresearch.org/2009/11/23/polling-wars-hawks-vs-doves/ see: Iraq right or wrong? Support was about 70-85% depending on the phrasing of the question. There were no major media outlets opposed to the war and most supported the Bush admin in an unquestioning manner. HTH. Perhaps you are thinking 2005 on, when people finally realized what a big mistake it was but before that there was solid majority approval. This is really basic poo poo. tsa fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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WAFFLEHOUND posted:So just to be clear: you believe that governments which have been questionably founded lose the right to territorial integrity? People from Maydan infringed constitution. People from Crym told:" It is violent upheaval. We Don't have president and constitution, because constitution was infringed and don't function." People from Crym backed to constitution of February 26, 1992. Ukrainian law allows it in the case of a coup. History: February 26, 1992 decision of the Supreme Council of the Crimean Autonomous Autonomous Region received the official name "The Republic of Crimea". May 5, 1992 the Supreme Council of Crimea was adopted by an act of the proclamation of state independence of the Republic of Crimea - the creation of a sovereign state of the Republic of Crimea , and on 6 May 1992 at the seventh session of the Supreme Soviet adopted the Constitution of the Republic of Crimea, which determines the Republic of Crimea as a democratic state in the Ukraine and the city of Sevastopol - a city with a special status and an integral part of the Crimea. June 14, 1993 the Supreme Council of Crimea introduced as president of the Republic of Crimea, and January 30, 1994 he was elected the first president Yuri Meshkov. And then election was.
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This thread is an illegal land grab by the Russian language. I'm taking it over to protect the English speakers from the Fascists in Brighton Beach. Glory, glory, glory
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Hogge Wild posted:Fact: Ukraina killings Dombass child. Я не совсем хорошо поняла текст, так как много связок нарушено. Но определенный смысл прослеживается. Что привело к кровопролитию на Украине? Зимой мы говорили людям на Украине:"Не играйте с революцией. Это опасно! Вы забыли историю? Неужели вы не помните тех людей, которые умирали во времена революций?" Но украинцы не остановились. Люди умирают. I not absolutely well understood the text as many linking is broken. But a certain sense is traced. What led to bloodshed in Ukraine? In the winter we spoke to people in Ukraine: "Don't play with revolution. It is dangerous! You forgot history? Really you don't remember those people who died at the time of revolutions?" But Ukrainians didn't stop. People die.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE18iPQ1Euk Ukraine Crisis: Death and destruction continues in Eastern Ukraine (English) Vidio shows war in Ukraina, different opinions of people about army of Ukraina and separatists
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Top left: A Ukranian goon heard of fauxtesting and decided it was the poo poo A Keg fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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A Keg posted:Top left: A Ukranian goon heard of fauxtesting and decided it was the poo poo I didn't understand that you meant. But I am not able to laugh at death of other people
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 12:17 |
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http://varjag-2007.livejournal.com/6522621.html?view=163459069#t163459069 Thus we find misinformation. Read the comments to the post. And this komenntary shows our attitude to information. barabas_open: "anonymous experts and official point of view are incompatible" http://varjag-2007.livejournal.com/6522621.html?thread=163463421#t163463421
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utjkju posted:http://varjag-2007.livejournal.com/6522621.html?view=163459069#t163459069 So you caught the Russian media in a lie, good job. Do you still believe everything Russian media says about Ukraine and Ukrainians?
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Present posted:So you caught the Russian media in a lie, good job. Do you still believe everything Russian media says about Ukraine and Ukrainians? The Russian people endured the USSR and 90е years. We got used to take nobody the word. The people approach to any information carefully. We know that mass media can say lies that the government can say lies that people can say lies. Information is checked and rechecked. It concerns even local city news. And I anywhere didn't write that I trust mass media. That Russians trust mass media are an idea of the American people. City forums can be trusted if you look for a situation in the city. If you want to learn as there live people in any city, it is necessary to go on a city forum.
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What is stopping people from making an account on a forum and posting lies? I can sign up for the Donetsk forums right now and post about my baby being eaten for dinner by Ukrainian fascists and nobody will know its a lie.
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utjkju posted:I didn't understand that you meant. Try it sometime, dumbass.
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Present posted:What is stopping people from making an account on a forum and posting lies? This event has to occur in the city. This main condition further to understand - the truth or not. We will consider a situation in a peace time. Residents will ask at once about where it occurred. It is necessary to define location. In a peace time any murder has to be investigated. The parent has to declare in Police about murder of the child. The statement is made in duplicate. People can ask copy of statement. If there is a civil war. It is terrible. Laws don't function. Many people die and nobody don't investigate this. What can I learn on Donetsk a forum? There is a call over (перекличка) on areas of city. It show what users in it participate. A call over show : where attack, where fight where it is silent. If the user make a call over, he is the inhabitant of Donetsk, most likely. And if this user writes the opinion, we will know opinion of the inhabitant of Donetsk. Neither it is more, nor it is less. (Ни больше ни меньше)
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There are thousands of armed separatists in Donetsk. What is stopping a group of them from posting lies on the city forum and supporting each others lies? What is stopping them from blowing up a building with an explosive and saying it was the Ukrainian army that did it?
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Present posted:There are thousands of armed separatists in Donetsk. What is stopping a group of them from posting lies on the city forum and supporting each others lies? What is stopping them from blowing up a building with an explosive and saying it was the Ukrainian army that did it? In the city there are people, so there can be witnesses. People most often don't know as from where arrived shell. Sometimes they write about movement of military equipment and the soldier. If there is a firefight, they write about firefight. Those who don't support separatists, they write about an arrangement of separatists. And why to separatists to blow up the building? If to blow up the empty building, already nobody will pay attention to it. It is too much destructions in the city. If to blow up a residential building, people will be lost. You think that people will kill the neighbors? So war for federalization, instead of for destruction. They don't want to separate from Ukraine. Here that is interesting
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If it's a war for federalization, why is the Kremlin supporting it while censoring the Siberian march for federalization? They don't want to separate from Russia. Donetsk federalization=good, Siberian federalization=bad?
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Present posted:If it's a war for federalization, why is the Kremlin supporting it while censoring the Siberian march for federalization? They don't want to separate from Russia. No. Siberia is already federation. Russia have a state system - federation. In Siberia there are 4 republics, areas, edge. Each subject of federation has the self-government. I wrote about it.
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Sure, but a lot of the money Siberia makes is sent to feed Moscow. These activists want more of that money to stay in Siberia, and this is the reason for their march. And the Russian government is censoring any mention of the march in social media and newspapers. So why does the Russian government want more rights for Donetsk but less rights for Siberia?
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Present posted:Sure, but a lot of the money Siberia makes is sent to feed Moscow. These activists want more of that money to stay in Siberia, and this is the reason for their march. Siberia already includes some subjects of federation. To make the republic Siberia, it is necessary to deprive these subjects of self-government. It is necessary to combine Altai Republic, Tyva, Khakassia, Buryatia. It is not federalization. It is the return process. Present posted:These activists want more of that money to stay in Siberia, and this is the reason for their march. It is necessary to change a financial system of subjects of federation. utjkju fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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But if this is what the Siberian people want, why fight it? Donetsk people want to change how they live, and Russia supports them. Siberian people want to change how they live, and Russia censors them. Why?
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Present posted:But if this is what the Siberian people want, why fight it? Siberian people want to combine? But siberian people don't want to combine. Abaut two years ago the government wanted to unite some subjects of federation in Siberia. But people were against. The Tomsk region didn't want will unite with the Novosibirsk region. Altai Republic doesn't want will unite with the Altai territory. The Republic of Tyva doesn't want to unite with the Republic of Khakassia. And the Republic of Khakassia doesn't want will unite with Krasnoyarsk Krai.
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But Kremlin doesn't even want the Russian people to know about it. https://vk.com/sibmarsh ^^ Your government doesn't want you to know what is on that page. Do you think it's possible Kremlin doesn't want you to know other things too? Things happening in Ukraine maybe? EDIT - since you can't read it I'll copy and paste what their objectives are. quote:Новосибирцы организуют марш за федерализацию Сибири. Он запланирован на 17 августа. Участники потребуют автономии в составе России, льгот жителям Зауралья за «суровые климатические условия» и справедливого распределения налогов на добычу полезных ископаемых. And your government doesn't even want you to know that this is happening. How does this make you feel? Present fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Present posted:But Kremlin doesn't even want the Russian people to know about it. ) The Kremlin doesn't want disorders in Novosibirsk. Local people can tear off heads of these morons.
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Среди требований марша — введение льгот и надбавок для граждан, проживающих на территориях с «суровым» климатом, появления региональной составляющей в налог на добычу полезных ископаемых, что сделает распределение доходов между федеральным и местными бюджетами «справедливее», и создания «более независимых от центра» органов власти. It everything already and so is. We have privileges, we have a self-government independent of Moscow.
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So all those people are just confused, and the government is censoring the information about their march so they don't get beaten up by other Siberians?
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Либерал-демократы уверены, что Омскую область в ближайшее время объединят с Новосибирской, а Омск может быть потерян для России. На сегодняшнем брифинге представители омского регионального отделения партии ЛДПР вновь заявили, что нужно выделить город Омск в отдельный субъект федерации. По их мнению, в ближайшее время Омскую область объединят с Новосибирской, и тогда миллионник Омск будет потерян для страны. Как уже сообщало РИА «Омск-Информ», с идей придать особый статус Омску недавно выступил лидер омских либерал-демократов, депутат Госдумы Ян Зелинский. Он уверен, что в Омск придут налоги, и город будет хорошо развиваться. – Есть пример – это Москва и Санкт-Петербург. Они очень хорошо развиты, у них огромные бюджеты, – сделал сравнения Зелинский. – Если выделить Омск из состава Омской области, бюджет города сразу повысится в 3 раза. А в Омской области есть много городов, которые могут стать столицей региона: Исилькуль, Тара, Калачинск. Берите любой и делайте столицу. Бывший губернатор Омской области заявлял, что если бы был губернатором, перенес бы столицу в Тару. Можно рассмотреть такой вопрос. Чиновники, министры и депутаты переехали бы в Тару. Омские либерал-демократы намерены вынести этот вопрос на референдум, добро на который должен дать Горсовет. Лидер фракции ЛДПР в городском парламенте Алексей Ложкин в ближайшее время намерен инициировать этот вопрос. По его словам, Омск должен быть отдельным субъектом Федерации и по причине того, что город в противном случае можно потерять. Либерал-демократы уверены, что в будущем Омская область сольется с Новосибирской, а может быть, даже и с Томской. – Данный проект как раз спасает город Омск. Если мы сольемся с Новосибирской областью, то Омск превратится в обычный промышленный город. Мы уничтожим этот город. Если люди проголосуют за отделение, Путин вряд ли пойдет против населения миллионного города, – заявил Ложкин. В свою очередь, Ян Зелинский назвал документ, по которому слияние Омской области с другими субъектами неизбежно. – Еще в 2002 году вышло постановление правительства Российской Федерации об укрупнении субъектов Российской Федерации, в том числе там есть пункт об объединении Новосибирской, Томской и Омской областей. Это постановление действует. К сожалению, объединение Омской и Новосибирской областей – дело времени. Если мы Омск выделяем отдельным субъектом, мы его хотя бы сохраним. Пройдет 3 года или 8 лет – Омская область объединится с Новосибирской, – уверен Зелинский. Добавим, что представители ЛДПР хотят вынести на референдум 10 вопросов, при этом, если Горсовет их не поддержит, инициаторы референдума готовы идти на крайние меры, вплоть до роспуска городского парламента и объявления импичмента мэру.
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utjkju posted:) Kiev doesn't want disorders in Donbass. Local volunteers can tear off heads of separatist morons. )
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Present posted:So all those people are just confused, and the government is censoring the information about their march so they don't get beaten up by other Siberians? Yes. Let students go to study. And the prosecutor's office is not the Kremlin. The application about closing of the page was submitted by local self-government institutions.
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3peat posted:Kiev doesn't want disorders in Donbass. Local volunteers can tear off heads of separatist morons. And why on a referendum they did not tore off heads of separatist morons? utjkju fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Because the morons all had AK-47s, tanks and BTRs? They bought them at the same military surplus store as the many thousands of Crimean patriots did earlier.
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Present posted:Because the morons all had AK-47s, tanks and BTRs? All men of Donbass rose against separatists and registered in army of Ukraine?
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Only the ones that wanted to eat more Russian babies. There's nothing like a nicely cooked Russian baby. Last time I had one was when I was in Kiev for Euro 2012 and let me tell you, that Russian baby was delicious.
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))) MOSCOW, on August 6. / ITAR-TASS/. The Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation plans to create in social networks and on video hostings special accounts that the State Department of the USA and the Pentagon could receive objective information on actions of the Russian army. The chief of the press service of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation major general Igor Konashenkov reported to journalists about it on Wednesday. http://itar-tass.com/politika/1364231
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Putin signed the decree about countermeasures on the West sanction MOSCOW, on August 6. / ITAR-TASS/. The president of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin signed the Decree "About Application of Separate Special Economic Measures for Safety of the Russian Federation". The press service of the Kremlin reported about it The document it is offered to bodies of the state power of the Russian Federation "in the activity to recognize that within one year from the date of coming into effect of the present Decree implementation of the external economic operations providing import to the territory of the Russian Federation of separate types of agricultural production, raw materials and the food which country of origin is the state which made the decision on introduction of economic sanctions concerning the Russian legal and (or) natural persons or has joined such decision" is forbidden or limited.
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The funniest thing about those counter sanctions is that Putin is going to continue eating any kind of food he wants to. You won't.
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Ask me about the political situation in California I live in New York, but I read online forums that contradict the lies you hear in the media. Also my aunt's ex-husband lives there, so I've got inside info. Here, let me post 25 incomprehensible YouTube links I will also copy & paste 72 equally-incomprehensible forum posts
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stoppings taking medicine: fact
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jimma posted:Ask me about the political situation in California
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Present posted:The funniest thing about those counter sanctions is that Putin is going to continue eating any kind of food he wants to. For example, Siberia make the main products. We buy meat, a flour, vegetables, dairy products of local production. Fruit grows in the south of Russia. It is good for our producers.
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Hogge Wild posted:stoppings taking medicine: fact There are roundabout ways. It is necessary to arrange production. Must not to depend on foreign suppliers.
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