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Rhyno posted:I will give you $1 and this half eaten twinkie sitting on my desk. With how rare comics from the 90's are this would be...just about fair, actually.
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SalTheBard posted:I am legit very jealous of you. I love that cover. Same. I should get it as a poster or something, it'd look kickass. Say what you will about the guy, but his time on Spider-Man was amaz...spectac...very enjoyable.
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WickedHate posted:Same. I should get it as a poster or something, it'd look kickass. Say what you will about the guy, but his time on Spider-Man was amaz...spectac...very enjoyable. As long as you only pay attention to his webbing and ignore the fact that Spider-Man looks objectively terrible on that cover.
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His face looks like it was hit with a shovel. And the art inside gets even worse. That said, the visuals are much better than the writing.
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Aug 5, 2014 15:07
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Suben posted:I hope that means we can get '90s TAS Spidey meeting SHOOOOOOCKEEEEERRRRRR. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWRjsqoSWTI
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Shocker and Electro are missing and a deadly new presence known as Electro-Shock prowls the streets!! Mean while could there be a little Parker on the way? How will the Amazing Spider-Man juggle this deadly new threat and the onset of fatherhood and a beard?! Guest starring A 5-part mini event in Amazing Spider-Man that'll change the Spidey universe forever!! Yo Marvel, Contact me. I'll work for half the pay Slott is on.
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Aug 6, 2014 07:10
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Put the Newspaper Spidey team in charge. Please.
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Aug 6, 2014 07:25
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I actually didn't totally hate the Spock 32 issue. I find it interesting that Spider-Verse is basically going to be a thing due to something Spock did. Of course I also thought the intro issue to Spider-Island was pretty good too, and look how that all turned out.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I actually didn't totally hate the Spock 32 issue. I find it interesting that Spider-Verse is basically going to be a thing due to something Spock did. Anna is again drawn like a little girl, instead of a dwarfed person which makes Spock's interactions with her even weirder than before. Other than that, I liked the issue. Superior Spider-Man wasn't a bad idea, it was just done by a bad writer. The Spider-Men so far with Spock are: Some kind of Arabian Spider-Man Six-Armed Spider-Man Spider-Monkey Some kind of female Spider-Man in a Ms. Marvel looking costume Spider-Man Noir Spider-Man vs Wolverine (That really bad rear end one who could predict the future days/weeks in advance)
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Aug 6, 2014 19:43
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Poor Overdrive, he just wanted to be like Hawkeye, Quicksilver and all the other Avengers and work as a petty villain so all the heroes would see he's cool and let him reform.  Flameingblack posted:The Spider-Men so far with Spock are: Arabian Spider-Man is Spider-Man India, female is Spider-Bitch from Old Man Logan (ain't Mark Millar a charming fellow?), six-arm one is Man-Spider from Mutant X.
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Aug 6, 2014 19:55
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notthegoatseguy posted:I actually didn't totally hate the Spock 32 issue. I find it interesting that Spider-Verse is basically going to be a thing due to something Spock did. Cool start. I'm excited to see where this goes. I really liked "Wolverine Trained Spider Man".
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Aug 6, 2014 22:22
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Suben posted:female is Spider-Bitch from Old Man Logan (ain't Mark Millar a charming fellow?) I read this comic. It felt like a comic I was not supposed to read. I don't know how I feel about it. It felt gory just for the sake of it...kind of like Ultimate Marvel's Ultimatum. Oddly enough, I think the artist who did OML's art did Ultimatum's too.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:05
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ThermoPhysical posted:I don't know how I feel about it. It felt gory just for the sake of it...kind of like Ultimate Marvel's Ultimatum. Oddly enough, I think the artist who did OML's art did Ultimatum's too. David Finch did Ultimatum; OML was Steven McNiven, who did Civil War with Millar.
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Metal Loaf posted:David Finch did Ultimatum; OML was Steven McNiven, who did Civil War with Millar. Ahhh, ok. I got confused a bit there. I've read Civil War too so I knew I knew the art from somewhere. I like it a lot, really. Better than the stuff in current ASM...
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So the Spider-Men that Ock found dead were from "What If Spider-Man Joined the Fantastic Four," House of M, and some alternate reality where the Civil War was still going, but what was the one in the gray and black suit from? It looks familiar but I can't quite place it.
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ThermoPhysical posted:Ahhh, ok. I got confused a bit there. I've read Civil War too so I knew I knew the art from somewhere. For what it's worth, I'm fairly sure that Finch is basically (along with Jim Lee) the New 52 artist at the moment. 
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Aug 7, 2014 00:36
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I really enjoyed that issue of Superior. Otto's a ton of fun when he's written right, and this looks like a cool lead-in to Spiderverse. Hopefully the next couple issues of Superior are as fun.
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Wanderer posted:So the Spider-Men that Ock found dead were from "What If Spider-Man Joined the Fantastic Four," House of M, and some alternate reality where the Civil War was still going, but what was the one in the gray and black suit from? It looks familiar but I can't quite place it. Armored Spider-Man could've been either a random alternate dimension where Spidey wore that or it could've been the Armored Spider-Man from the last couple of episodes of the '90s cartoon probably.
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Wanderer posted:So the Spider-Men that Ock found dead were from "What If Spider-Man Joined the Fantastic Four," House of M, and some alternate reality where the Civil War was still going, but what was the one in the gray and black suit from? It looks familiar but I can't quite place it.  The only comic it made it to was this one in the 90's. RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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Metal Loaf posted:For what it's worth, I'm fairly sure that Finch is basically (along with Jim Lee) the New 52 artist at the moment. Among other things, ... VVVVVVV = But not as good as the Spider-Man 2099 suit with invisibility/unlimited webbing. Inkspot fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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Flameingblack posted:It's likely it's from the 90's era Spider-Man cartoon. I remember that being a power-up in the PS1/N64 game based on the animated series as well.
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That spider armor showed up in regular continuity as well, it was made out of hardened webbing derivative a worn for a single issue then Peter purposefully broke it by flexing (yes flexing) and revealed he was wearing a regular suit beneath it. That's "Here's you loving toy tie in you dicks!" in writer speak.
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SirDan3k posted:That spider armor showed up in regular continuity as well, it was made out of hardened webbing derivative a worn for a single issue then Peter purposefully broke it by flexing (yes flexing) and revealed he was wearing a regular suit beneath it. That's "Here's you loving toy tie in you dicks!" in writer speak. It had little molded spiders on the knuckles. I hated that suit.
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Rhyno posted:It had little molded spiders on the knuckles. I hated that suit. Oh my God what. Really? What issue was that in? That sounds like a bad cosplay.
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ThermoPhysical posted:Oh my God what. 
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I like Spider-Armor because it was in Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter. This is the same logic that makes the modular armor the iconic Iron Man armor for me.
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Haha. It looks more like a quilt than Shocker's suit.
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God drat it. I just remembered something gross but funny that my friend said about that book back when it came out but I'm trying to behave myself right now. But I can lead you all in that direction. "Hardened webbing-agent."
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SirDan3k posted:That spider armor showed up in regular continuity as well, it was made out of hardened webbing derivative a worn for a single issue then Peter purposefully broke it by flexing (yes flexing) and revealed he was wearing a regular suit beneath it. That's "Here's you loving toy tie in you dicks!" in writer speak. That issue was great. The suit gave him a bit of an edge while fighting a huge team of villains, got wrecked, and had obvious downsides that explain why he doesn't wear it all the time. It's exactly what a special one-shot gimmick suit should be.
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I thought the Spider that bite Parker was eaten by some bully?
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TLG James posted:I thought the Spider that bite Parker was eaten by some bully? Tangled Web was a great series. But I guess it can bite twice before becoming a snack.
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So the chat thread let me know about Axis, which is the next big Marvel event. Goddamn. Now, in addition to being BSS' biggest Slingers fan, I'm a Spider-Fan in general. Spidey was, is, and always will be my favourite of the Big Two's characters. He's also Marvel's flagship character. The FF might have kicked off the Marvel Age of Comics, but Spidey defined it. When Bendis redefined the Avengers to be more of Marvel's version of the JLA, he had me hooked. His reasoning was that "if the Avengers were supposed to be a team made up of Marvel's biggest characters, then where the hell are Wolverine and Spider-Man? Why hasn't anyone done this before, except very briefly in event comics?" So he did it. He made Spidey an Avenger. While you can certainly be critical of the fact that over the course of that storyline Spidey's usual cast got shafted, the interactions between him and the other Avengers were absolutely wonderful. Add in the fact that Bendis and the other writers (even JMS) started treating Spidey as a Big Gun was great. Honestly, Spidey has teamed up with everyone. He's wicked intelligent, if not exactly in the same league as Banner, Stark, and Reed, he can understand what they're driving towards, and even contribute. He's Been everywhere in the Marvel U. And so the writers called on those experiences to make Spider-Man a fully realized and contributing character. Spider-Man matured in those stories, and took on more power and more responsibility. It was great, and everything I wanted from the character. Of course, then everything went up poo poo creep=k with OMD and OMIT. Spidey had matured too much, someone decided, and the status quo needed to be reset. Reset all the way back to the 60's, because Geoff John's Disease is communicable and airborne, apparently. And so after that trainwreck Spidey was given to Slott, who had his own designs on the character that didn't involve him being an Avenger so much? Some of this can probably be traced back to the movies, honestly. Well, not so much the movies as the movie rights. Marvel has become more of a movie company than a comic book company now - as well as a story-and-character-IP warehouse, which is why Disney gobbled them up. Marvel has full rights to the Avengers, which is making them a lot of money. Sony has the Spider-Man movie rights, which Marvel probably earns much fewer dollars from. Therefore, why would you want to cross-contaminate the franchise you make a hell of a lot off of with what amounts to a competitor's franchise? Better to remove Spidey from the Avengers and give him his own corner of the Marvel universe, where he can't get in the way of your own movie juggernauts. (But not THE Juggernaut, because Fox has his rights for now.) So, one Brand New Day, Big Time, and Dock Ock Mind Swap later, we find ourselves in the present day, and looking at Axis. Why has this pissed me off? One of the great things about Spidey has always been his rogues gallery. When it comes to iconic enemies, only Batman's come second. (The Flash is third. I'll brook no arguments on this.) Spidey's villains are characters with character. This the problem. Marvel comic event writers want to start using them as Big Bads... but without doing more than just paying lip service to the hero they were created to fight. Long time BSS readers know how pissed off Dark Reign/Siege made me. Norman Osborn is a Spider-Man villain. Full stop. If you have anybody else but Spider-Man take him down in your summer event comic... why use Norman in the first place? If you're showing off how cool Tony Stark is again, Why not have Obadiah Stane head up HAMMER, or - and I can't believe I only just thought of this right now - Justin Hammer himself? Come on, it's his last name, for crying out loud! NOW we'll talk Axis. Two of Red Skull's lieutenants are Spider-villains: Carnage and In an AVENGERS/X-MEN event where a full third of the baddies are his own goddamn personal enemies. Peter's baddies are just too good to be wasted on Peter, I guess. drat it, Marvel. I just want everybody to love Spider-Man again  Thank you for reading this stupidly long bit of opinion.
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I never liked the "these villains ONLY fight THIS hero" thing. Why shouldn't the Avengers fight Electro or Carnage? Those guys are pretty huge threats. At this point Hobgoblin is pretty much a mass-murderer, but if Captain America runs into him on the street he should just go "I should tell Spider-Man I saw Hobgoblin today." You even talk about it in your post. Spider-Man gets more power and responsibility by joining the Avengers and fighting "big guns" like Kang and Ultron. This is the same thing but with his villains. Norman Osborn was a great choice to lead HAMMER and the Dark Reign arc - he was a master villain and one of Marvel's best but had never been given a shot outside of Amazing books. I dunno. I like it when the X-Men have to deal with the Kingpin or the Lizard goes nuts in Stark Enterprises. Like, the only exclusive villains should be ones whose only villain thing is HATING that hero (like the Spider-Slayers or something). Edit: Also Spider-Man has rejoined the Avengers and how do you know he won't be a part of Axis?
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JohnnyCanuck posted:When Bendis redefined the Avengers to be more of Marvel's version of the JLA, he had me hooked. His reasoning was that "if the Avengers were supposed to be a team made up of Marvel's biggest characters, then where the hell are Wolverine and Spider-Man? Why hasn't anyone done this before, except very briefly in event comics?" So he did it. quote:He made Spidey an Avenger. While you can certainly be critical of the fact that over the course of that storyline Spidey's usual cast got shafted, the interactions between him and the other Avengers were absolutely wonderful. Add in the fact that Bendis and the other writers (even JMS) started treating Spidey as a Big Gun was great. Honestly, Spidey has teamed up with everyone. He's wicked intelligent, if not exactly in the same league as Banner, Stark, and Reed, he can understand what they're driving towards, and even contribute. He's Been everywhere in the Marvel U. And so the writers called on those experiences to make Spider-Man a fully realized and contributing character. Spider-Man matured in those stories, and took on more power and more responsibility. It was great, and everything I wanted from the character. quote:Some of this can probably be traced back to the movies, honestly. Well, not so much the movies as the movie rights. Marvel has become more of a movie company than a comic book company now - as well as a story-and-character-IP warehouse, which is why Disney gobbled them up. Marvel has full rights to the Avengers, which is making them a lot of money. Sony has the Spider-Man movie rights, which Marvel probably earns much fewer dollars from. Therefore, why would you want to cross-contaminate the franchise you make a hell of a lot off of with what amounts to a competitor's franchise? Better to remove Spidey from the Avengers and give him his own corner of the Marvel universe, where he can't get in the way of your own movie juggernauts. Joe Quesada became editor-in-chief of Marvel in 2000, and wanted to "put the genie back in the bottle" w/r/t Spider-Man more or less from the start. The first Spider-Man movie came out in 2000 too. Marvel sued Sony over not being given proper compensation over Spider-Man movies in 2003. Spider-Man joined the Avengers in 2005. One More Day was 2007. The first Marvel Studios movie was 2008. Disney bought Marvel in 2009. Spider-Man was "forced out" of the Avengers due to Superior Spider-Man in 2013. Spider-Man is back on the Avengers as of 2014. This is an oversimplification and correlation does not equal causation, but you don't even have correlation right now. Dan Slott, as dumb as his run is, is pretty constantly referencing the fact that Spider-Man is an Avenger and tight with the Fantastic Four and Wolverine and Thor and Captain America and Iron Man and all the female superheroes want to sleep with him and he's really pretty rad. In fact, half of the time Spider-Man's villains will punk out the Avengers and Spider-Man has to save the world. Amazingly, Siege is like the one time where Spider-Man needs help to defeat his super badass world-beating hardcore villains, most of the time it's Hulk and Iron Man crawling to Peter's door going "DOC OCK IS JUST TOO MUCH FOR US, SAVE US STUD" I also don't really see why you're so proprietary over Spider-Man villains either. Did Frank Miller poaching Kingpin for Daredevil piss you off? Is there an Iron Man fan out there who can't believe that he got loving JOBBED OUT LIKE A JOBBER GEEK in Infinity Gauntlet even though he's an Iron Man villain? There are hundreds of issues of Punisher that don't even MENTION Spider-Man. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Aug 10, 2014 |
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Little Mac posted:At this point Hobgoblin is pretty much a mass-murderer, He is? As far as I know, his current thing is keeping a distance and leasing out villain identities to various proxies. Did I miss something? I agree with your general point though. I thought Matt Fraction made great use of Doc Ock towards the end of his Iron Man run.
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Archyduke posted:He is? As far as I know, his current thing is keeping a distance and leasing out villain identities to various proxies. Did I miss something? He still killed a lot of people back in his first appearance, and has killed some since. Not to mention Macendale killed like nobody's business when he had the mantle.
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Lurdiak posted:He still killed a lot of people back in his first appearance, and has killed some since. Not to mention Macendale killed like nobody's business when he had the mantle. Ah, ok, I thought I'd missed something since dropping ASM.
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Edge & Christian posted:I mean, I liked Bendis's New Avengers too, but I still don't understand why this "Marvel's Version of the JLA" thing persists. That's never what the Avengers were, and it wasn't what they were when Bendis took over. Sure, he added Wolverine and Spider-Man who are two of Marvel's biggest properties. He also added Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, Echo, Sentry, and a bunch of other characters who aren't very big at all. But okay, I'm with you so far, Spider-Man joined the Avengers and that's cool. You're totally right. I wrote most of this right after waking up and learning about Axis for the first time, pre-coffee. I don't have any real supporting evidence for any of it... but dammit if it doesn't feel like I'm on to something. What I need to do is retire the rant until I can research my run-together decade better. That would take time and work, of course, and a much as I like Spidey...  E&C, why couldn't you let me continue thinking I was smart about comics?
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Suben posted:Poor Overdrive, he just wanted to be like Hawkeye, Quicksilver and all the other Avengers and work as a petty villain so all the heroes would see he's cool and let him reform. I would unironically love it if this worked out for him in the long run. He'll probably go back to being a randomly used c-list villain, but just put someone awesome on his solo book and we could have the next Hawkeye.
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