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Aug 11, 2014 04:44
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Aug 11, 2014 04:45
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I don't know, I do think Stewart needs to take a step back, and consider where to go from here in the event that this isn't as bad on his part as we all believed. I do believe that maybe the guy should consider hanging it up in that department. He's gotten seriously injured in one race last year, and now he's killed someone (directly or indirectly). His love for dirt track racing could be shown in the ways he's already shown. Fielding teams for other drivers and running Eldora. He doesn't truly need to run in events like this any more. If it's something like "The Chili Bowl" or something? Sure I can see that, but aside from that...dude's not putting himself in a good situation. I still get the vibe from Ward that there's a good chance that Stewart was his racing idol growing up. I think that makes this whole situation all the more sad really. One can also say "Well death is a part of racing". True, that doesn't instantly make any type of loss we see within the community any less painful.
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Aug 11, 2014 05:01
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FuzzySkinner posted:I do believe that maybe the guy should consider hanging it up in that department. He's gotten seriously injured in one race last year, and now he's killed someone (directly or indirectly). He directly killed someone. Whether it's his fault is an open question, but he directly killed that kid with his car.
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Aug 11, 2014 05:05
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There's a car before the 45 that came in on an even higher line than the 45 and Stewart and he's also going much faster. Immediately after that car passes, Ward takes about 3 or 4 steps toward the bottom of the race track where the 45 narrowly avoids hitting him (Ward jumps out of the way) before Stewart hits him. I'm sorry but the more I see that video, the more this just seems like dumb person getting too close to moving race car. If this wasn't Tony Stewart, noted hot head, and was instead the guy in the 45 or the first car before that, it's a tiny sad blip on the sports radar. Instead, it's straight up murder.
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Aug 11, 2014 05:09
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ChickenMedium posted:He directly killed someone. Whether it's his fault is an open question, but he directly killed that kid with his car. Directly or Indirectly was about intent I think. Nobody is disputing that the car driven by Tony Stewart ran over and killed Kevin Ward Jr.
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Aug 11, 2014 05:10
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I'd rather wait to see all the available evidence and recounts of the incident before I put any judgement toward who's at fault, but you'd have to say there was a massive error in judgement on the part of both drivers. I also get the feeling that a lot of the passing comments don't understand how these cars operate when driving on a slick surface like mud, and not hurtling themselves rear end out around the corners. If I came around and saw a dude in the middle of the track I'd probably duck right down the inside of the track and gas it to make sure he can't do something stupid in a fit of anger. Kevin inched closer and closer, and the footage is a bit skewed because we can't see Tony out of frame. It was ultimately a fatal decision getting out of the car and not walking away from the track, and safety protocols need to be reviewed. I understand however that you can't really control the drivers from raging. If nothing is taken from this incident then it'll be a tragedy when it happens again. I'm sure there have been cases of incidents like these before in amateur and semi-pro racing, but never received as much attention because it didn't involve a high profile driver. There is probably a change to be had at all levels of event racing.
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Aug 11, 2014 05:12
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Hoodrich posted:The dude who died was a fag and Smoke is cool. arent you the guy that passed out + pissed yourself playing princess maker on twitch stream and your mom dragged you to bed (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 11, 2014 05:14
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a cat youtube posted:arent you the guy that passed out + pissed yourself playing princess maker on twitch stream and your mom dragged you to bed Is that supposed to be some kind of argument or something? Attack his position instead of his taste in video games, please.
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Aug 11, 2014 05:20
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13 pages is a lot to read and  . Did someone bring up the fact that most parents teach their kids not to run into traffic?Because thats pretty relevant to this discussion.
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Aug 11, 2014 05:34
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Genocide Tendency posted:13 pages is a lot to read and You've also been taught that if someone walks in front of your car and you can avoid them you'll probably get burned on the ensuing killing that person. You shouldn't target jaywalkers. In both cases we're ignoring that cars are faster, there was a wreck on the track, and lot more in external factors (pissed off, blind spots, dirt road) that make it a little different than running out into traffic. It's a weird place where it's a balance between this being a sport where people participate and know the risks and two people absolutely acting in ways that endangered one of them. I say that believing Stewart swerved a bit towards him, which could be wrong. The poor guy who died made a horrible judgement call, and a vast majority of the time when people make bad judgement calls, the redundancies usually protect them. It's really sad in this case, but I'm not sure it's not much different than a baseball player crowding the plate and the pitcher going up and in and the ball slipping and hitting him in the head. It makes you upset to enjoy sports.
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Aug 11, 2014 05:43
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I think both parties displayed poor sportsmanship and let their tempers get the better of them in this particular case, presumably because their fathers did not discipline them properly.
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Aug 11, 2014 05:46
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Because its always fun to condemn sportsmen as poor role models the kid was just acting out what he sees in NASCAR who don't really object to this idiocy. Also getting run over by one of the most high profile proponents of getting out of your car and yelling at people gives it a little bit more.
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Aug 11, 2014 06:58
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Tony's reputation of being a dick isn't helping him much with this.
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Aug 11, 2014 07:17
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I don't know if you need to look for reasons a 20 year did something horrifically dumb, it's not exactly uncommon.
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Aug 11, 2014 07:57
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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CBJSprague24 posted:SASCAR/Indy/other racing series goons: In all the fist/helmet/bird-throwing/waving incidents on-track in recent years, can anybody remember a driver walking out into the racing line (or at least out from the protection of safety vehicles) like Ward did? Smoke (Martinsville '99, Bristol '12; the latter was on pit road) and Robby Gordon (NHIS '05, the "Michael Waltrip is a POS" incident) are the only ones who spring to mind right now. I don't know if Kurt Busch at Indy in 2002 counts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpesYL9iNRs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkAKN1I-784&t=2600s Fans on the race track and no murder committed. Hang the murderer. nsaP fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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leica posted:Tony's reputation of being a dick isn't helping him much with this. Yea that dude almost got ran over twice before stewart drove by. If the guy before stewart hit him instead this thread wouldn't be happening the way it is.
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Aug 11, 2014 08:59
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RonMexicosPitbull posted:Yea that dude almost got ran over twice before stewart drove by. If the guy before stewart hit him instead this thread wouldn't be happening the way it is. wow, you don't say that fewer people would care if it was some no-name sprint car driver instead of a national celebrity
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Aug 11, 2014 10:04
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Can't believe this murderer is walking around free. Sign of the hyperliberal soft on crime society we live in with people wringing their hands and finding excuses for these sick bastards.
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Aug 11, 2014 10:23
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For some reason this goof decided to do something similar during the Olympic marathon in Athens and I think he actually tackled the guy who was in the lead.
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Aug 11, 2014 10:34
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darkwolf220 posted:Saw this on the news today and thought it sucked. Got an email from my dad this afternoon and found out Ward was a local kid from one town over and is racing buddies with my cousin that races late model and it sucks even more. I am really torn by this. I am sure Stewart did not intend to hit the kid, but it does look like he at least contributed to making it worse. Yep, I've said it before and I'll say it again. "You do NOT gently caress with a live race track". Both people involved in this forgot that.
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Aug 11, 2014 11:45
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Byolante posted:Because its always fun to condemn sportsmen as poor role models the kid was just acting out what he sees in NASCAR who don't really object to this idiocy. Also getting run over by one of the most high profile proponents of getting out of your car and yelling at people gives it a little bit more. Most dirt oval racers and fans have a strong dislike of NASCAR
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Aug 11, 2014 11:50
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VikingSkull posted:Most fans have a strong dislike of NASCAR Fixed. This is messed up but I have a hard time telling intent to hit that guy from anything I have seen. I think you lynch mobbers are worst then Bill France. I am calling tragic accident on this one and nothing will change my mind no matter how damning.
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Aug 11, 2014 14:31
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Why does Tony's temper even enter into it? He couldn't have known that he was involved in Wards wreck, Ward was behind him and to the right, which there was no way Tony could have seen him. Unless there was another altercation between the two at some point earlier that no one has said anything about, Stewart has no reason to even know who Ward was, much less be upset enough to try and scare him or sling mud or whatever. Ward walked down into the racing line, in a corner, at night, in a fully black ensemble, on a dirt track, full of sprint cars. Its not that shocking, to me at least, that someone couldn't see him and he was hit. And I agree with whoever said above that if this was any other racer at the track this would be" just a tragic accident", but since it was Tony Stewart, noted hothead, the narrative jumped right to "he must've finally lost it and killed someone".
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Aug 11, 2014 14:50
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My initial reaction was that Tony purposely tried to sling mud at the guy, and it went horribly wrong. I thought both guys made some dumb decision. After hearing from a couple of guys who have been involved with sprint racing, I'm 90% convinced that Tony Stewart is not at fault whatsoever and Ward is a moron.
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Auron posted:My initial reaction was that Tony purposely tried to sling mud at the guy, and it went horribly wrong. I thought both guys made some dumb decision. Interesting, because theres a few guys involved in sprint racing in this very thread who have said the opposite thing.
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Aug 11, 2014 15:31
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A friend of the victim is claiming Ward and Stewart had a long-simmering rivalry. Sounds like puffery to me though; why would Stewart care about some 20-year-old amateur?
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Aug 11, 2014 15:39
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Stewart is a hell of a driver, while this Ward kid seems like he was poor. Doesn't seem like a good rivalry tbh
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Aug 11, 2014 15:48
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PostNouveau posted:A friend of the victim is claiming Ward and Stewart had a long-simmering rivalry. Sounds like puffery to me though; why would Stewart care about some 20-year-old amateur? This sounds like complete emotion from this friend. My two big things here are still that despite his issues, I cannot see Tony Stewart ever purposely hitting a human being with a race car, and that I don't think it's ever correct to assume that he "should have been able to see" the guy because I doubt many of the people claiming this have ever been in a situation where they're taking a turn in a sprint car with a human that close to their line on the track. I think it's irresponsible to claim that what you see in a typical turn is in any way indicative of this situation. The only person whose opinion I'd even consider valuing in terms of track visibility is whoever was driving that No. 45 car. I don't think anyone else's opinion is comparable.
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I know very little about sprint cars or racing in general but don't those cars have brutal blind spots as well from the wings on the end of the spoilers?
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Aug 11, 2014 15:51
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DJExile posted:I know very little about sprint cars or racing in general but don't those cars have brutal blind spots as well from the wings on the end of the spoilers? Yes.
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serious gaylord posted:Interesting, because theres a few guys involved in sprint racing in this very thread who have said the opposite thing. And there are guys in this thread who have said the SAME thing as well. There's no absolute here; but I feel Tony is innocent. DJExile posted:I know very little about sprint cars or racing in general but don't those cars have brutal blind spots as well from the wings on the end of the spoilers? From what I've heard, yes, nearly the entire right side of the car is a blindspot.
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Aug 11, 2014 16:01
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Are cautions meaningful in this sport?
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Aug 11, 2014 16:05
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The cars also require throttle to turn (especially at speed) and have no transmission or clutch to eliminate drivetrain loss. Also check out the sweet visibility you get on the right side (hood scoop channeling air upwards, the right side wing): 
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Solkanar512 posted:Are cautions meaningful in this sport? Race back to them.
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BEARS IN THE BARN posted:The cars also require throttle to turn (especially at speed) No they don't.
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Throttle induces oversteer in high hp / low weight cars with racing tires. Should have said 'requires throttle to be sideways'.
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