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| Elminster |
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20 | 6.45% |
| Elmara |
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20 | 6.45% |
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99 | 31.94% |
| El Kabong |
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153 | 49.35% |
| Elves |
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5 | 1.61% |
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ManMythLegend posted:You. Me. An unlicensed Kickstarter. This is how all my slashfics start
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ManMythLegend posted:You. Me. An unlicensed Kickstarter. Hell yes, and set a stretch goal of having convention book iteration X read by stephen hawking.
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Error 404 posted:Hell yes, and set a stretch goal of having convention book iteration X read by stephen hawking. 
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Aug 17, 2014 04:11
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A Catastrophe posted:So.
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Aug 17, 2014 04:31
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I think it's pretty  that my hobby of choice can regularly produce the same kind of scenario I see in comedies where the point is that the characters are evil idiots.Exhausted sigh, he said.
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Aug 17, 2014 04:39
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Plague of Hats posted:I think it's pretty That's not evil at all.
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Aug 17, 2014 04:41
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Ahem. Christopher Lee. reading literally anything.
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Aug 17, 2014 04:49
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A Catastrophe posted:So. Not racist, just shockingly tone-deaf. They may be racist, too! But the evidence is not in from a single picture.
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Aug 17, 2014 04:54
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drowface isnt even new. there were pics and people making fun of those guys around forever.
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Aug 17, 2014 04:56
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neongrey posted:Ahem. F.A.T.A.L.
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Aug 17, 2014 04:56
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neongrey posted:Ahem. Fiasco
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Aug 17, 2014 05:00
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Mystic Mongol posted:Not racist, just shockingly tone-deaf. IMO it is at the very least racially insensitive. It's not just the blackface makeup but you combine that with Drow themselves actually being pretty racist. I'm willing not to ascribe specific malice to the people dressing up because white nerds are amazingly ignorant about issues concerning any group they don't personally belong to but it was in astonishingly bad taste for Wizards to tweet about it like it is a good thing to do.
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Aug 17, 2014 05:09
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The whole WotC D&D operation is basically a bunch of white male nerds in an office, so it's not entirely surprising they did that.
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Aug 17, 2014 05:25
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It's like the book burning. Ok, you can say you're just cosplaying as the Grand Wizard of the Ancient South in his conical face-covering white hat of intellect but that still is what it clearly is.
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Aug 17, 2014 05:29
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A Catastrophe posted:So. If I were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt I'd say it was just a sad mixup. I am not willing to give nerds the benefit of the doubt.
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Aug 17, 2014 05:36
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 Note: To get the treasure at the end of this module, you have to reenact this image.
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Aug 17, 2014 05:40
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jigokuman posted:
Spanish holy week procession?
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Aug 17, 2014 05:45
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"[b posted:A Catastrophe[/b]" post="433623510"] quote:A Catastrophe
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Aug 17, 2014 05:57
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A Catastrophe posted:It's like the book burning. Ok, you can say you're just cosplaying as the Grand Wizard of the Ancient South in his conical face-covering white hat of intellect but that still is what it clearly is. jigokuman posted:
Nerds ruin everything.
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A Catastrophe posted:So. I wonder if it would be better if they used like, dark purple or blue facepaint instead, or if that's just a bandage solution. They'd probably just whine that people would think they were night elves and clearly that cannot stand. EDIT: Or better yet, just wear the costume without any face paint. Like if you wear a corset with silver spider poo poo on it and elf ears at Gen Con, people are gonna get that you're a drow. Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Aug 17, 2014 |
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Aug 17, 2014 08:12
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Error 404 posted:Fiasco Fiasco read by John Goodman
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Aug 17, 2014 08:31
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Marvel Heroic Roleplaying read by Robert Downey Jr.
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Aug 17, 2014 08:33
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gnome7 posted:Marvel Heroic Roleplaying read by Robert Downey Jr. Or Chris Pratt!
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Aug 17, 2014 08:33
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Dungeon Crawl Classics read by J. D. Cronise
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Aug 17, 2014 08:37
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TheSpookyDanger posted:Or Chris Pratt! Nonono. Vin Diesel. As Groot.
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Aug 17, 2014 08:47
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TheSpookyDanger posted:Or Chris Pratt! Read by the entire cast of Avengers bickering amongst one another.
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Aug 17, 2014 08:47
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Charles Dance reading the worst of RPGs would be the best thing  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvZVpbJ9DzY
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Aug 17, 2014 14:14
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moths posted:I mentioned Zak S in a directed tweet, which he then personally replied to. A day or two later I get this email from Twitter: I just got this as well. Twice. The hell?
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Aug 17, 2014 14:18
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K Prime posted:I just got this as well. Twice. The hell? They tried to guess the password to and thus steal your account
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Aug 17, 2014 14:38
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Captain Foo posted:They tried to guess the password to and thus steal your account my twitter is a bunch of retweets and one tweet complaining about iggy. I don't see why anyone would care.
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Aug 17, 2014 14:40
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K Prime posted:my twitter is a bunch of retweets and one tweet complaining about iggy. I don't see why anyone would care. They shouldn't but they're not rational people in the fandoms of those two bigots, they think any dissent is a direct attack which must be answered in ever escalating kind.
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A Catastrophe posted:So. My first exposure to D&D was through an old AD&D 1E Monster Manual devoid of context. I got it from a used book fair in elementary school and didn't know there was an actual game attached to all the weird numbers and bestiary information. (I still have it around somewhere) The AD&D Monster Manual's entry for Drow didn't have stats or illustration. It just had a minor blurb under Elf that described them as "living deep underground," having "more powerful magic," and are "mysterious." It was neat and evocative, but I was more excited about landsharks, mind flayers, and whatever the hell a catoblepas was. So when my parents bought me the 3.5 books for christmas one year in middle school, I looked online to see what else there was and saw an issue of Dragon titled "Secrets of the Drow!" advertised on the side. My first reaction was "oh neat, they're finally detailing what the Drow are like after so long!" My second reaction was "Why do they look like they're in blackface?" I don't like Drowface and I don't like what Drow became over the past 20 years.
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Aug 17, 2014 15:18
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K Prime posted:my twitter is a bunch of retweets and one tweet complaining about iggy. I don't see why anyone would care. I'm just saying what it looks like happened.
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Spiderfist Island posted:My first exposure to D&D was through an old AD&D 1E Monster Manual devoid of context. I got it from a used book fair in elementary school and didn't know there was an actual game attached to all the weird numbers and bestiary information. (I still have it around somewhere) Drow are really the least creative interpretation of svartalfar possible. They're elves, but dark-skinned and living underground and evil. Cool. When you've managed to produce something actively worse than even a surface understanding of Tolkien, well...
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Are eberron drow racist because iirc they are ex-slave jungle people...
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Aug 17, 2014 15:26
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Are eberron drow racist because iirc they are ex-slave jungle people...
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Aug 17, 2014 15:56
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For Japanese RPGs, like Double Cross or Ryuutama, how about Norio Wakamoto reading? Make sure it has lots of Rs!
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Aug 17, 2014 16:27
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I'm not sure there's anyway to explain why underground Drow have ebony skin and not paler skin than regular Elves without resorting to curses, divine marks, and poo poo like that and I'm pretty sure "having dark skin is a reflection of the evil in your heart" is p much the racistest. It's basically conceptually identical to the Bible reading white people used to justify slavery.
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Aug 17, 2014 16:32
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The documentary, The Dungeon Masters, among its many cringing portrayals of GenCon attendees, does focus on some people who do the Drow Blackface. The fact they're from Mississippi further entrenches the  nature of it all. Theres no intended malice, just a whole lot of ignorance and inability to think outside of themselves.
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The thing with drow, like a lot of D&D-isms, is that they're something Gygax & co. carelessly tossed into the game that has since become Sacred Writ, so that rather than Gygax's free-flowing fantasy gumbo, it's a bunch of cliches that have been run into the ground for 40 years. Its cliches are unbelievably ripe for mocking, subverting, or just plain improving. With drow the bar is so low that basically anything that doesn't get nerds to cosplay in blackface would be a step up, but a couple of people have come up with some versions of drow that seem really neat. Quinn Murphy has been working on an alternate take on the drow where they're Lolth's sleeper agents in elven society, and thus necessarily look just like ordinary elves. A friend of mine meanwhile is working on a take on the drow where they're basically an elven version of Japanese gyaru, a subculture that is rejecting typical elf gender roles and asserting themselves in new ways.
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