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What is the best version of El? This poll is closed. |
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| Elminster |
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20 | 6.45% |
| Elmara |
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20 | 6.45% |
| Entwine |
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13 | 4.19% |
| GURPS |
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99 | 31.94% |
| El Kabong |
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153 | 49.35% |
| Elves |
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5 | 1.61% |
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Someone should make sure Zak S knows what the words "moral high ground" mean.
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Aug 8, 2014 22:34
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Bosushi! posted:It's hard to say that Zak has complete prejudice against all LGBT people when you look at his circle of friends. No one (or, at least, few people) are saying that. It's like the difference between telling someone that they said something racist and that they are a racist; most people are saying the equivalent of the former (that Zak has said and done things that are horribly bigoted against women and LGBT people), but Zak and his cronies conflate it all as the latter and then point to his circle of friends as proof to the contrary (which is an act of bigotry in and of itself, because Zak does not half-rear end these things).
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Aug 8, 2014 22:36
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Bosushi! posted:Trying to understand this issue has been like trying to herd cats because the conversation takes place across a billion different social media sites. It's hard to say that Zak has complete prejudice against all LGBT people when you look at his circle of friends. However, he clearly has no problem saying some hosed up poo poo to people he perceives as enemies and will seldom apologize for it. He also appears to have a really hard time doing any kind of self examination. To add to this, he has hounded said person who bowed out for years for an apology, and regularly drags her name through the mud at every opportunity. The man is incredibly vindictive and has zero ability to understand how his behavior has caused any of this. Also Bosushi! posted:and will seldom apologize for it. Has anyone ever seen Zak S apologize? I don't think I have ever seen him apologize to anyone, over anything.
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Aug 8, 2014 22:37
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gnome7 posted:Has anyone ever seen Zak S apologize? I don't think I have ever seen him apologize to anyone, over anything. It's tough to apologize when you're so busy being an edgy artist, game designer, and former porn star, all while rocking a trendy* haircut. *trendy = stupid
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Aug 8, 2014 22:42
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You know what though, a casual action game where you had to constantly monitor a half-dozen different types of social media for certain comments and respond before your E-Respect Meter went too low could be kind of entertaining. Especially if it were an alternate reality game and you actually had to engage with those platforms 
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Aug 8, 2014 22:42
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Bosushi! posted:Trying to understand this issue has been like trying to herd cats because the conversation takes place across a billion different social media sites. It's hard to say that Zak has complete prejudice against all LGBT people when you look at his circle of friends. However, he clearly has no problem saying some hosed up poo poo to people he perceives as enemies and will seldom apologize for it. He also appears to have a really hard time doing any kind of self examination. I think it's less that he has any actual dislike for ladies or LGBT folks in particular so much as he's one of those "criticism is censorship" idiots who stepped it up to the next level. And there are a bunch of people from those groups who like criticisng the hobby so he's got to argue with them to prevent them from transforming RPGs into Gilead or whatever he assumes their agenda is. Bosushi! posted:The most succinct example I found of the Zak S method involved him arguing with someone over the Maxim article his group was featured in. Someone states that the article is overall positive but could be problematic. He demands evidence of its potential harm as if it could be done the same way as presenting a bloody knife to prove someone a murderer. His total unwillingness to engage in an honest conversation leads to one person bowing out from the frustration. Zak then accuses them of fleeing since they have no evidence and claims victory. Arguing with Zak is like arguing with Humpty Dumpty in 'Alice Through The Looking Glass'. He settles on the meaning of key words in the argument that bear no resemblance to how anyone else of earth would use them and then gets really, really mad when this doesn't work out for him.
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Aug 8, 2014 22:42
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Forums Terrorist posted:plut is shinji irl Speaking of Shinjis, make with the AdEva posts  Quarex posted:The best way to defend yourself against untrue accusations of calling for public shaming of people who disagree with you is by calling for public shaming of people who disagree with you. Part of the problem is that there's a natural assumption to paint the victim of harassment in a good light. It took me quite a while to realize that someone can be both a giant shitlord and be the victim of unfair and indefensible treatment at the same time, and that it's entirely reasonable to demand the harassment stop without actually endorsing any of the targeted person's behavior. And that just saying "a pox on all your houses!" is a pretty poor response to the situation.
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Aug 8, 2014 22:44
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gnome7 posted:Has anyone ever seen Zak S apologize? I don't think I have ever seen him apologize to anyone, over anything. If you agree to the terms of my peace treaty including saying I didn't do anything wrong ever and you have to play D&D with me every week I will show you where Zak apologized.
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Aug 8, 2014 23:06
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gnome7 posted:To add to this, he has hounded said person who bowed out for years for an apology, and regularly drags her name through the mud at every opportunity. While I don't doubt the truth of this for a moment, my example is more recent. http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/118227 gnome7 posted:Has anyone ever seen Zak S apologize? I don't think I have ever seen him apologize to anyone, over anything. An apology happens in that thread. He's accused of using a slur and he counters that the accuser is part of a clique out to undermine him. I can't tell if he's actually apologizing for the use of the slur or just for the clique accusation.
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Aug 8, 2014 23:10
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Bosushi! posted:While I don't doubt the truth of this for a moment, my example is more recent. I will take this as evidence that Zak has actually apologized for his behavior, yeah. I mean, he only apologized after he finally confirmed she was both an unrelated third party who wasn't related to the original context but was still part of the group the slur targeted. And he made sure to only apologize after making excuses for why it was okay for him to use the slur in the original context. And even after apologizing, he claimed the original people he was talking to do not deserve an apology and, in fact, have no rights and are never to be taken seriously. This isn't how you do a good apology. It certainly isn't endearing me to him any.
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Aug 8, 2014 23:24
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gnome7 posted:I will take this as evidence that Zak has actually apologized for his behavior, yeah. I mean, he only apologized after he finally confirmed she was both an unrelated third party who wasn't related to the original context but was still part of the group the slur targeted. And he made sure to only apologize after making excuses for why it was okay for him to use the slur in the original context. And even after apologizing, he claimed the original people he was talking to do not deserve an apology and, in fact, have no rights and are never to be taken seriously.
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Aug 8, 2014 23:32
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gnome7 posted:This isn't how you do a good apology. It certainly isn't endearing me to him any. Yeah, it's incredibly half-assed. God help you if you ever accuse him of not apologizing, though. He's going to quote that for eternity.
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Aug 8, 2014 23:33
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Comrade Gorbash posted:Speaking of Shinjis, make with the AdEva posts
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Aug 8, 2014 23:33
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Bosushi! posted:While I don't doubt the truth of this for a moment, my example is more recent.  He really doesn't engage others like an actual person. There's just no give at all, so there's just no point to talking to him. He just refuses to take in new information or consider alternate possibilities, and keeps restating his position over and over with more and more capital letters. I think I'm just going to try really hard to pretend he doesn't exist from now on.
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Aug 8, 2014 23:48
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gnome7 posted:Has anyone ever seen Zak S apologize? I don't think I have ever seen him apologize to anyone, over anything. Zak S takes as axiomatic that 'things Zak S thinks' and 'things which are true' are identical categories. Since he is incapable of being wrong, if you disagree with him you must either be a) "irrational" because you aren't making the correct logical steps from premises to conclusion or b) "lying" because you're seeing the truth but telling everyone you aren't. An apology would indicate that he was wrong about something. Since that can't happen, why would he apologise?
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Aug 8, 2014 23:49
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potatocubed posted:Zak S takes as axiomatic that 'things Zak S thinks' and 'things which are true' are identical categories. Since he is incapable of being wrong, if you disagree with him you must either be a) "irrational" because you aren't making the correct logical steps from premises to conclusion or b) "lying" because you're seeing the truth but telling everyone you aren't. Funnily enough, he will basically admit to this, as he did on the GWJ article.
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Aug 9, 2014 00:08
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Effectronica posted:Funnily enough, he will basically admit to this, as he did on the GWJ article. Who wouldn't admit to being always right? It's nothing to be ashamed of. Heck, it's impressive!
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Aug 9, 2014 00:09
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People claiming the real reason Zak S gets the reactions he gets is because he's just too smart and logical for this poor world is straight-up the funniest thing about this whole mess.
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Aug 9, 2014 00:10
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Saguaro PI posted:People claiming the real reason Zak S gets the reactions he gets is because he's just too smart and logical for this poor world is straight-up the funniest thing about this whole mess. I think that Zak's attempt to defend against being driven out of the hobby by driving other people out of the hobby is funnier in its own way, while simultaneously being horribly disgusting.
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Aug 9, 2014 00:20
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Effectronica posted:I think that Zak's attempt to defend against being driven out of the hobby by driving other people out of the hobby is funnier in its own way, while simultaneously being horribly disgusting. I would rather betray the world than let the world betray me.
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Aug 9, 2014 00:22
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potatocubed posted:Zak S templates as axiomatic that So what you are saying is that third edition is responsible for this whole thing? Thanks, WIZARD$ of finance OF THE CO$T https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD1Jr7PfvSQ Mormon Star Wars fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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Aug 9, 2014 00:38
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Boy am I glad that I have been busy this last week.
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Aug 9, 2014 00:59
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Ettin posted:Boy am I glad that I have been busy this last week. Yeah, apparently this is now the Zak S thread It's kind of surreal
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Aug 9, 2014 01:07
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Darwinism posted:Yeah, apparently this is now the Zak S thread Hail to the king, baby.
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Aug 9, 2014 01:13
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Darwinism posted:Yeah, apparently this is now the Zak S thread Posts on topic X per hour = 1/Y, where Y = the number of boards which will tolerate discussion of X o crap
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Aug 9, 2014 01:23
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Effectronica posted:I think that Zak's attempt to defend against being driven out of the hobby by driving other people out of the hobby is funnier in its own way, while simultaneously being horribly disgusting. Thinking that something is funny and horribly disgusting at the same time is the "Authentic Goon Experience TM".
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Aug 9, 2014 01:44
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Darwinism posted:So wait what does Mandy's hospitalization have to do with anything besides a really obvious pity play? It's actually super, super disgusting that he uses his wife's hospitalization as a means to attack others. It's also very Zak S.
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Aug 9, 2014 02:05
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I wonder what the last time Zak S actually argued the merits of one roleplaying game over another was.
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Aug 9, 2014 02:45
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Darwinism posted:Yeah, apparently this is now the Zak S thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZABMi9RQncs
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Aug 9, 2014 02:47
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I honestly think we should ban discussion of those two from chat threads because a) literally everyone who reads this knows who I mean b) it doesn't lead to anything but handwringing about "oh man I can't believe he said that" when you know from prior evidence that you totally can believe he said that. Leave that poo poo in the industry thread or grogs.txt, let me talk about nice things like Chuubo's in peace. Not every thread has to be about the struggle.
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Aug 9, 2014 02:58
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We have a Chuubo thread and it is under-posted. 
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Aug 9, 2014 03:05
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Swagger Dagger posted:I honestly think we should ban discussion of those two from chat threads because a) literally everyone who reads this knows who I mean b) it doesn't lead to anything but handwringing about "oh man I can't believe he said that" when you know from prior evidence that you totally can believe he said that. Yeah, it's just preaching to the choir at this point. I mean Mikan up there: "It's very disgusting... it's also very Zak S." well poo poo, you don't say. Ettin posted:We have a Chuubo thread and it is under-posted. This would be way better if it were a double Nobilis/Chuubo's thread, and I would post in it.
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Aug 9, 2014 04:07
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Bigup DJ posted:Yeah, it's just preaching to the choir at this point. I mean Mikan up there: "It's very disgusting... it's also very Zak S." well poo poo, you don't say. sort of this, but at the same time people keep asking what the story is on it and it is for the best if awareness of this problem spreads i don't know what the answer is, hearing about this continually is depressing as poo poo but so is the thought of it getting buried
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Aug 9, 2014 04:12
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^^^Then it needs a short explanation when it comes up, and then for people to make an effort to move on.Ettin posted:Boy am I glad that I have been busy this last week.
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Aug 9, 2014 04:24
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Ettin posted:Boy am I glad that I have been busy this last week. how much do you regret your new job already
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Aug 9, 2014 04:25
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Bigup DJ posted:Nobilis ...Speaking of which...
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Aug 9, 2014 04:46
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Ettin posted:We have a Chuubo thread and it is under-posted. How does it play? From the snippets I've heard about it, I think one of the players in my group would be super interested, and the rest would likely enjoy it.
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Aug 9, 2014 05:06
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:...Speaking of which...  i thought no one was interested when I posted asking when people were available and no one replied. i also really hosed up though, and am sorry... is there forgiveness for me in your great heart, TheLovablePlutonis?
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Aug 9, 2014 05:29
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Hey, what're some cool "one-page" RPGs? The only one I'm really familiar with is Lasers & Feelings (And its fantasy reskin, Swords & Scrolls), which is pretty awesome, so I'm idly interested in other potentially cool one-page RPGs. One day I'll get to try playing L&F (nevermind this is what I say about 90% of the RPGs I own/have read). Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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Aug 9, 2014 06:53
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Hey, what're some cool "one-page" RPGs? The only one I'm really familiar with is Lasers & Feelings (And its fantasy reskin, Swords & Scrolls), which is pretty awesome, so I'm idly interested in other potentially cool one-page RPGs. Psst...
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