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Cupholders are located at the back wall so I don't have to contort my arm when shifting. gently caress, I'm sold already. Though I don't like that the air vents are not symmetrical. That rectangular one in the middle ruins everything! Hikaki fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration issued a proposed rule Monday requiring all new light vehicles — including cars, SUVs, trucks and vans — to have "rear-view visibility systems," in effect, requiring backup cameras. The rule -- which would be final in 60 days -- would start phasing in on May 1, 2016 models and be at 100% May 1, 2018.
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Jesus. Christ. A mirror doesn't work as a rear view system? Or turning your goddamn head?
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Backup cameras own. It's whatever. This is the Miata thread, but I'm sure that you've realized, especially since you ride motorcycles, that 99% of the cars out there aren't Miata sized.
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Look at those headrests and how high up the boot sits. Even with the top down it's going to be a total pain to see behind you unless you're very tall. Doesn't seem too much worse than a NC or S2000. I don't really care that it has a screen so much that it's completely unshrouded and in a position that just looks slapped on. And those color coordinated door tops are gonna be painful.
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Blaise posted:Jesus. Christ. The screen high up on the dash makes sense, and not surrounding it with plastic dashboard gives the most forward visibility. edit: the screen is about the same height as the gauges. If the 3 is anything to go by, that means you'll still be able to see the base of the windshield over the top of the screen. It doesn't block anything. 
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Sep 4, 2014 04:49
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Even backing up the BRZ, I wouldn't be able to see anyone under 3 1/2 foot tall or so. It's children and slow moving elderly that are mostly backed over. With the rate beltlines are rising in cars, rear visibility will be non-existent by the time backup cameras are mandatory. How crazy would pop up headlights be on a 2015 model?   Chriskory fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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Sep 4, 2014 04:56
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Chriskory posted:With the rate sills are rising in cars, rear visibility will be non-existent by the time backup cameras are mandatory. They were trying to make them manditory by 2008. We got TPMS at least, I guess. That got pushed back in favor of abolishing the 100 watt light bulb.
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One of the things I love about my NA is the rear visibility - when I turn my head to look at the situation behind me, I feel naked. This could be because I, in fact, drive naked. Edit: interesting how the ND LCD appears angled toward the passenger.
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TheGoatTrick posted:You haven't driven a modern SUV, have you? Seriously. My '03 Grand Cherokee has way better rear visibility than my '13 CR-V, despite being considerably larger. The backup camera on the CR-V is a loving godsend. ND looks damned good... but I still can't wait to see what the eye-talians do with it. 
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Because the youtube M/C dude seemed to want to skip over dashboard talk, and because the screen looks like hell, and because the HVAC controls are from the parts bin (?), I'm gonna guess that the dash is not out of the tweak department just yet. Looks like the iDrive only will do nav, backup, and infotainment w/redundant controls? My only nit picks. Love the rest. It makes the older gens (including the one I own and love) look like conestogas.
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Otteration posted:Because the youtube M/C dude seemed to want to skip over dashboard talk, and because the screen looks like hell, and because the HVAC controls are from the parts bin (?), I'm gonna guess that the dash is not out of the tweak department just yet. Looks like the iDrive only will do nav, backup, and infotainment w/redundant controls? The system controls the stereo, phone, navigation (if applicable), vehicle settings, and "apps" (currently, fuel economy and maintenance monitors). It has a touchscreen which is active when the car isn't moving. If the car is moving, you use the knob (Mazda calls it the "commander") or voice controls. The voice controls actually work really well. I don't use the touchscreen at all, but I'm used to iDrive.
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TheGoatTrick posted:You haven't driven a modern SUV, have you? You or I don't need the cameras and blind spot monitors, but I'd rather the fuckwit driving/opening a bag of chips in the next lane have them available. That's fine. I have driven an SUV. I think its a great tool. However, MANDATING THEM, in every car, including a miata, is what I have a problem with. Adds extra price and complexity to something I wanna keep pure.
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TheGoatTrick posted:That's the same screen that the current 3 and new 2 use. It's going in the 6 and the CX-5 next year. I don't see why they'd use anything different. Cool, and good to know. I like that voice works well (with the top down!?). Wish the physical screen were better integrated into the dash throughout the Mazda line (my only personal decent samples are the 05 Accord nav screen, 13 Prius, and (yowza) 93 Lincoln Mark VIII, which look good in dash, but maybe not so much ergonomically). I also understand the backup cam bit; too many baby seats being left behind and squished. Implementation is a bit too appliancy here though. Just hoping for a tweak, and not ever needing to look away from the road at a possibly passenger-oriented screen w/glare and amid traffic on a tight corner. Tweaks.
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This miata will kill off the miata. It is not cute. How are they going to sell them?
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I've driven cars with rear-view cameras before and only really looked at them when parallel parking into tight spots. So I'm not sure this is really going to accomplish anything besides make the car look stupid and more expensive. Anyway, the tablet in a dock thing is really unappealing too, it really looks half-baked and I never liked it in any of the cars that do this now. Something nicely integrated into the dash just creates a more complete look, even BMW's two bubbles work better IMO.
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Sep 4, 2014 09:04
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Still better than NB/NC/ND/Nx.
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105mm shorter makes it the shortest ever by some distance, and the engine's position has pushed the cabin back a little as well. I'll be interested to see where the space has been taken from.Chriskory posted:How crazy would pop up headlights be on a 2015 model? Elephanthead posted:This miata will kill off the miata. It is not cute. How are they going to sell them?
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Stupid safety laws ruining everything good
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Nodoze posted:Stupid safety laws ruining everything good Like living.
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Living is overrated anyway, I don't think anyone ever complained about not living.
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Blaise posted:That's fine. I have driven an SUV. I think its a great tool. Oh jeez. A tiny digital camera and a small LCD aren't adding complexity to your purist experience.
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Will Mazda offer a power steering delete / AC delete stripper model option?
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A MIRACLE posted:Will Mazda offer a power steering delete / AC delete stripper model option? That doesn't sound very aspirational to me.
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I am angry. Really angry. I hold my tongue about most designs because I am not the target market, but this car, I AM THE TARGET MARKET. The worst part is knowing that every time I see one of these things I will see a great opportunity lost. Gone. Over. The car has wonderful overall proportions, and that's what makes the designer's crime all the more vile. Sick. Awful. They destroyed it for no other reason than to stroking their own egos. In the end they'll know they failed. The car isn't great, and it could have been. It'll go down as just a footnote to the NA. This small, tight, pure little machine should not be infected, festooned or decorated with the trite, weakass nonsense crap of some clueless egotistical designer or design boss. One of the forum members once asked why all cars can't be beautiful. Well here's the reason. HUMAN NATURE. They can't help getting their egos involved. They want to put their fingerprints on it, "sign it", graffiti-ize it. Oh and they did. I can think of a few other phrases and words that describe what they did but are not fit for this forum. A beautiful design requires restraint, maturity and discipline on the part of the designer. An Aston V8 Vantage, a E46 M3, a Cord 810 all from the heart. All pure. How quickly stupidity and ego can turn an E-type into a Daimler Dart. The only reason I am not screaming "moron!" to the people that say they like the car is because I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. I think that what they are seeing are the great overall proportions and not the detail warts and tortured surfaces from the design team. I can't live with those. I will not buy one. EVER.
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Extra posted:Still waiting for the LED strip DRL thing to go out of fashion because there is not one car that looks good with it. Same here. The only cars it looked serviceable on were Audis. Now I have to see that poo poo on Dodge Durangos? It's like the Altezza taillights of the 2010's
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Phone posted:I will not buy one. EVER.  Cool your jets man. I know where you're coming from, I am also their exact target market. I will hold off on making such statements until I can drive one.
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Blaise posted:
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=553282&page=18
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PeterWeller posted:Oh jeez. A tiny digital camera and a small LCD aren't adding complexity to your purist experience. Sure does. It's extra engineering cost, extra production cost, and who knows whether it will be a required item to pass safety inspection in the future. This is part of the reason I'm so happy with the sportbike market. There are no gimmicks and no safety BS mandates. The bikes just get lighter, faster, better handling, year after year. Bigger and bigger smiles.
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Phone posted:I should source my quote: hahah well that explains my confusion
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Blaise posted:Sure does. It's extra engineering cost, extra production cost, and who knows whether it will be a required item to pass safety inspection in the future. ABS, traction control? Both something I desire on a modern motorcycle, though not mandated it likely should/will be. I'm sure people complained about radial tires because their sidewall squirmed, seatbelts that kill you, airbags ect. I know people who complain about fuel injection being "too complicated". Anyway, engineering cost for the screen and steering wheel controls lower when spread across the full model range.
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miata.net posted:A beautiful design requires restraint, maturity and discipline on the part of the designer. An Aston V8 Vantage, a E46 M3, a Cord 810 all from the heart. All pure. miata.net posted:restraint, maturity and discipline Hahahahaha wat
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Chriskory posted:ABS, traction control? Both something I desire on a modern motorcycle, though not mandated it likely should/will be. Bah. Yeah. I'm honestly torn here. I think new tech is awesome. And then there is stuff that I get annoyed with. Rear view cameras I guess falls firmly in the 'don't want/need' pile. And since I work in engineering I'm aware that there's business cases for everything, as well as govt mandates. I realize I'm at one end of the extremes for what customers would want. Lucky for me, I have lots of choices for cars/bikes. I can always get older vehicles and I can always modify to suit my taste. Pardon my passion for this project, I just happen to love my NA (owned two, plus an NB) and so I'm fighting for every bit of that possible while maintaining safety standards.
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The thing that annoys me the most is that we (America) want to dump billions of dollars into things like rearview cameras and TPMS and yet we don't want to invest anything at all into driver training. It makes no sense at all.
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Phone posted:I should source my quote: quote:White'901.8swap,MBSP,reroute,Red'90,15x7.5,VLSD,Red2'90VLSD,15x8,Laguna'94C-pkg,White'97FFS,XidaCS,OSGiken,RS3,JaguarXKES1,MiniCooper1275S, BMW Isetta That guy was never going to buy a new one.
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revmoo posted:The thing that annoys me the most is that we (America) want to dump billions of dollars into things like rearview cameras and TPMS and yet we don't want to invest anything at all into driver training. It makes no sense at all. You clearly don't understand "gently caress you, got mine."
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meatpimp posted:You clearly don't understand "gently caress you, got mine." I was leaving a parking lot when a 2011 Hyundai Santa Fe pulls in, drivers side front tire completely flat (driving on the rim). I turn around assuming they need help, but they park in a spot and start walking into the store. So I ask if they know their tire is flat, they look back and are surprised to find it so. Then comment "that must be what's been making all the noise" Driving past an hour later, car was still parked on a flat tire. Still is today for all I know. So much for mandatory TPMS equating to anything.
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If you make something idiot-proof, they'll make a better idiot. It's a never-ending cycle of catering to the lowest common denominator.
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Blaise posted:Sure does. It's extra engineering cost, extra production cost, and who knows whether it will be a required item to pass safety inspection in the future. It is literally two off-the-shelf components and some wiring where wiring already goes in bundles.
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