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poptart_fairy posted:this was literally logic from a bunch of the guys in the minorities perspective gaming thread We have games that glorify sexual mutilation but hey let's argue about how much cleavage is acceptable.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Jes Baker is amusing. http://www.worldlifestyle.com/beauty-style/14-things-every-fat-girl-absolutely-needs-to-hear Man what a slut hes banged 30 women in a month.
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I honestly don't see how the new Tomb Raider, with its "let's gorily impale Lara on things over and over again in a creepily Freudian manner", could seriously be considered as a feminist anything
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Neurolimal posted:look dude, if the trolling attempt fails the first two times, just call it a day This is literally what happened, people criticized Tomb Raider because the female lead can be hurt or brutalized in the game. If you believe that videogames can cause sexist attitudes I don't see how you can deny that it can change how people view men as well.
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EasternBronze posted:Than I think there's a case to be made that violence against men is normalized by games to a shocking degree and we need to change that as well. Well you're free to start your own MRAVG videos if you want
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EasternBronze posted:This is literally what happened, people criticized Tomb Raider because the female lead can be hurt or brutalized in the game. nah, they criticized the tomb raider trailers because the female lead was only shown being hurt or brutalized, then the game came out and people saw that it was actually mostly just her being awesome you ofc know this and are just trying to get a rise out of someone, this post is mostly for people who didnt pay attention to tomb raider/its trailers (you should, game owned)
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Prenton posted:I honestly don't see how the new Tomb Raider, with its "let's gorily impale Lara on things over and over again in a creepily Freudian manner", could seriously be considered as a feminist anything if you died in that game you're probably a MALE GAMER who intentionally died because you get off on that kind of poo poo you sick gently caress
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natetimm posted:Most if not all of the games with some sort of romantic plot elements consist of overly attractive characters playing the part on both sides. Just like most porn consists of attractive women/men and most romance novels have Fabio-looking dudes with washboard abs on the front. People want what they consider to be an attractive fantasy and it's been that way since caveman was scrawling big tit fertility idols on cave walls. I think I got myself off track since mostly what I want to say is that, sex appeal aside, I see people say poo poo like "Publishers think that games with female leads don't sell" and I'm pretty sure that's dumb
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Prenton posted:I honestly don't see how the new Tomb Raider, with its "let's gorily impale Lara on things over and over again in a creepily Freudian manner", could seriously be considered as a feminist anything
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Goffer posted:I don't know which videos you are watching but the ones I've seen specifically don't say 'Trope X is bad, every instance of it is bad' but rather they say 'this can be bad because study X, Y, Z show that objectification of women in games causes men to objectify women and treat them as lesser people IRL while at the same time affect gamer women's self esteem, self worth and etc'. She will occasionally cite sources, and I can't say much to any of them because I don't recognize a drat one. She does not make a works cited readily available and she usually cites a single source per topic and issue. Also, she most certainly does NOT include links or lists of studies or sources in the back of her videos--I've just gone through and scrolled to the end of four random videos by her--aiming for the 30 minute ones mostly--and they end with credits and a list of backers, and links to other videos. If she's citing studies, she's not doing it in a very good way, so if you're willing to throw links up, please do so, otherwise I'm not really feeling it--she absolutely paints with a large brush, which is exactly why she has a loving three part trilogy of videos all about how much she hates damsels in distress. Neurolimal posted:nah, they criticized the tomb raider trailers because the female lead was only shown being hurt or brutalized, then the game came out and people saw that it was actually mostly just her being awesome I actually think that there may be some credence to the fetishism complaints about the new Tomb Raider. Like, Lara is supposed to be shown as inexperienced, but starting the game impaled and bloody and literally transitioning from every single stage by smashing into walls, floors, sliding down something, smacking into something, getting beat up basically constantly whenever a cutscene happens...like, it's kind of weird. Lara takes more abuse than Nathan freaking Drake does, only to be completely fine at generic shooty tooty bang bang when you get control again. BottledBodhisvata fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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Neurolimal posted:nah, they criticized the tomb raider trailers because the female lead was only shown being hurt or brutalized, then the game came out and people saw that it was actually mostly just her being awesome Would you be claiming that misrepresenting something I've never actually played just to boost my agenda makes me dishonest and untrustworthy?
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EasternBronze posted:Would you be claiming that misrepresenting something I've never actually played just to boost my agenda makes me dishonest and untrustworthy? hes projecting tbh
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leon in RE4 can get dismembered, devoured, and beheaded in a multitude of ways, but people usually just remember him telling funny one-liners and jumping down ladders shockingly enough, people are willing to ignore certain things (esp. if they mainly exist to build tension and aren't weird gender-specific stuff) if the other things the character does is way cooler sure she can get impaled, but she can also kill swarthes of peeps (and also goats) with a bow and arrow while raiding tombs and actually being a woman in games capable of wearing normal clothes, getting dirty or scuffed, and still being perfectly capable
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poptart_fairy posted:hes projecting tbh how is that projecting
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BottledBodhisvata posted:I've heard women developers complaining about really rampant sexism and "boys club" attitudes in game developers before. In that specific instance, I said that--rather than take their stupid poo poo and work for them any longer, they should take to kickstarter and make a team and just start making their own games. I got bitched at for proposing a female only game jam, saying that "sexual segregation isn't the solution". oh yeah because the already non segregated game jams have a shitload of female participation, and because in anything else like, tennis, women leagues have been shot down as being demeaning to women and causes them to be so offended they don't participate at all right?
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EasternBronze posted:Wasn't there a huge poo poo fit thrown about the new Tomb Raider game before it was even released? There was an "outrage" because one of the quick time events would have a man feel up Lara then kill her, if you failed. Some people viewed that as rape, and the producer responded with: "When you see her have to face these challenges, you start to root for her in a way that you might not root for a male character," "When people play Lara, they don't really project themselves into the character. They're more like 'I want to protect her.' There's this sort of dynamic of 'I'm going to this adventure with her and trying to protect her.'" This also got people mad, for some reason, and in the end they changed the animation in that QTE from "feeling Lara up" to "REALLY violating her personal space!". As usual it all was a whole lot of nothing, and it got resolved by even more nothing. I think those gory deaths however where really creepy in a Rome Rose kind of way
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Neurolimal posted:leon in RE4 can get dismembered, devoured, and beheaded in a multitude of ways, but people usually just remember him telling funny one-liners and jumping down ladders You see, the problem here is Anita would actually have to play games to know these things. Instead of looking for the worst examples with no counter points and providing a biased argument. Has she ever used examples of where women are great characters in games? Or any redeeming qualities? I haven't watched more than like a few minutes of her videos because they're awful.
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*SEX ORGANS NON-PROBLEMATICALLY EXPLODE*
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Al Borland posted:You see, the problem here is Anita would actually have to play games to know these things. Instead of looking for the worst examples with no counter points and providing a biased argument. quote:I haven't watched more than like a few minutes of her videos is this amateur afternoon, you usually have to string people along with the former for a few posts before you reveal the latter
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Al Borland posted:You see, the problem here is Anita would actually have to play games to know these things. Instead of looking for the worst examples with no counter points and providing a biased argument. I recall her going like "you know what a cool female character would be?" and then proceeded to describe basically alyx vance.
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fnox posted:I recall her going like "you know what a cool female character would be?" and then proceeded to describe basically alyx vance. "here's a handful of cool characters" isn't really an excuse for 90% of the rest of female characters in videogames being poo poo, a lot of these response videos seem to miss that capcom has the gall to put one of their lady fighters in a full on loose karate gi, therefore there's no problems with poo poo boring cheesecake in the fighting game genre
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Al Borland posted:You see, the problem here is Anita would actually have to play games to know these things. Instead of looking for the worst examples with no counter points and providing a biased argument. This is called lacking in journalistic integrity
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The Landstander posted:A lot of the SJW types have shitloads of tweets, but #tcot (tea party people) people are actually worse probably. Basically 'online activists' tweet a whole lot. I think this guy is the "winner", 297 tweets a day on average. For 6 years. Theres some who have 3 or 4 accounts because they hit the 1000 tweets a day cap. 
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"I think this woman's unrealistically large chest negatively influences our society." *STEPS OVER PILE OF MALE CORPSES* "Dammnit my M5 is jammed!" MrQwerty posted:This is called lacking in journalistic integrity He would need 160K in order to put anymore effort into it.
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EasternBronze posted:"I think this woman's unrealistically large chest negatively influences our society."
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If we accept that videogames have an appreciable impact in real life behaviors than essentially Joe Liberman and Jack Thompson were right. There's a huge double-think involved to say that videogames can change people's attitudes on women and literally nothing else. Its just not logically consistent. Said my peace, I'm out guys. Have a good thread!
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NutritiousSnack posted:She's unemployed basement dweller who's only connection to the world is through weird twitter and apparently reddit. Ex-goon aswell. Was one of the ex-LF / WDDP posters.
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Goffer posted:It's near the end of each video you probably isn't make it there due to insufferable nerd rage Lol. Phone posting, so I can't call you out on this, although I've watched her every video in its entirety. E: oh, wait, I actually can. Let's see sources for her latest video. - It’s time to leave the brothels and strip clubs behind when real victims fuel your narrative by Ben Kuchera - I’m Being So Sincere Right Now: Gaming as Hyperreality by Quinnae - Games, Noir and the 17%: Where Are the Women? by Cara Ellison - Sexual Violence Statistics from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention - Nearly 1 in 5 Women in U.S. Survey Say They Have Been Sexually Assaulted by Roni Caryn Rabin (sic!) Hm... Yes, those studies look very scientific and demonstrate the link between misogyny and video games. Well done. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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This entire situation is a perfect argument for male safe spaces. This has nothing to do with restricting women from anything of meaningful value to society. The men in these safe spaces are not there for prideful reasons. They have been funneled there by society slowly over the years for their own protection. Video game conventions and online video games should be male only. The only punishment for being caught is to be removed from the safe space. This still allows women to play video games as long as they do not reveal their gender. For conventions they would just have to pretend to be a dude cosplaying a female character. The men in these spaces are but mere shadows of their betters. They don't know how to interact other men let alone women. Female presence makes them visibly uncomfortable and prone to fits of anger. Online gaming was designed by DARPA to pacify otherwise useless males that are prone to rape and other violent behaviors until they are needed as meat for the grinder in the next war. The games are violent and male oriented because they serve as propaganda to incite distrust and violence towards "outsiders" when they are needed for Obamas wars in Iraq and Syria. These men have not yet actually committed crime and therefore cannot be jailed. They are not of significant intelligence or value and have no other skills to offer. Previous generations of these men worked in factories that have long since been mechanized. I simply see no legitimate reason for females to interact with their kind. Perhaps as a reporter covering an event in the space on a temporary basis or a scientist attempting to capture a couple of the males for study. This is not a path to be encouraged towards it is something we must protect society from. It is just a bunch of useless trolls circularly trolling each other towards infinity. This entire event has only served to shift their trolling towards the rest of society. I fear for the implications on humanity.
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Neurolimal posted:"here's a handful of cool characters" isn't really an excuse for 90% of the rest of female characters in videogames being poo poo, a lot of these response videos seem to miss that it however means that developers aren't incapable of making actual strong female characters which is what some people actually say, or that they just loving despise women and will not make a game with a strong female lead because it doesn't sell.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:She will occasionally cite sources, and I can't say much to any of them because I don't recognize a drat one. She does not make a works cited readily available and she usually cites a single source per topic and issue. Also, she most certainly does NOT include links or lists of studies or sources in the back of her videos--I've just gone through and scrolled to the end of four random videos by her--aiming for the 30 minute ones mostly--and they end with credits and a list of backers, and links to other videos. Repetitive exposure to casual and explicit sexism as the norm? I'm sure it won't have any negative effect on impressionable minds. I just don't feel it. Serious, google scholar sexism videogames i'm sure you'll find lots to support your feelings
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EasternBronze posted:Joe Liberman and Jack Thompson were right. 
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My only question is how the gently caress does someone use the example that you can kill female bystanders for money in GTA3 to show that games are sexist while omitting the fact that killing male bystanders also gives you money, if that person is arguing in good faith.
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Goffer posted:Repetitive exposure to casual and explicit sexism as the norm? I'm sure it won't have any negative effect on impressionable minds. I just don't feel it. so repetitive exposure to extreme violence and mindless gunplay has made school shootings happen then?
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Goffer posted:Repetitive exposure to casual and explicit sexism as the norm? I'm sure it won't have any negative effect on impressionable minds. I just don't feel it. fnox posted:so repetitive exposure to extreme violence and mindless gunplay has made school shootings happen then? But in general, I dislike this whole "showing it makes it normalized!" because it's pretty insulting to any video gamer out there. I played Mario when I was 6, I didn't think jumping on turtles would make them slide out of their shells. This is an argument I see a lot--like how people can be guilty of unintentional sexism or that sexist stereotypes enforce violence against women, and I won't say that there is no truth to them--but I think that, without more evidence to back it up, it's a weak justification for attacking things in games you don't like, just like Jack Thompson and Hillary Clinton attacked things in games they don't like. Books have had rape and murder and poo poo for thousands of years and I don't think anybody thinks that Wuthering Heights is causing rampant violence against women.
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DrPlump posted:This entire situation is a perfect argument for male safe spaces. This has nothing to do with restricting women from anything of meaningful value to society. The men in these safe spaces are not there for prideful reasons. They have been funneled there by society slowly over the years for their own protection.
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ok fine heres some from one of them Sexual Priming, Gender Stereotyping, and Likelihood to Sexually Harass: Examining the Cognitive Effects of Playing a Sexually-Explicit Video Game http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11199-009-9695-4 Effects of exposure to sex-stereotyped video game characters on tolerance of sexual harassment http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103108001005 Objectification leads to depersonalization: The denial of mind and moral concern to objectified others http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejsp.755/abstract Sexualized avatars affect the real world, Stanford researchers find http://news.stanford.edu/news/2013/october/virtual-female-avatars-100913.html The embodiment of sexualized virtual selves: The Proteus effect and experiences of self-objectification via avatars http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S074756321200369X The Afterglow of Construct Accessibility: The Behavioral Consequences of Priming Men to View Women as Sexual Objects http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103185710220 Sexism in online video games: The role of conformity to masculine norms and social dominance orientation http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563213002525 quote:So why does any of this matter? What’s the real harm in sexually objectifying women? Well, the negative impacts of sexual objectification have been studied extensively over the years and the effects on people of all genders are quite clear and very serious. Research has consistently found that exposure to these types of images negatively impacts perceptions and beliefs about real world women and reinforces harmful myths about sexual violence.
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