Musket posted:

look guys, its really thta easy to make a lovely game.

]

Dont even need twine.

Clitch posted:

This woman just cannot stop shoving stuff in her holes for publicity.

Zombies' Downfall posted:

I'm pretty sure SA made that list because the people making boycott lists are stupid idiots with a tenuous grasp on reality and not because of a thread about giantbomb

Zombies' Downfall posted:

I'm pretty sure SA made that list because the people making boycott lists are stupid idiots with a tenuous grasp on reality and not because of a thread about giantbomb

Erata posted:

Is the next step to keep fanning the flames to tell video games journalism to fight against their advertisers because renegging on their Gamer+Gate campaign is another form of corruption?

Musket posted:

but do you identify as a gaymer or just a human being?

Musket posted:

Whatever happened to treating people nice and having manners. Why did life get so complicated for these folks? Is it honestly extreme political correctness paired with mental illness? Or did they just not learn manners and thus have to invent all this special snowflaky poo poo up?

This is exactly why attachment/helicopter parenting doesnt work. These people have never had to cope with things being different.

Clitch posted:

No. It was probably the gamers.txt thread.

Musket posted:

look guys, its really thta easy to make a lovely game.

]

Dont even need twine.

XMNN posted:

i genuinely dont really care one way or the other about anita sarkeesian but i picked up p much all the information in this video in the thirty second skim of the wikipedia article i did just before watching it

ArbitraryC posted:

Yup, that pretty much sums up all her videos. People accuse her of just regurgitating tvtrops and adding nothing to the dialogue because that's exactly what she does. Everyone knows these tropes exist, that's why there's literally a website that compiles them. Webcomics and humor targeted towards "gamers" has made fun of all these tropes on a regular basis since bikini chainmail became a thing in the first place.

Making videos about stuff that everyone already knows is a great strategy though because it preaches to the choir (don't really have to provide much substance when you're pandering) and because later when people criticize you for legitimate or unrelated reasons you can just claim that the only reason no one likes you is because "even feminism 101 is too much for those people".

One hundred and sixty thousand dollars from a bunch of rubes.

Musket posted:

look guys, its really thta easy to make a lovely game.

]

Dont even need twine.

big duck equals goose posted:

Radical posted:

didnt she need 2 people to help her make her computer CYOA? whos actually asking her how to make a vgame lol

Radical posted:

didnt she need 2 people to help her make her computer CYOA? whos actually asking her how to make a vgame lol

The Brown Menace posted:

like lol. friendly reminder that currently, the evil sexist racist 4chan crew includes a shitload of women and other minorities who have raised 40 thousand US dollars for a feminist charity, while the socially just games journalism crew consist mostly of white guys and a few white women who did this to that feminist charity:

XMNN posted:

i genuinely dont really care one way or the other about anita sarkeesian but i picked up p much all the information in this video in the thirty second skim of the wikipedia article i did just before watching it

Tei posted:

The point of making games is releasing them, not how you manage. If you could make a game by using macros in excel, thats fine. Programming is usually required to make games, but with interactive fiction is possible that some people will be able to make games just using the tools at they disposal, maybe getting help in packaging by having somebody make the installer.

TheKingofSprings posted:

The gently caress are these

big duck equals goose posted:

Retards.

Prawned posted:

e: but for real is there a place I can donate so that attractive women get involved in GAMING instead of these loving uggos

ArbitraryC posted:

Yup, that pretty much sums up all her videos. People accuse her of just regurgitating tvtrops and adding nothing to the dialogue because that's exactly what she does. Everyone knows these tropes exist, that's why there's literally a website that compiles them. Webcomics and humor targeted towards "gamers" has made fun of all these tropes on a regular basis since bikini chainmail became a thing in the first place.

Making videos about stuff that everyone already knows is a great strategy though because it preaches to the choir (don't really have to provide much substance when you're pandering) and because later when people criticize you for legitimate or unrelated reasons you can just claim that the only reason no one likes you is because "even feminism 101 is too much for those people".

One hundred and sixty thousand dollars from a bunch of rubes.

big duck equals goose posted:

The #GamerGate tweet flood is really funny 90% of the time.

Clitch posted:

No. It was probably the gamers.txt thread.

big duck equals goose posted:

The #GamerGate tweet flood is really funny 90% of the time.

Lumpy the Cook posted:

Alright, it is time for an expose on the different connections between various groups in this GamerGate scandal.

The majority of this SJW stuff, at its core, is coming from what is known as "Weird Twitter." (inb4 >KYM http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/weird-twitter) Weird Twitter was initially formed when users of the FYAD subforum on the Something Awful forums decided that the forums were slowly dying (which is true) and took to Twitter to increase their internet presence and be able to interact with more people (largely to harass them). They had created such a hostile environment to newcomers in FYAD that essentially no new blood trickled in, and they literally had to force new people to post there through moderator bullshit, and even then the sole purpose of that was not to get new blood, but for the insular clique who have known each other for more than a decade now, to torment that person. So they needed greener pastures, which they found on Twitter, where they were joined by refugees from Laissez Faire, a FYAD-style subforum which at the end of its lifespan was filled with anime avatar hardline Marxists (think /pol/ but even more extreme, but on the left, and extremely ban-happy. It ultimately fell apart and was resurrected as various offsite forums time and again because they kept falling apart due to drama and users harassing each other).

Anyway this insular group of a few dozen or so people quickly attracted a large following on Twitter by making genuinely amusing Tweets (which had mostly nothing to do with SJW poo poo), and among that following were many indie creators and related SJW types, mostly because those Tweets had SJW-friendly language (the most glaring examples of this language are infantile-sounding insults like "garbagemen" or "piss baby").

However, besides making amusing Tweets, they had another purpose: Harassing people for their own amusement. The former LF parts of Weird Twitter and their largely SJW indie dev follower (and similar people, you get the picture) crowd merely provided SJW issues as a heuristic to find targets to single out and harass. If this in-group had accumulated a following among a different demographic (which is however a rather unlikely scenario, given the initial LF element among them) they would have looked for people to harass based on whatever that demographic valued, rather than SJW issues. It's important to understand that the SJW issues they supposedly care about are merely meant to raise a Twitter mob outside of their small circle. On FYAD itself, they have no issues with throwing around racist and sexist slurs like they're going out of style. They just know how to keep that poo poo off Twitter, since the average FYAD post would give a true SJW a heart attack.

And make no mistake, these people have absolutely no issues with harassment up to and including death threats either. FYAD even managed to make a depressed, possibly autistic man kill himself due to their harassment, a fact that if brought up rather than denying, they will gloat and laugh about. Many of these people were active in Helldump, another Something Awful subforum which existed for the sole purpose of doxxing SA users and digging up as much embarrassing information on them as possible, which went as far as users posting nude pictures of an underaged girl, as well as making fun of users with physical disabilities.

One of the superstars of that subforum was also involved with the attempt at bullying a 10 year-old (who they also doxxed and threatened with death). I say attempt because the 10 year-old shrugged it off like a champ. The guy, btw, should be somewhere in his mid-to-late 30s. This whole episode is well-known, and 4chan has torn the parties involved a new one over it.

Zoe Quinn, by her own admission in mid-August (I believe she tweeted it on August 12th or 15th, it should still be there if she hasn't deleted it), is still an active SA forums user and has been since 2002. It is safe to assume that she is part of this in-group which is at the center of this Twitter shitstorm.

How do I know all this? Simple, I used to be part of it. I wasn't part of the FYAD in-group but one of the people who joined later on Twitter (although I had been posting and lurking on the SA forums for years beforehand, I simply didn't interact with FYAD). The 10 year-old harassment episode opened my eyes, and I used what I know to put 2 and 2 together, and here you are reading the results.

So what does this have to do with the larger SJW community?

Simple: This isn't about gamers, gaming or feminism. The SJW poo poo is simply a smoke-screen which an insular group of people who have known each other for over a decade use to get their truly massive amount of SJW Twitter followers who are not part of that in-group, to join in on harassment, which they get off on. I almost feel bad for legit SJWs who participate in this, they are merely useful idiots. If you are an SJW reading this: You have been tricked, rused, bamboozled. The same people who point you to targets which to attack are the very bullies you proclaim to loathe.

Anyway, how does this tie into games journalism?

When this whole thing broke loose, it got huge overnight, despite constant censorship attempts and fraudulent DMCA takedowns across the internet. Gaming journalists, both directly involved with Zoe and indirectly involved by participating in similarly seedy actions which clearly breach the ethics of journalism needed a way to make this go away or bury the larger issue, and fast. All most of them could do on their end was write articles, but that wouldn't have gotten the needed reaction fast enough.

Luckily, they had connections among this in-group (such as Zoe Quinn possibly being a part of it, as well as other indie devs and related people who follow people from the in-group and are followed back by them) which had, by now, years of experience in raising Twitter lynch mobs and who had the required number of followers among the SJW crowd. Thus, they mobilized them to turn what is a journalistic issue at heart into an SJW issue. And this they gladly did, because it meant getting to harass people.

cis white male posted:

did we win yet

Lumpy the Cook posted:

ArbitraryC posted:

Everyone knows these tropes exist, that's why there's literally a website that compiles them.

CrazyLittle posted:

Try to keep up: