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Adventure Pigeon
Nov 8, 2005

I am a master storyteller.

Slanderer posted:

reviewers actually liked it because it defied the expectation of being spooky, when the only spooky elements in the game were a quiet and empty house, and whatever else you imagined was going to happen in it. it doesn't have that impact unless you were knowledgeable about the lead up and previews of the game (w/o and of the spoilers), which reviewers were

"oh, i thought this was going to be about spooky ghosts but it was actually about the spookiness of my own mind!!!!"

yeah it was cool

the problem is that people generally buy a game because they hope it will meet their expectations rather than defy them, which isn't the case with reviewers. i bought the dark descent because i wanted to be frightened in a game - i wasn't hoping to discover the final gender at the bottom of the castle.

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Minorkos
Feb 20, 2010

Cucked Home

fuck the ROW
Aug 29, 2008

by zen death robot
the wario gender

FrostedButts
Dec 30, 2011

horriblePencilist posted:

If I took the story of a good book and put it in a twinge game with little interactivity is it a good game because the game is defined by the story?

The story has got to involve you and make it you feel like you are in control of it.

It's like movies that are all special effects and no story. You can get away with it, but the visuals have to be extremely engaging.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Adventure Pigeon posted:

the problem is that people generally buy a game because they hope it will meet their expectations rather than defy them, which isn't the case with reviewers. i bought the dark descent because i wanted to be frightened in a game - i wasn't hoping to discover the final gender at the bottom of the castle.

lol the creators never claimed it was about ghosts or poo poo, people just assumed all that. they were just like "it's a game where you get home from college and no one is home" and people jumped to WOAH THIS IS A GAME ABOUT GHOSTS!!! but no it was actually a game about finding out who u really are and also about kissing ladies

Squashing Machine
Jul 5, 2005

I mean boning, the wild mambo, the hunka chunka

horriblePencilist posted:

If I took the story of a good book and put it in a twinge game with little interactivity is it a good game because the game is defined by the story?

i'm going to get thousands of patreon dollars with my short story ripoff games

a The Lottery game where you throw rocks at the winner lady
a Bullet in the Brain game where you make fun of a bank robber until he shoots you
an Everything That Rises Must Converge game where you scowl at your mother until she has a stroke

Slanderer
May 6, 2007
honestly there should probably be 1000 games about kissing ladies. not anime games tho, since that would be illegal.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

E1M1 posted:

i'm going to get thousands of patreon dollars with my short story ripoff games

a The Lottery game where you throw rocks at the winner lady
a Bullet in the Brain game where you make fun of a bank robber until he shoots you
an Everything That Rises Must Converge game where you scowl at your mother until she has a stroke

Atlas Shrugged, which starts off as a train simulator and then ends with a lovely 4 hour cutscene

THE PENETRATOR
Jul 27, 2014

by Lowtax
gone home is bad, and not good

FrostedButts
Dec 30, 2011

Slanderer posted:

honestly there should probably be 1000 games about kissing ladies. not anime games tho, since that would be illegal.

Such games would reinforce the idea that men can kiss women in any setting.

The only legal moment for men to kiss women is after they have a signed and notarized document of expressed consent for said action from the woman.

Adventure Pigeon
Nov 8, 2005

I am a master storyteller.

Slanderer posted:

lol the creators never claimed it was about ghosts or poo poo, people just assumed all that. they were just like "it's a game where you get home from college and no one is home" and people jumped to WOAH THIS IS A GAME ABOUT GHOSTS!!! but no it was actually a game about finding out who u really are and also about kissing ladies

i thought some reviewers were doing that? either way i didn't pay much attention to it..

Nebelwerfer
Jul 25, 2008

He carried our avenging steel over the Rhine,
He drank the emperor's toast from the Danube.

Lobster Harmonica posted:

I was gonna say I'd love an online experience where I hunt a whale with a bunch of nerds but then I realized where I am

:drat:

Trash Trick
Apr 17, 2014

I cant believe the social media comments im reading..

Adventure Pigeon
Nov 8, 2005

I am a master storyteller.

Slanderer posted:

Atlas Shrugged, which starts off as a train simulator and then ends with a lovely 4 hour cutscene

Atlas Shrugged Mod for Train Simulator 2014 where you drive around a train that gradually breaks down while various Ayn Rand speeches are shrieked at you. it will be an excellent addition to the other half billion train sim mods already on steam

Madcosby
Mar 4, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

FrostedButts posted:

Such games would reinforce the idea that men can kiss women in any setting.

The only legal moment for men to kiss women is after they have a signed and notarized document of expressed consent for said action from the woman.

Or if you complete their personal quest

DOMDOM
Apr 28, 2007

Fun Shoe
ehhhh: http://kotaku.com/the-problem-with-the-casual-cruelty-against-women-in-vi-1626659439

She's not entirely wrong, just mostly.

Sephiroth_IRA
Mar 31, 2010
Tim Shafer is the guy that made Brutal Legend. Which is the game that made me realize I should never buy a game based on how good the demo was.

It wasn't a bad game but that demo was really misleading.

edit:


I can't access Kotaku. Could I get a quote or tldr?

But Rocks Hurt Head
Jun 30, 2003

by Hand Knit
Pillbug

a cop posted:

I cant believe the social media comments im reading..

Shadoer
Aug 31, 2011


Zoe Quinn is one of many women targeted by the Gamergate harassment campaign.

Support a feminist today!


FrostedButts posted:

Such games would reinforce the idea that men can kiss women in any setting.

The only legal moment for men to kiss women is after they have a signed and notarized document of expressed consent for said action from the woman.

Jane: Oh John you are the most amazing person I've ever met in my life.

John: And you Jane, are just so drat hot!

Jane: But before we kiss, let's get the bar's lawyers to negotiate our night together

[The year is 2030, all relationships begin with a contract negotiated by lawyers. Now bars provide lawyers on site for on the spot negotiations]

Lawyer Bob: My client here is fully prepared to engage in this relationship.

Lawyer Sally: My client however wants to make this clear that it's a one night deal currently, she only wants the option to extend it if she so chooses.

Lawyer Bob: My client is ok with this provided he's extended the same privilege, however we would like to inform you at this point that my client is Jewish and we understand that you are Christian and different religions is listed as one of your deal breakers. What we are willing to offer is if you do decide to continue this relationship, my client is prepared to attend church with you at least twice and your client attends the Synagogue at least twice. If one of you have a religious epiphany in that time, so be it.

Lawyer Sally: That is acceptable to my client.

Lawyer Bob: Alright then let us sign these papers and witness them... now you kids may kids and begin your relationship, which expires in 48 hours unless it's renewed starting now.

XK
Jul 9, 2001

Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

Slanderer posted:

lol the creators never claimed it was about ghosts or poo poo, people just assumed all that. they were just like "it's a game where you get home from college and no one is home" and people jumped to WOAH THIS IS A GAME ABOUT GHOSTS!!! but no it was actually a game about finding out who u really are and also about kissing ladies

Let's take away the creepy and unsettling atmosphere, coming home to your empty childhood home after being away for months, the dark and stormy night with lightning flashes illuminating a blacked out house, and the implication that family was expected to be at home but "where are they?". You get a bright sunny day, birds chirping, you know your parents are at work, you dig around in a few drawers, you find a mixtape of 90's music, your sister ran off with her lesbian lover.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

FrostedButts posted:

Such games would reinforce the idea that men can kiss women in any setting.

The only legal moment for men to kiss women is after they have a signed and notarized document of expressed consent for said action from the woman.

incorrect, because you see due to the toxic misogynist rape culture environment that women are raised in, it is literally impossible for any woman to give meaningful consent, furthermore

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Fatkraken posted:

If you want to pretend you're doing real grown up criticism, do away with numerical scores entirely.

Just like RPS, truly the last bastion of critical writing about games.

lovely articles are lovely whether they have a score attached to them or not.

Hometown Slime Queen
Oct 26, 2004

the GOAT
Remember when Princess Peach made a cake for Mario

What an ableist piece of poo poo

DOMDOM
Apr 28, 2007

Fun Shoe

Sephiroth_IRA posted:

I can't access Kotaku. Could I get a quote or tldr?

It's just a promo for the sarkesian video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i_RPr9DwMA&t=279s

Like more of her stuff the premise holds water but she completely fucks it with terrible examples. Almost as if she doesn't play the games but just combs through footage to try to support her opinions

jalopybrown
Oct 11, 2012

Sephiroth_IRA posted:

I can't access Kotaku. Could I get a quote or tldr?

putting women in vidya games jsut to be murder as an indication that a character is bad is lazy and cliche, also bad because it's a real thing that happens.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





Shadoer posted:

Jane: Oh John you are the most amazing person I've ever met in my life.

John: And you Jane, are just so drat hot!

Jane: But before we kiss, let's get the bar's lawyers to negotiate our night together

[The year is 2030, all relationships begin with a contract negotiated by lawyers. Now bars provide lawyers on site for on the spot negotiations]

Lawyer Bob: My client here is fully prepared to engage in this relationship.

Lawyer Sally: My client however wants to make this clear that it's a one night deal currently, she only wants the option to extend it if she so chooses.

Lawyer Bob: My client is ok with this provided he's extended the same privilege, however we would like to inform you at this point that my client is Jewish and we understand that you are Christian and different religions is listed as one of your deal breakers. What we are willing to offer is if you do decide to continue this relationship, my client is prepared to attend church with you at least twice and your client attends the Synagogue at least twice. If one of you have a religious epiphany in that time, so be it.

Lawyer Sally: That is acceptable to my client.

Lawyer Bob: Alright then let us sign these papers and witness them... now you kids may kids and begin your relationship, which expires in 48 hours unless it's renewed starting now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNds34UmU0Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4568PIRnk

FAROOQ
Aug 20, 2014

by Smythe

Remember than Sarkeesian is financially invested in keeping sexism in media

Shadoer
Aug 31, 2011


Zoe Quinn is one of many women targeted by the Gamergate harassment campaign.

Support a feminist today!



I am both amused by these videos and slightly disturbed that the idea is already floating in the world of public discourse.

horriblePencilist
Oct 18, 2012

It's a Dirt Devil!
Get it?

Minorkos posted:

Cucked Home

A man returns to his home only to find out his sister ran away with 5 game journalists.

Sephiroth_IRA
Mar 31, 2010
I have a hard time disliking moviebob. He's like a big lonely reclusive nerdy kid living out his ultimate fantasy. Which is talking about video games with himself and having dbz fights with himself.

Although it's probably because I avoid his twitter feed.

Biggie Shorty
Oct 8, 2008

E1M1 posted:

my posting follows the same arc as gone home, it's very boring and then you realize i'm gay, please steam greenlight me

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





Shadoer posted:

I am both amused by these videos and slightly disturbed that the idea is already floating in the world of public discourse.

theyre old too

big duck equals goose
Nov 7, 2006

by XyloJW
Maybe instead of countless debate via YouTube and Twitter with two factions spitting dumb words nonstop , women should make fun/good games starring strong heroines if they don't exist.

Or make depression quest. Either or.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

dMastri posted:

It's just a promo for the sarkesian video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i_RPr9DwMA&t=279s

Like more of her stuff the premise holds water but she completely fucks it with terrible examples. Almost as if she doesn't play the games but just combs through footage to try to support her opinions

The only good example was God of War 2. Because what the gently caress was that poo poo? Is there some context to it, or is it just to show that Kratos is a brooding madman?

Subpar Superhero
Nov 27, 2013

the hunger games

XK posted:

Let's take away the creepy and unsettling atmosphere, coming home to your empty childhood home after being away for months, the dark and stormy night with lightning flashes illuminating a blacked out house, and the implication that family was expected to be at home but "where are they?". You get a bright sunny day, birds chirping, you know your parents are at work, you dig around in a few drawers, you find a mixtape of 90's music, your sister ran off with her lesbian lover.

yeah if you change all of the details about something it becomes a different thing. weird, huh?

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.





Pretty soon everyone is going to be so terrified to offend, that all characters in games will be portrayed by shapeless gray blobs. Of course then people will ask "why not colored blobs hmmmmm???"



macnbc posted:

I think I might be the only non-blogger who thinks Kotaku's decision on Patreon is total bullshit.

Should writers be barred from reporting on stuff they've contributed to? Totally.
If they do mention someone they've supported, should they disclose that? Absolutely.

But should a person's company be able to tell them what they can or can't spend their wages on in their free time? Hell no. It's a job they have, not an indentured servitude contract.

Lightanchor posted:

:agreed: I don't see how giving your money away without expecting a ROI counts as a financial tie

I don't think you two understand what a conflict of interest means. This isn't somehow limited to gaming "journalism". There are disallowed actions/investments/etc due to conflict of interest in pretty much every industry and at most companies as well.

Denim Dude
Feb 21, 2006

i didn't buy shit. i don't know what the fuck is going on.
People were talking about the cards against humanity dude earlier and there is a new gawker article today.

http://valleywag.gawker.com/cards-against-humanitys-accused-rapist-banned-from-tech-1627416634/+laceydonohue

i mean, obviously if he raped someone he deserves everything bad that happens to him but his accuser made a blog post and then disappeared forever. he will never be a convicted rapist, he will never be an acquitted rapist. for the rest of his life he will just be the accused rapist.

not sure how i feel about gawkers coverage considering kotaku thinks unsubstantiated personal poo poo shouldn't be shared

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
Tim Schafer's last game is literally about patriarchy. And it's also good.


That's what you get when a man makes a game.


Lol.

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum

Vag Assault Weapon posted:

In 9th grade some girl in my school sent me a poo poo load of 'professional' nudes she'd had taken by some guy in his 30's over ICQ out of nowhere, no 'hey here's a bunch of nudes of me' or anything, they were actually kinda gross so I just deleted them and forgot about it until one day after lunch my group of friends are walking out of the cafeteria and we walk past a wall that's just littered with printed out pictures of her nudes taped to the wall, just rows and rows all down the wall. I went back into the school and found her sitting at the table and told her about them and she walked out and saw them and that's when the school cop walked up too and she told him that I loving did it and the only reason I didn't get arrested is because I was with a dozen of my friends who started yelling that I was with them the whole time and we found them together.

You could say my life was almost ruined by a trashy skank sending pedo porn to so many guys she can't keep track of who could've taped a poo poo load of them to a school wall, but I know the truth, it was feminism's fault.

The school cop? What the gently caress is this? Where are there school cops? Jesus christ it sounds like you went to school in prison land or something.

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Sephiroth_IRA
Mar 31, 2010
They were called "Senior Resource Officers" at my school but really he was just a police officer that worked at and had his own office at the school. They sprung up around the country after Columbine

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