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Yeah no poo poo. Simpson and his donkey were known for helping wounded soldiers, not making them.
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Mad Katter posted:The photo is of Wyatt Roy, who was the youngest Australian elected to parliament back on 2010. I keep telling you people about Howard years history education. It bad.
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Israel have caused otherwise ambivalent people to become actual anti-semites, in the same way that Al Qaeda have caused people to become Islamophobes
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 14:26 |
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Yeah look I've read Manufacturing Consent a few times and I'm not particularly daft. Jim is talking dumb poo poo about this bus situation.
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 14:28 |
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Well I haven't so I don't know the nuances. How does it not fit for these children to be "worthy victims" in the eyes of some
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Haters Objector posted:Israel have caused otherwise ambivalent people to become actual anti-semites, in the same way that Al Qaeda have caused people to become Islamophobes Also this. Not just islamophobes, but just generally more racist towards Arabic and Asian peoples.
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 14:32 |
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Captain Pissweak posted:I keep telling you people about Howard years history education. Howard taught us that WWI/ANZAC remembrances are rallies where we go and cheer our soldiers who fought for our freedoms; it's like Australia Day for soldiers. With that in mind, you can see how that picture would make total sense to young Wyatt.
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Mad Katter posted:The photo is of Wyatt Roy, who was the youngest Australian elected to parliament back on 2010. It fits, since Wyatt Roy is a senseless waste of a life.
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Amoeba102 posted:Well I haven't so I don't know the nuances. How does it not fit for these children to be "worthy victims" in the eyes of some In my interpretation, you don't apply the concept until there's appreciable media coverage. So, not just when a terrorgraph link has been up for 4 hours. It's about the culture, not one article, and if anyone in the media persists with this story they'll have to admit that they're dealing with white supremacists so it will derail the whole narrative. So these children won't exist in the narrative, but they will exist as traumatised kids outside of it who were manipulated by their parents and propagandists and mocked by idiots for absolutely bullshit reasons which had nothing to do with ensuring their wellbeing.
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 14:53 |
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Not to mention how grotty it is that someone's response to a bunch of preteen kids who go to a religious school getting threatened by neonazis in a metal box is 'hmm problematic that this is reported, reeks of propaganda amirite'
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 15:00 |
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Seriously, stop whatever you're doing and watch the full interview. The guy who thinks of himself as the smartest man in Cabinet (if not the parliament) takes literally five minutes to stammer and stutter his way through explaining the difference between a website and a webpage. "We're not monitoring your web surfing, just the addresses of the sites you visit" Clark & Dawe are out of a job.
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 15:02 |
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Tokamak posted:Howard taught us that WWI/ANZAC remembrances are rallies where we go and cheer our soldiers who fought for our freedoms; it's like Australia Day for soldiers. God its always depressing to see people happy cheering away at war remembrance events, or just for war in general. War is poo poo. Its purpose is pretty much just to destroy lives as fast as possibles. Even those who don't die often carry the trauma of it for the rest of their lives. Why the hell would any one ever cheer for that. Even in the rare wars where some good resulted -and by something good results I mean preventing something even worse from happening, usually a genocide or less directed mass civilian slaughter- that still doesn't make it good, it just makes it slightly less terrible. Humanity can often be pretty awesome, but some aspects of it are just straight hosed up.
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Didn't get a chance to catch Ferguson vs. Pyne on 7.30 tonight and it isn't up on iview yet. Was it satisfyingly brutal?
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 15:12 |
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ABCNews23 @ABCNews23 · May 21 #breaking Frances Abbott expected to make full recovery from first degree burns.
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 15:13 |
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Captain Pissweak posted:I keep telling you people about Howard years history education. I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but when I did history in year 6-10 we were taught that Gallipoli was a great victory for Australia and our soldiers were hard men who fought against ten times their number and managed to get away cleanly by being ingenious.
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Murodese posted:I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but when I did history in year 6-10 we were taught that Gallipoli was a great victory for Australia and our soldiers were hard men who fought against ten times their number and managed to get away cleanly by being ingenious. I didn't learn we lost at school. A movie taught me that.
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 15:39 |
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Less a loss and more batting out till the end of day 5 despite injuries, a fixed pitch and biased umpires, is the message I got from school.
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 15:52 |
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webmeister posted:Seriously, stop whatever you're doing and watch the full interview. The guy who thinks of himself as the smartest man in Cabinet (if not the parliament) takes literally five minutes to stammer and stutter his way through explaining the difference between a website and a webpage. "We're not monitoring your web surfing, just the addresses of the sites you visit" (edit: broken image)
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Captain Pissweak posted:I didn't learn we lost at school. I seem to say this every month, so time to get it out of the way early this time: Similarly, I didn't know we lost at Gallipoli until seeing the actual movie; it was apparently more important that we know what an Australian trench looked like, down to specific details, than whether or not we won in them. The worse one to me is still Eureka, though. I didn't know it was a failure until last year, when explaining the name of the Australian mech from Pacific Rim to an American friend of mine. Guillermo del Toro indirectly taught me more Australian history than my actual Australian history course. That lovely Howard history curriculum REALLY hosed up my sense of both perspective and actual historical fact. Not only did it gloss over our failures and shady poo poo (of which there were many; Australia hasn't exactly had the most glorious history), the overfocus on what little we do have meant that I had a twisted grasp of the history of the rest of the world in comparison.
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 17:36 |
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I was at school during the Howard years and I learned we lost They even showed us Gallipoli
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 18:25 |
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Fruity Gordo posted:In my interpretation, you don't apply the concept until there's appreciable media coverage. So, not just when a terrorgraph link has been up for 4 hours. It's about the culture, not one article, and if anyone in the media persists with this story they'll have to admit that they're dealing with white supremacists so it will derail the whole narrative. So these children won't exist in the narrative, but they will exist as traumatised kids outside of it who were manipulated by their parents and propagandists and mocked by idiots for absolutely bullshit reasons which had nothing to do with ensuring their wellbeing. It's the front page story for today's Telegraph. I was going to write something more but I'm just too tired to articulate it. Ler fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Whatever you learned about Gallipoli or Eureka in school prior to or during the Howard years is informative of how awful your teachers were. Nobody ever changed the curricula to say "tell them we won." Also some guy on the bus just flicked open his copy of the Terrorgraph to what looked like a section heading saying "SMH IN CRISIS." Before I choke him for giving money to Rupert, are they seriously dedicating pages, plural, to making GBS threads on Fairfax? Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/terror-touches-down-20140806-3d8wj.htmlquote:Rampant visa fraud and migration crime involving people flying into Australia are going unchecked while the government focuses on stopping boats, according to secret government files detailing entrenched Immigration Department failings.
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duck monster posted:Its yet another groupsicle to come out of the "national alternative" which split up a while back. @ndy slackbastard will probably do a write up at some point soon. Duck Monster: in your opinion, what is the state of play w/r/t the vitality of fascist/racist/fuckhead groups in Australia today? On the rise? Dying a slow death? Maintaining a toehold?
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# ? Aug 6, 2014 23:17 |
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Yes, Minister on metadata. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FRVvjGL2C0 Murodese posted:I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but when I did history in year 6-10 we were taught that Gallipoli was a great victory for Australia and our soldiers were hard men who fought against ten times their number and managed to get away cleanly by being ingenious. The retreat and evacuation at Gallipoli was by far the most successful part of the operation. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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re: the schoolkids and the neo-nazis:quote:Police arrested five of the teenagers at Dover Heights, in Sydney's eastern suburbs, at 3:30am on Thursday after residents recognised them from publicity over the attack. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-07/teenagers-arrested-for-bondi-school-bus-abuse/5654108
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Cleretic posted:I seem to say this every month, so time to get it out of the way early this time: Truth. At my high school, we certainly got a little bit of "war is fatalistic hell" from a broad philosophical point of view, but the actual details got glossed over to a degree I am only just now beginning to realise.
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# ? Aug 7, 2014 00:50 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yes, Minister on metadata. Completely unrealistic in the Australian political context. Someone in the Prime Minister's Office knows what they're doing.
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# ? Aug 7, 2014 01:07 |
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SynthOrange posted:re: the schoolkids and the neo-nazis: Teens too drunk to interview. Great work Australia Not going to watch that Brandis interview, no matter how hilarious or gut wrenching it is. However here's a photo of everyone's favourite punchable face at the Free Speech conference today:
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# ? Aug 7, 2014 01:21 |
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A former Canadian politician turned financial advice author/blogger has some advice for an Australian senator. Can one of you give him a shout? http://www.greaterfool.ca/2014/08/06/no-kidding/ You probably want to steer clear of letting people pillage their retirement saving for house down payments. E: ugh phone posting ocrumsprug fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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My History education was pre-Howard to early days of Howard. We were taught that we lost valiantly at Gallipoli but only because the British dumped us on the wrong beach. We are taught that our poor ANZACs were slaughtered coming off the boats into machine gun fire. The thing is, we probably landed on the correct beach as the one that we were supposed to land on had ten thousand Turkish troops sitting there waiting for us. If the ANZACs had tried to land there, they would have been an utterly slaughtered. The actually beach landing was one of the most successful in history with only a half dozens casualties in the first hour. The main reason the Turkish were able to pin them down was that Ataturk (i.e. the father of modern secular Turkey) defied orders from his superiors and the Germans to move troops in the way of the advancing ANZACs (the Germans thought that it was a feint and wanted the troops to stay at the beach where they were "supposed" to land). Sorry to out - but it's one of those little myths that piss me off
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Freudian Slip posted:
Nah that's really interesting, don't apologise! I got taught the same bullshit about it all being the pom's fault. Splode fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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Can't have that, it paints turks as people who have agency and positive characteristics such as bravery and skill, rather than as a barbarous swarthy tennis ball machine.
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# ? Aug 7, 2014 01:41 |
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poo poo man, you can put anything on Newspapers these days and the most punishment you'll get is your article displayed on some ABC program.
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# ? Aug 7, 2014 01:42 |
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yeah the british who did land at the "correct" beach got loving slaughtered
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# ? Aug 7, 2014 01:43 |
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I suppose Gallipoli is easier to pronounce than Pozières or a bit more exciting sounding than The Battle of Mouquet Farm. Though back then troops dubbed it "Moo-Cow Farm". Then again pretty much all my war history came well after high school thanks to the Internet. We were only given a cursory pass over in "Aus Studies", which was a separate class from "history" during the height of the Howard era when ANZAC was ramping up to be a jingoistical rock concert. Gallipoli was pretty much summed up as "we believed Germans were killing nuns and kittens in Belgium, so we went over there because the Poms told us to, and we didn't really do very well. But we celebrate the "Aussie Battler Spirit" as a result." And watching The Lighthorsemen, Gallipoli and Breaker Morant, for some odd reason - we had no idea what the Boer War was, and just assumed it was something from the first. I don't think I even learnt why or how WWI was started, I had to have the joke "Franz Ferdinand found alive, First World War a mistake" explained to me. Let alone the other global events that were occurring that weren't on a beachfront in Turkey. BogDew fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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From the Arse-tralian: quote:Sex workers to have to wait longer to get dole
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# ? Aug 7, 2014 02:08 |
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Who was it that asked for meta-data to be stored in paper format? I read it a few days ago but didnt save it!
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# ? Aug 7, 2014 02:14 |
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Closing the loopholes to make it perfectly clear that yes we do in fact want you destitute and starving for 6 months.
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Kat Delacour posted:Closing the loopholes to make it perfectly clear that yes we do in fact want you destitute and starving for 6 months. Actually I think in this case it's the Coalition wanting to dodge very real and accurate accusations that they may be encouraging/forcing women into sex work because of their changes.
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