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Moral_Hazard
Aug 21, 2012

Rich Kid of Insurancegram
I just wish one could play as the Borg. Throw up the party ball and shout in zone, "Resistance to party is futile".

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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




MoraleHazard posted:

I just wish one could play as the Borg. Throw up the party ball and shout in zone, "Resistance to party is futile".

With the Borg Cooperative coming I wouldn't be surprised if they become a C-store race.

Conskill
May 7, 2007

I got an 'F' in Geometry.

MikeJF posted:

With the Borg Cooperative coming I wouldn't be surprised if they become a C-store race.

The lifers would scream endlessly about losing exclusivity over their perk of playing liberated Borg.

Not that it shouldn't happen, just that the rivers would overflow their banks from the tears if it does.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Conskill posted:

The lifers would scream endlessly about losing exclusivity over their perk of playing liberated Borg.

Not that it shouldn't happen, just that the rivers would overflow their banks from the tears if it does.

Oh, so that's how people were playing as liberated borg. I was wondering how people were doing that.

What the game really needs is playable androids or holograms. In a game, when given the choice to be a robot, I am never not a robot.

the Pixies fukken SUCKED
Jul 16, 2003

Figure 2 in a series of 3
The ability to play as a hologram would be hilarious in ground STFs when the group was getting mauled by the monsters-of-the-week.

"Later shitlords!" *deactivates myself*

Mogomra
Nov 5, 2005

simply having a wonderful time
It always kills me when I think about how The Doctor got his personal holo-emitter from none other than Ed loving Begley Jr.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
In addition to playable Holograms, the game really needs an Abraham Lincoln costume option so I can play as space Lincoln. And have a ship that is just Abe Lincoln sitting on his Lincoln throne flying through space.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Melchior posted:

The ability to play as a hologram would be hilarious in ground STFs when the group was getting mauled by the monsters-of-the-week.

"Later shitlords!" *deactivates myself*

Computer, replace the image of Captain Melchior with a V-Rex.

Oh hey since we're doing Voyager there was that psycho hologram that nearly killed Torres by reaching into her chest and grabbing her heart to stop it beating I HEAR SPECIAL RACIALLLLLL SKIIIIILLLLL :sparkles:

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Sep 3, 2014

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Melchior posted:

The ability to play as a hologram would be hilarious in ground STFs when the group was getting mauled by the monsters-of-the-week.

"Later shitlords!" *deactivates myself*

There IS a 'Photonic Lifeform' trait. At the moment it exists only on a Bridge Officer. Several resistances and immunities(Including to injuries, which means they will probably never actually give it out to players), a malus to Tetryon damage, 20% stronger shields, -20% healing taken.

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Trait:_Photonic_Lifeform

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Sep 3, 2014

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer

Gammatron 64 posted:

In addition to playable Holograms, the game really needs an Abraham Lincoln costume option so I can play as space Lincoln. And have a ship that is just Abe Lincoln sitting on his Lincoln throne flying through space.

Holy poo poo, yes.

I would call mine the USS GAY BAR.

Ibanez Murderface
Mar 7, 2005

#!/bin/bash

Acer Pilot posted:

Ok, I logged in to ESD and some guy was talking about how people who take vaccines are dumb.

Some good quotes:


http://pastebin.com/GdyHBMdX

I had to leave because... dumb. I'm really going to believe the scientific beliefs of a guy who can't even spell.

Ah yes, Smainstream Science, the excellent subset of Smetaphysics...

Over the years, the number of people on the internet who type with their faces has gone up at least 300% [citation needed]

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Bieeardo posted:

Holy poo poo, yes.

I would call mine the USS GAY BAR.

YOU!

I WANNA TAKE YOU TO A GAY BAR

I WANNA TAKE YOU TO A GAY BAR

GAY BAR GAY BAR GAY BAR

LET'S START A WAR

START A NUCLEAR WAR

AT THE GAY BAR GAY BAR GAY BAR

Tumblr of scotch
Mar 13, 2006

Please, don't be my neighbor.

Bloodly posted:

There IS a 'Photonic Lifeform' trait. At the moment it exists only on a Bridge Officer. Several resistances and immunities(Including to injuries, which means they will probably never actually give it out to players), a malus to Tetryon damage, 20% stronger shields, -20% healing taken.

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Trait:_Photonic_Lifeform
I'm sure they could rework the "no injuries" thing to be "injuries by another name." Call them "mobile emitter damage" or something.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Flagrant Abuse posted:

I'm sure they could rework the "no injuries" thing to be "injuries by another name." Call them "mobile emitter damage" or something.

Your ship now takes damage instead of your ground guy.

Atrayonis
Jul 6, 2008

Godspeed, brave canary
So I played Borg Disconnected on Advanced and.. hahaha. Spheres have 980k hp, Vila Bioships 1.2mil and the Borg Diamond has 6.1mil. It's an epic clusterfuck of a stf, the bastard child of Hive and Azure Nebula Rescue.

The mission is entirely timer based and you are "racing" to collect points.
Four distinct phases:

0) Get greeted by a liberated Sphere with 7 of 9 on board.


1) You arrive in the mega-Unimatrix near several glowing bits. As we all know, glowy bits are important.


From all over the map, liberated Borg probes enter and are compelled to camp on the green bits, being reassimilated. Click on them to stop them from doing so and shoot the Borg that try to stop you. If you fail to do so, of course the newly assimilated probes attack you too.

2) Species 8472 arrives! Do as you did in #1 (free liberated Borgs, kill assimilated Borgs), but also shoot Bioships and close rifts!



3) A loving Voth Cityship arrives! Do as you did in #2 (free liberated Borgs, kill assimilated Borgs, kill bioships, close rifts), but also shoot Voth ships and destroy those Voth-killing torpedos (also you can only destroy them by ramming them). Thankfully, they are both slow, big, red, and also have an additional marker so you know exactly what stuff is resistant to antimatter and assorted energy weapons but gets stopped by good old steel and machismo.




4) Dreadnought showdown! A Borg Diamond, Voth Dreadnought and 8472 Dreadnought duke it out! Kill them all!




And what do you get for that?



..9 Delta Marks. gently caress.

In summary: ß

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

Bloodly posted:

There IS a 'Photonic Lifeform' trait. At the moment it exists only on a Bridge Officer. Several resistances and immunities(Including to injuries, which means they will probably never actually give it out to players), a malus to Tetryon damage, 20% stronger shields, -20% healing taken.

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Trait:_Photonic_Lifeform

And yet they're still affected by environmental hazards.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Atrayonis posted:

So I played Borg Disconnected on Advanced and.. hahaha. Spheres have 980k hp, Vila Bioships 1.2mil and the Borg Diamond has 6.1mil.
Hey, the Voth dreadnought only has 5.5 million! :suicide: I don't think the idea of it is too bad, though at the moment it's basically impossible to actually complete objectives and earn marks yeah.

We need to get a normal going just to see how that's scaled. Right now it's really obvious that Advanced is aimed for 60's (since everyone's scaled up) but also that current gear is basically useless for it too.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
They'll never make liberated borg a zen store purchase because the people legit buy the lifetimer pack just for that and the lifetimer pack still sells.

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

Asimo posted:

Hey, the Voth dreadnought only has 5.5 million! :suicide: I don't think the idea of it is too bad, though at the moment it's basically impossible to actually complete objectives and earn marks yeah.

We need to get a normal going just to see how that's scaled. Right now it's really obvious that Advanced is aimed for 60's (since everyone's scaled up) but also that current gear is basically useless for it too.
So, do pissbeams and screechy phasers scale up to level 14, or are they now officially useless?

Mondian
Apr 24, 2007

I thought that was pretty much the only reason why Galor prices skyrocketed up to jhas levels.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


g0del posted:

So, do pissbeams and screechy phasers scale up to level 14, or are they now officially useless?
Not sure, I'm still only level 50 (and won't be grinding on tribble until there's more actual content in) so won't see a difference either way until a level up.

Pioneer42
Jun 8, 2010

g0del posted:

So, do pissbeams and screechy phasers scale up to level 14, or are they now officially useless?

I read somewhere (maybe a tooltip, or the sto wiki), a long time ago (and this could be completely inaccurate or no longer true today), but it was my impression that most of the "mark infinity" items scaled to Mk X and stopped. I think I remember reading this in regards to some lobi items, and I'm not sure if all mark "infinity" items are created equal so maybe Spirals still scale.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

Atrayonis posted:

So I played Borg Disconnected on Advanced and.. hahaha. Spheres have 980k hp, Vila Bioships 1.2mil and the Borg Diamond has 6.1mil. It's an epic clusterfuck of a stf, the bastard child of Hive and Azure Nebula Rescue.

The mission is entirely timer based and you are "racing" to collect points.
Four distinct phases:

That actually sounds pretty cool if it wasn't for Cyptic's attempt at "balance".

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I read a dev post on the forums and their explanation for the massive HP is that players have been bypassing a lot of enemy abilities simply by killing them super fast with AoE attacks; their idea is that by forcing players to concentrate their fire on individual threatening enemies instead, enemy abilities will be able to come more into play than they do now.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


:ughh:

It's one thing to have high-HP enemies and all, but the whole point of stuff like Probes is that they come in large numbers and die relatively quickly. Also, the best way to show off your grindy new enemy scaling isn't really in a mission with time limits when everyone's ten levels and two gear tiers below the expected.

Oh yeah, some Reddit comments from CaptJamJamz (Cryptic's ship designer) on the T6 designs.

quote:

You will be able to use faction-appropriate (veteran included) matierials on Intel ships. The Intel material (which is nearly identical, other than color between the factions) is just the default.
The same goes for window/escape pod options.

quote:

There will be an option to fill in the saucer [of the Scryer] (though it's not a force field, instead simply more plating).

quote:

The Intelligence ships (all 5 of them) actually have a fairly matte hull material. Lighting information is diffused widely across the surface, rather than focused. Similalrly, high levels of reflectivity is reserved for things like various glowy bits, as well as glass-like overlays on top of visible sensor arrays.
(...)
All intel ships will have some minor variants, some more than others. Example: The Eclipse Intel Cruiser will have a saucer variant that dims the front glowing tip to be more along the lines of the rest of the hull, as well as armors up the visible sensors on the top. We'll disclose more information as time goes on.

Asimo fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Sep 3, 2014

Hunter Noventa
Apr 21, 2010

All those new fed ships remind me of that crazy transforming armor fromt he last ep of Voyager, but I haven't seen that particular ep in years so...

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I can make omni beams now, so if you want one mail the poo poo to T'Troika@-Troika-.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Atrayonis posted:

So I played Borg Disconnected on Advanced and.. hahaha. Spheres have 980k hp, Vila Bioships 1.2mil and the Borg Diamond has 6.1mil. It's an epic clusterfuck of a stf, the bastard child of Hive and Azure Nebula Rescue.

In summary: ß

This sounds like a bad foundry mission. "And then...and then...TRIPLE DREADNOUGHT SHOWDOWN"

Morglon
Jan 13, 2010

Safe and sound, detached from reality.
Just like your posting.

Berke Negri posted:

This sounds like a bad foundry mission. "And then...and then...TRIPLE DREADNOUGHT SHOWDOWN"

Cryptic writing and plotting has always been on the level of bad fanfic so this isn't really surprising in the least.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

-Troika- posted:

I read a dev post on the forums and their explanation for the massive HP is that players have been bypassing a lot of enemy abilities simply by killing them super fast with AoE attacks; their idea is that by forcing players to concentrate their fire on individual threatening enemies instead, enemy abilities will be able to come more into play than they do now.

That's a direct result of many ships not being able to slot as much as they'd want, so they go with AOE because you'll need that more and is in technically limited supply, and damage because killing faster always works.

When you think about it, a lot of officer slots are basically 'locked in' to certain things. Tactical ideally must have Tactical Team and a AOE blast. Then attack patterns if there's room. Engineering wants 2-4 Power to Xs to keep that buff rolling, maybe an Engineering Team. Science it's Hazard Emitters, and a shield heal.

That's 6-8 minimum, with an even split. Most ships have 12 slots, and the split up between the three officer types usually means most of them are filled with little room for single-target frippery.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


There's also the simple matter that if you have two or more targets, AoE is always going to be faster and more efficient anyway. The only time it hasn't been is when they've thrown on abilities that punish damaging the "wrong" target, like the Voth reflective shields, and all that usually accomplishes is gibbing the pubbies who don't pay attention.

Ibanez Murderface
Mar 7, 2005

#!/bin/bash
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VoCt2cO6jR4bj7J_vmJ_7vlU2deeyRlFQ9-XhnAl_Zc/edit?pli=1

Here's a bunch of Intelligence boff powers from Tribble. It's being updated by pubbies, so feel free to troll it at your leisure.

Korgan
Feb 14, 2012


Ibanez Murderface posted:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VoCt2cO6jR4bj7J_vmJ_7vlU2deeyRlFQ9-XhnAl_Zc/edit?pli=1

Here's a bunch of Intelligence boff powers from Tribble. It's being updated by pubbies, so feel free to troll it at your leisure.

Heh. They had to be on tribble to find out about this poo poo. :smug:

Ibanez Murderface
Mar 7, 2005

#!/bin/bash

Korgan posted:

Heh. They had to be on tribble to find out about this poo poo. :smug:

Goons + publicly editable Google doc

Clearly it needs more Xean

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
On ESD today I was giving a lecture on the hagiography of STO.

the patron saint of the space poor, Olivia.

the patron saint of farmers, jkname

the patron saint of scientists and journalists, dukedom

the patron saint of cash money hot boys, crosis

and i thought, what could the founder of SFD be the patron saint of?

I thought "helping people, fixing things that are broken, and cleaning things that are dirty." And then I received my enlightenment.

Who is it that does all three of those things? A dentist.

jercoxthealmighty
Dec 18, 2007
I must guiltily admit that I kind of like the look of the Phantom Intel Escort, even though I, too, can see how it basically looks like a Defiant/Bugship hybrid... though my first impression of it was that it seemed like they were trying to make "The Defiant, but more awesome" and... did not really succeed.

Really, the Eclipse looks a bit Voyager-y/Enterprise E-y, too, and the Guardian, now that we see what it looks like, brings to mind the Enterprise-D... and maybe the Scryer looks a little like the NX-01 Enterprise... but in each case, it still seems like they were misguidedly trying to evoke the idea of these ships being "better" versions of the TV ships (but without having as good people doing the design work as any of the TV series had).

bubbles depo
Jul 25, 2006

doot doot!

hakimashou posted:



and i thought, what could the founder of SFD be the patron saint of?



Being a lil bitch.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!
Tactical Officer in a Cruiser – still viable?

I just want to beam broadside poo poo.

Conskill
May 7, 2007

I got an 'F' in Geometry.

CobiWann posted:

Tactical Officer in a Cruiser – still viable?

I just want to beam broadside poo poo.

Very viable. Tactical goes well with anything, really.

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Technical Analysis
Nov 21, 2007

I got 99 problems but the British ain't one.
I'm a tac in a science boat. Still kicks rear end.

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