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Rutkowski posted:Or you buy a phone in another city for 30 bucks with 20 bucks worth of calls on it, pay in cash, and then call. No trace to your identity and since it's a burner you just dispose of it afterwards. You know who else thought that way? Stringer Bell. And look how he wound up.
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regulargonzalez posted:You know who else thought that way? Stringer Bell. And look how he wound up. Okay now, I have to say that was a fuckup only because the guy Stringer delegated to that task was grossly negligent. The concept is sound, reasonable, and demonstrably effective. crazysim fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Aug 30, 2014 |
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regulargonzalez posted:You know who else thought that way? Stringer Bell. And look how he wound up.
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Rutkowski posted:Or you buy a phone in another city for 30 bucks with 20 bucks worth of calls on it, pay in cash, and then call. No trace to your identity and since it's a burner you just dispose of it afterwards.
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Jackard posted:This might be the case but I doubt the sort that find this bullshit the hilarious will always be so cautious.
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Rutkowski posted:Haha that's true. Some CSGOer looking for kicks and 4chan props probably won't do more than five minutes of research. The handful of recent Swattings has been done by (or claimed to have been done by) a single dude from myg0t, he seems to have figured out a method of doing these things.
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Odobenidae posted:The handful of recent Swattings has been done by (or claimed to have been done by) a single dude from myg0t, he seems to have figured out a method of doing these things. The majority of the phone system works more or less entirely on the honor system, and if you know what you're doing and have access to a PRI circuit, you can end up doing all kinds of really really shady poo poo with it. You can modify the routing info so that it's very hard to trace the connection between companies, change the caller ID and E911 info, and generally gently caress up the underpinnings of a lot of services. It's entirely traceable, but considering that a lot of those phone systems literally run on a Windows XP machine inside the PBX box, they're hilariously exploitable if they're visible from the internet. The E911 rewrite is key here. You spoof a caller ID and E911 number for the area, then call up 911, panicked and freaking out, then "Oh god, he's got a gun, oh jesus oh jesu *BANG BANG BANGBANGBAG stomp stomp stomp CLICK*. Police take a REAL dim view of calls like that, and will generally just mobilize everything to whatever the E911 address that was presented in the call. And they'll end up looking for anyone even remotely suspicious and shoot them dead, because they are under-trained and expecting a Hollywood style firefight with a lunatic. Edit: That said, SWATing is possibly the most dangerous and morally reprehensible thing you can do to someone. Especially when that reason is 'I got mad at him in videogames!'. Methylethylaldehyde fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Aug 31, 2014 |
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Sending the police to murder people's a pretty good grief. 
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Oh I'm not in any way defending the swatting shitsticks, I'm just saying that it's very easy to be relatively untraceable for cheap.
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Ringo Star Get posted:Russian authorities would probably pat the guy on the back and give him a bottle of vodka. Or not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Koch_(hacker) El Estrago Bonito fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Aug 31, 2014 |
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:The majority of the phone system works more or less entirely on the honor system, and if you know what you're doing and have access to a PRI circuit, you can end up doing all kinds of really really shady poo poo with it. You can modify the routing info so that it's very hard to trace the connection between companies, change the caller ID and E911 info, and generally gently caress up the underpinnings of a lot of services. It's entirely traceable, but considering that a lot of those phone systems literally run on a Windows XP machine inside the PBX box, they're hilariously exploitable if they're visible from the internet. You don't even need direct access to a PRI, many VoIP providers will simply pass the information you're sending right through. The consumer level providers are getting better about sanity checking things, but the corporate level guys often don't because businesses have plenty of legitimate reasons to send different caller ID and E911 information. Given a phone number and an address it would take me about 45 seconds to make the phone on my desk appear to a 911 center like it was anyone else's in the country. I work for a VoIP provider so I legitimately need that ability, but it's far more widely available than most would hope. Another thing to consider is that E911 data is a lot less important than you'd think when saying the kinds of things the caller says in a swatting incident. Supposedly one of the guys who got caught was using the free outbound calling feature in GMail. He got caught due to having also logged in to his personal account IIRC. But yea, in the end the phone system is basically like email: A system designed back when the honor system actually worked because there were so few players that those who hosed around could easily be found. Once that expanded the trust fell apart. I'm not really sure what could be done to make the situation better at this point. You don't want the police ignoring a potential real call, but at the same time there are apparently a lot of psychopaths who'd love to see a streamer killed live on the internet. Maybe better training, like if you receive a call that all kinds of poo poo is going down but arrive to find people playing video games you maybe realize you've been had at that point and calm the gently caress down.
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Also phone companies are extremely backwards and adverse to change. The best part of the Mitnick trials was when the phone company people were all "There is no way he could have that information about our systems and no way it would still work today even if he did somehow have it!" and then it became clear that not only did Mitnick have the info but they hadn't changed any of it in the almost a decade he had been on the run after using it.
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The guy who swatted the Creature got arrested and is facing 25 years to life for doing it http://nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism/
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IShallRiseAgain posted:The guy who swatted the Creature got arrested and is facing 25 years to life for doing it http://nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism/ 
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Tekopo posted:National report is a joke newsite Oh, its hard to keep track these days. The article isn't really funny though.
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It was also posted on the previous page. Though it is the shittiest kind of satire you can do. Who is the demographic? It isn't people "in on the joke." Because the stories they do aren't even funny. And if it's people who see it on facebook, they will read it, form an opinion and then be informed it's a lovely satire site. It's either stupid poo poo that no one cares about or it's something to trick people into thinking something they want to happen is happening. There is another article about Breaking Bad filming a sixth season. Who is that for? People who know what the website is won't read it, because there is zero comedy and nothing of value in the article. People who get tricked by it will get annoyed for a second and then say "Oh, I guess it's a satire site guys." Then they are part of the group that's "in on the joke." Then what? Eventually everyone knows what the National Register is and there's no one left to trick. I suppose it could be a form of griefing. Unlike a good grief, it only works once and it's not even a good one. Eventually it will just be an annoying website that your grandmother posts on facebook because it said Dancing with the Stars is being canceled. At least with The Onion you get the double whammy of the articles being hilarious plus the added hilarity of idiots raging about it on facebook.
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Clickbait.
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:The majority of the phone system works more or less entirely on the honor system, and if you know what you're doing and have access to a PRI circuit, you can end up doing all kinds of really really shady poo poo with it. You can modify the routing info so that it's very hard to trace the connection between companies, change the caller ID and E911 info, and generally gently caress up the underpinnings of a lot of services. It's entirely traceable, but considering that a lot of those phone systems literally run on a Windows XP machine inside the PBX box, they're hilariously exploitable if they're visible from the internet. I interpret the prevailing attitude in internet griefing culture as an "anything goes" mentality. It's one that legitimizes going to almost any length to harass or torment another person so long as it's done digitally over the internet using the means of a keyboard and mouse. Maybe one justification in the minds of some of those calling in the local murder squad to storm in on another in the privacy of their own home is that "they were asking for it" by having the audacity to use a webcam and sacrifice their anonymity by streaming themselves out to the web. I admit the video was funny, seeing those bravo squadron machismo meatheads slowly realize they were played (yet again!!) was great. And frankly anyone who streams games is seeking attention so that poor guy at least has that goal accomplished. On the other hand, it wouldn't have been funny if the brother was hurt and he easily could have been. Eventually someone with headphones on just wont hear the kill squad until they're coming through the door and they'll probably react in a way that will get them shot. The grim reality for streamers is that they make themselves a target for abuse and they have to take measures to protect themselves or this will just keep happening.
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This is why you see a lot of requests from fans to do a "tour" of the streamer's office or home in hopes of finding out where they live. The key tactic here is to never show anything outside the room you stream in or have any mail, packages, or even anything that might hint at your actual name.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=4avCYpqKTn8 I don't know why listening to kids get angry is so funny but it never gets old.
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Odobenidae posted:Where they're calling from is irrelevant because they use Caller ID spoofing so it looks like it's local. I've been directly involved in multiple Swatting incidents and they aren't even doing that. I'm not going to go into great detail as to how they do it but the one guy we caught used VPN and some other things. We managed to catch him because he decided to post a video of him doing it on youtube. Oh yeah and he was 13.
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Annexed posted:I've been directly involved in multiple Swatting incidents and they aren't even doing that. I'm not going to go into great detail as to how they do it but the one guy we caught used VPN and some other things. We managed to catch him because he decided to post a video of him doing it on youtube. it's stuff like that that makes me think "I might have been a little poo poo at 13, but thank god I never got my parents into THAT level of poo poo."
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Thumbtacks posted:http://youtube.com/watch?v=4avCYpqKTn8 Seems like the guy did them a favor by adding some excitement to the server. The guy wasn't even ruining anything because they were just running around a blank map.
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Public Vent Servers face the wrath of the Earl of Lemongrab https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL0WQ9rqui0
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Phuzzy posted:Public Vent Servers face the wrath of the Earl of Lemongrab Lemongrab was made for this.
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Phuzzy posted:Public Vent Servers face the wrath of the Earl of Lemongrab Aw I was just gonna post this. Hope you enjoy it! Abe Lincoln is the next one!
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Odobenidae posted:The handful of recent Swattings has been done by (or claimed to have been done by) a single dude from myg0t, he seems to have figured out a method of doing these things. incorrect g0t_hats fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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g0t_hats posted:incorrect nobody cares what you have to say
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The Fattest PI posted:nobody cares what you have to say Seems like someone from myg0t is likely to know whether it's true or not. Either way it's cool that you're really upset at someone in a thread about griefing though.
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Eruonen posted:Seems like someone from myg0t is likely to know whether it's true or not. Either way it's cool that you're really upset at someone in a thread about griefing though. No really, nobody should listen to got_hats ever. His title is not the least bit an exaggeration and he almost single-handedly did away with this thread forever. He's a consummate unfunny retard.
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Chomp8645 posted:No really, nobody should listen to got_hats ever. His title is not the least bit an exaggeration and he almost single-handedly did away with this thread forever. He's a consummate unfunny retard. Yeah, you tell that guy!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UZcqZ9d_VI Old but I love this one. Chomp8645 posted:No really, nobody should listen to got_hats ever. His title is not the least bit an exaggeration and he almost single-handedly did away with this thread forever. He's a consummate unfunny retard. 
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Chomp8645 posted:No really, nobody should listen to got_hats ever. His title is not the least bit an exaggeration and he almost single-handedly did away with this thread forever. He's a consummate unfunny retard. You showed him and definitely don't look like a "consummate unfunny retard" yourself. No one cares about poo poo-stirring over "this goon did a thing!!!".
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maybe you should all shut the fuckk up and post griefs !!! ugh! you're ruining this thread
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wow i dont see any content coming out of you, shitlord *posts the first youtube result after searching for "epic griefs"* e: the youtube video is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3W7CXQsP0
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Since you guys are all buttholes and I don't grief or know anyone who does anymore I'm just going to repost my favorites from the past and bathe in griefing nostalgia. CJ posted:City of Heroes has only had 2 major griefing incidents that i can think of. I miss the hell out of City of Heroes. There weren't many griefs, but there also hasn't been any other MMO I've seen where you could drag one raid boss into a fight with another raid boss to wipe the raid. When this went down it was Kazzak in Stormwind levels of awesome and suddenly until they fixed it you couldn't get a Hami raid going to save your life. Also, being able to chain confuse status with friendly players through multiple zones to bomb costume contests in Atlas owned. :Edit:  :Edit2: Also EVE NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Eve. Eve has and always will be a magnet for drama, grief, and morons that take themselves far too seriously. NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Little bit more. TheSpiritFox fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Sep 2, 2014 |
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The Fattest PI posted:nobody cares what you have to say Chomp8645 posted:No really, nobody should listen to got_hats ever. His title is not the least bit an exaggeration and he almost single-handedly did away with this thread forever. He's a consummate unfunny retard. I was there when he got swatted, I know who did it. I was simply stating that it wasn't me or anyone else from myg0t. Chill. He used Skype, he was connected to a VPN and he lives in another country. Even though most of his personal info is out there and has been posted he doesn't seem worried. g0t_hats fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Sep 2, 2014 |
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