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20 | 6.45% |
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| Elves |
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Also just a reminder for anyone looking to keep supporting good charities like this, unless I missed something, Amazon Smile is a good way to toss a small donation to a charity (the Trevor Project and multiple other LGBT/feminist/minority/etc ones are valid to them) every time you buy off Amazon (I think?). It's a nice way to keep the support going even when not telling a horrible person to gently caress himself. yeah, but keep in mind that only applies to purchases you make from smile.amazon.com, not regular amazon.com.
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Yeah, I like Hubris as well. What about someone choosing a Violent fighting style for their overlord but the players pick "Your attacks cannot pierce _____"?
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Aug 12, 2014 00:47
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You don't have to pierce something to hurt it. Blunt Force Trauma. 
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Aug 12, 2014 00:51
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Zak and Pundit are literally crazy people. It doesn't take a mental health professional to recognize narcissistic personality disorder. They're barely a step up from the crazy homeless guy ranting about the ice-cream truck's that control his mind. Here is how their minds work: For whatever reason they believe that they are the smartest, most creative, clever, important person in the room. At the same time, they're both insignificant parts of a minor niche hobby. This causes a cognitive dissonance, if they're so great why aren't they living the high life, why doesn't everyone agree with them. To rectify this conflict between reality and their mental self image they create imaginary foes who are secretly plotting against them (the swines, or the many faces of Mikan) and holding them back from reaching their full potential. Anytime anything conflicts with this delusion, they react with anger and lash out at it's source while at the same time further rationalizing their delusions. Anytime you engage them directly you are just feeding their delusions, you are giving (to them) truth to the enemy plot that they so desperately need to maintain their self image. A better way to deal with them is to make sure everyone else knows that they're crazy people deserving of only ridicule. This is the thing they fear the most, for everyone to realize that they're not important and that there is no reason that they should be important. Continue to do good things despite them, continue to point out that they're assholes, but also point out that they're crazy assholes, but engaging them directly just strengthens their delusions, and the delusions of those that follow them.
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Aug 12, 2014 00:53
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Galaga Galaxian posted:You don't have to pierce something to hurt it. Blunt Force Trauma. Yea that's when you go literal like all good myths. "Ok we can't pierce him, we'll loving crush him with a rock then!"
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Aug 12, 2014 00:54
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If it is an actual personality disorder, and not, like, just generic jerkishness, shouldn't we find a way to get them help? 
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Aug 12, 2014 00:54
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Tulpa posted:Yeah, I like Hubris as well. I don't see a contradiction. The Overlord's attacks can rip through darn well anything, except for this one specific thing. Might make things a bit weak if the players pick, say, "steel", but I can see e.g. an elven tyrant feared among the fair folk, who all also wouldn't want anything to do with iron
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Aug 12, 2014 00:55
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Davin Valkri posted:If it is an actual personality disorder, and not, like, just generic jerkishness, shouldn't we find a way to get them help? Thankfully speculation on an internet forum doesn't qualify as an actual diagnosis.
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Aug 12, 2014 00:55
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Bucnasti posted:Zak and Pundit are literally crazy people. It doesn't take a mental health professional to recognize narcissistic personality disorder. They're barely a step up from the crazy homeless guy ranting about the ice-cream truck's that control his mind. I'd suggest avoiding armchair psychological analysis and diagnosis over the internet.
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Aug 12, 2014 00:56
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Davin Valkri posted:If it is an actual personality disorder, and not, like, just generic jerkishness, shouldn't we find a way to get them help? Some dude online is not an actual shrink, many people are just pieces of poo poo without a mental disorder causing it, odds are fair Zak is one of those.
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Aug 12, 2014 00:57
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Yeah, fair point. I didn't like the idea of someone just picking something ridiculous like 'their attacks cannot pierce flesh' when they have a violent style that can ostensibly tear through anything. Still, even something like that can be made interesting.
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Aug 12, 2014 00:57
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If I'm a big bad Not Sauron and get told I can't stab Jimmy the Ranger, that's when I buy a big gently caress you hammer and tell an Orc to hold him still for me.
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Aug 12, 2014 00:59
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Aug 12, 2014 01:00
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Insanely excited by what I'm hearing about Fellowship here, by the way. I'll be keeping an eye on the Dungeon World thread and probably doing another read-through of the best fantasy trilogy ever.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:00
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Aug 12, 2014 01:01
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Tulpa posted:Yeah, fair point. I didn't like the idea of someone just picking something ridiculous like 'their attacks cannot pierce flesh' when they have a violent style that can ostensibly tear through anything. Still, even something like that can be made interesting. I think that violates the unspoken "don't be a dope" rule of any RPG. Although maybe it should be spoken? Is there some sort of discussion on how to put a villain together with the rules? That would be cool.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:02
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"Being a dumb rear end in a top hat" doesn't have to have its root cause in mental illness as plenty of people can attest.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:03
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Evil Sagan posted:- An non-anonymous troll Everyone should read Zak S on trolls at least once in their life. quote:once you have decided that you will spend any part of your life trolling on the internet, you forfeit all rights as a human.If you should get hit by a car--no-one should help you. If you vote on anything--your vote should be thrown away.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:04
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Tulul posted:I think that violates the unspoken "don't be a dope" rule of any RPG. Although maybe it should be spoken? Is there some sort of discussion on how to put a villain together with the rules? That would be cool. "Cannot pierce Flesh" would be a bad choice for the players to make, I think. Sure, he won't slice and dice anybody, but the Overlord could still toss you across a room, break every bone in your body, set you on fire, all sorts of nasty stuff. He just won't leave any scars, and that could be even scarier. The idea is to pick something like "silver" or "diamonds" or "mahogany wood", something specific that the players can use to stop them. But creativity is strongly encouraged, so I don't see much need to specify that. If the Overlord's attacks cannot pierce Rainbows, I know someone will do something insane with that at some point.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:07
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Effectronica posted:Everyone should read Zak S on trolls at least once in their life. Haha, did he literally say this
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Aug 12, 2014 01:07
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Asymmetrikon posted:Haha, did he literally say this Yes.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:09
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Guilty Spork posted:Seriously, his response to people saying that he's awful for certain things is basically to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's awful in completely different ways, which is better because Excuse me, I'm Mike Mearls, and I think you'll find that there's no CONCLUSIVE evidence that Zak S has done anything bad. Asymmetrikon posted:Haha, did he literally say this Yeah, when he and The Gaming Den were feuding Bucnasti posted:Zak and Pundit are literally crazy people. Pundit is just a bland fascist who appeals to other authoritarians devoted to "tradition." He's not crazy, he has no sort of disability, he's just a nerdy fascist.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:11
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Effectronica posted:Everyone should read Zak S on trolls at least once in their life. Reminder that the context for that was some people on The Gaming Den saying that the social system he cooked up in 10 minutes - whereby Paladins could buy castles for barrels of apples - was silly. Therefore, if they get hit by a car, let them die.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:14
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Tulul posted:I think that violates the unspoken "don't be a dope" rule of any RPG. Although maybe it should be spoken? Is there some sort of discussion on how to put a villain together with the rules? That would be cool. Well, the thing with any system (and PbtA games in particular) is that they're very much cooperative things. If you approach them from the angle of, "But what if the Players/GM takes this antagonistic approach," they're gonna start to fall apart, for sure, but a lot of games sort of make the assumption that you're all there to play a fun game, not to play rules lawyer. And, as people have said, if your group is into the whole semantics side of, "NO MAN CAN HARM ME," "BUT I AM NOT A MAN," thing, sure, play that game and have fun!
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Aug 12, 2014 01:14
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Cycloneman posted:Why bother? He clearly doesn't need to. Anybody who would stop being a fan of him for his thinly veiled calls for harassment has probably already done so. Everybody else either doesn't give enough of a poo poo or won't change their views in response to evidence. Why would he change? 
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Aug 12, 2014 01:17
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Tatum Girlparts posted:If I'm a big bad Not Sauron and get told I can't stab Jimmy the Ranger, that's when I buy a big gently caress you hammer and tell an Orc to hold him still for me. Isn't this sort of what Morgoth did to Fingolfin?
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Aug 12, 2014 01:22
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With the unfortunate (and unrelated) events of the last hour, I decided to give my part to a more general suicide prevention charity. Since he put the eligibility cap at 1k twitter followers, I gave $10 for each thousand I have at the moment. I guess I've bought the license to call Zak S names, but instead I'll stick to the adjectives "wrong", "petulant", and "just plain awful".
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Aug 12, 2014 01:23
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Zereth posted:If those pictures are accurate he has stopped veiling the calls. Zak S, having failed to achieve sympathy and adulation in the RPG market, expands his horizons to becoming the world's nerdiest mafia don.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:25
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Bucnasti posted:Zak and Pundit are literally crazy people. It doesn't take a mental health professional to recognize narcissistic personality disorder. They're barely a step up from the crazy homeless guy ranting about the ice-cream truck's that control his mind. Here is how their minds work: Cognitive dissonance, while very real and probably what's going on here, isn't a mental health disorder; humans just act that way. People are wacky, yo.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:25
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Asymmetrikon posted:Haha, did he literally say this Yes
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Aug 12, 2014 01:33
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Zereth posted:If those pictures are accurate he has stopped veiling the calls. Why is he even targeting that guy? He's just a guy who loves coding. Zak S pretty much lives the life of pretty much every straight male porn star, overshadowed by the female talent and only around for a limited time. He just works to make sure this happens to him in every field and industry.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:34
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Darwinism posted:Well, the thing with any system (and PbtA games in particular) is that they're very much cooperative things. If you approach them from the angle of, "But what if the Players/GM takes this antagonistic approach," they're gonna start to fall apart, for sure, but a lot of games sort of make the assumption that you're all there to play a fun game, not to play rules lawyer. And, as people have said, if your group is into the whole semantics side of, "NO MAN CAN HARM ME," "BUT I AM NOT A MAN," thing, sure, play that game and have fun! Sure, I think that's what I was trying to get at, but much better spoken. I was just slightly worried by the potential for abuse, but gnome7 makes it sound cool. CHARITY COUNT: $1838.93. If this number were a year, the Pastry War would have just been getting started.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:34
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Tollymain posted:Isn't this sort of what Morgoth did to Fingolfin? You're my dawg, Tolly
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Aug 12, 2014 01:35
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"He led Mexican forces against the French and in a skirmish with the rear guard of the French, Santa Anna was wounded in the leg by French grapeshot. His leg was amputated, and buried with full military honors." Okay.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:36
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Mystic Mongol posted:Cognitive dissonance, while very real and probably what's going on here, isn't a mental health disorder; humans just act that way. People are wacky, yo. I'm certainly not saying this is an excuse for their actions. Being crazy isn't license to be an rear end in a top hat, there are plenty of crazy people who channel themselves in positive ways. I'm saying that this is how their hosed up brains work, and you need to be aware of it if you're going to deal with them. Anything you do that disagrees with their perception of the world is going to result in them twisting it to further justify their persecution complexes. They're not going to go away, and you're never going to convince them that they're wrong, your goal should be to take away their influence.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:40
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Tollymain posted:"He led Mexican forces against the French and in a skirmish with the rear guard of the French, Santa Anna was wounded in the leg by French grapeshot. His leg was amputated, and buried with full military honors." That was a thing that was done back then. They kind of did the same for Stonewall Jackson's arm at Chancellorsville but I can't find out if it was a normal funeral or a military one. 
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Aug 12, 2014 01:43
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Bucnasti posted:Being crazy isn't license to be an rear end in a top hat
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Aug 12, 2014 01:45
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Tulul posted:From everything I've seen, there's a surprisingly massive fence sitting faction. People who don't know enough, people who naturally take the "truth is in the middle" viewpoint, all sorts. I've seen people who I thought were totally reasonable going "well maybe you're both right?" during this whole debacle. Being able to whip out pics of Zak just being an unremittent rear end in a top hat doesn't help his case any. Zereth posted:If those pictures are accurate he has stopped veiling the calls.
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Aug 12, 2014 01:48
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Cycloneman posted:No, no, he's just asking them to tweet. I mean, surely there's nothing wrong with talking to someone on twitter? Anything else anyone might be inspired to do is uncalled for and he has no control or influence whatsoever over those events.
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Aug 12, 2014 02:14
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No, it's totally hyperbole. Now, when other people use big words against him, THAT's harassment.
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