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Sneaky Kettle posted:Dismantling an old non-functional PC for recycling, built ca. 2009, I discovered a unicorn; one of the last good AMD CPUs, a Phenom II 940 x4, and its colossal 125w TDP stock heatsink. 
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The Lord Bude posted:If you're prepared to overclock you can get tremendous value out of that $70 pentium 3258. That sounds like a cheap solution that might gently caress me over in the end, doesn't it?
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puschel posted:That sounds like a cheap solution that might gently caress me over in the end, doesn't it? Read all the drat posts in the last few pages about the 3258. Overclocked it can beat an i3 (no i3 is able to overclock), and $100 at Microcenter gets your both the 3258 and a Z97 motherboard (around $100 on it's own). I don't know what it is you're expecting to screw you, the chip isn't going to catch fire. Even if some day it winds up bottlenecking you there will be way better chips, and how much can a $50 CPU depreciate in the first place, just put it back up on eBay for $40 or whatever.
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Zero VGS posted:Read all the drat posts in the last few pages about the 3258. Overclocked it can beat an i3 (no i3 is able to overclock), and $100 at Microcenter gets your both the 3258 and a Z97 motherboard (around $100 on it's own). I don't know what it is you're expecting to screw you, the chip isn't going to catch fire. Just out of curiosity (as I'm looking to make a super budget-build myself) is there a specific reason the 4360 is the budget recco in the OP instead of the 3258?
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DeceasedHorse posted:That's good to hear. I was able to find some aftermarket coolers that look like they might help if the noise issue turns out to be more of deal breaker then I expect; they look to be somewhat challenging to install, but the air-cooled options like this guy http://www.arctic.ac/us_en/accelero-xtreme-iii.html don't seem to be brain surgery either (famous last words...) Awesome, thanks!
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thunderspanks posted:Just out of curiosity (as I'm looking to make a super budget-build myself) is there a specific reason the 4360 is the budget recco in the OP instead of the 3258? Probably because the OP was last edited in April and the chip came out in July.
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Zero VGS posted:Probably because the OP was last edited in April and the chip came out in July. Well that would certainly make sense. That's a pretty darn sweet chip now that I've read a few things on it.
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Zero VGS posted:Read all the drat posts in the last few pages about the 3258. Overclocked it can beat an i3 (no i3 is able to overclock), and $100 at Microcenter gets your both the 3258 and a Z97 motherboard (around $100 on it's own). I don't know what it is you're expecting to screw you, the chip isn't going to catch fire. Thanks, it's just that I've never oc'ed a cpu before, so I'm kinda nervous about that. Anyway, it seems like a decent solution, I'd like to play at 1080p with max details and I'm wondering if that's possible with a cheap rig like R9 270x/280 and that 3258.
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Looking for a replacement 120mm fan for a friend's case. He's running an Antec 900 case and is only replacing 1 so silence isn't the biggest concern, but quiet is nice. Durability/reliability and reasonable cost are mainly what we're looking for. Any brand/model recommendations?Zero VGS posted:Probably because the OP was last edited in April and the chip came out in July. Speaking of OP edits, the hard drive quick picks link is linking to only 7200 RPM 1 tb drives, which I believe leaves out thread favorite WD Reds, and includes thread whipping boy WD Blacks.
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Josh Lyman posted:That was a stock HSF? Hell yeah, the stock HSF for my Phenom II's were crazy good. The cpu's produced way more heat but could never get over 72* or they melt and explode or something. I wish there was an Intel -> AMD bracket (doesn't even look that hard) so I could plop one of those on the G3258
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That is literally the largest passive heatsink I've ever seen on a CPU. Gawdamn.
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thunderspanks posted:Just out of curiosity (as I'm looking to make a super budget-build myself) is there a specific reason the 4360 is the budget recco in the OP instead of the 3258? The 3258 is not a good deal if you don't have access to a discounted Z97 motherboard with it as well, or a retailer that uses CPUs as a loss leader like microcenter. If you're stuck ordering from Newegg, you're paying $70 for the CPU and $80-100 for a Z97 motherboard that can overclock well. If you have access to a Microcenter, you pay $99 for a bundle of both.
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puschel posted:Thanks, it's just that I've never oc'ed a cpu before, so I'm kinda nervous about that. Anyway, it seems like a decent solution, I'd like to play at 1080p with max details and I'm wondering if that's possible with a cheap rig like R9 270x/280 and that 3258. Overclocked that CPU doesn't bottleneck at 1080p for all but the most CPU heavy games. Your best bet for budget GPU that can max 1080p would be something like these used mining 280x for $180 shipped, they'd still have about 2 years of warranty on their serial numbers: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-Radeon-R9-280X-GV-R928XOC-3GD-3-GB-GDDR5-SDRAM-PCIe-/281397638880 I've built one for a friend with exactly that, I told him to save his DDR3/SSD and take the mobo/cpu/gpu out of his case then gave him that exact 280x card and the microcenter combo deal. So he paid $250 for a stupid-good upgrade. Twerk from Home posted:The 3258 is not a good deal if you don't have access to a discounted Z97 motherboard with it as well, or a retailer that uses CPUs as a loss leader like microcenter. If you're stuck ordering from Newegg, you're paying $70 for the CPU and $80-100 for a Z97 motherboard that can overclock well. If you have access to a Microcenter, you pay $99 for a bundle of both. A whole bunch of non-overclocking boards can now have official BIOS updates to allow them to overclock anyways, so if you have one of them then the CPU at $70 is still great: http://www.techpowerup.com/202196/asus-enables-overclocking-on-h97-h87-b85-and-h81-series-motherboards.html Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Sep 5, 2014 |
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Radbot posted:That is literally the largest passive heatsink I've ever seen on a CPU. Gawdamn.  
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Josh Lyman posted:That was a stock HSF? Reminds me of the Intel stock heatsinks we were putting on Xeon X5650s when building those workstations a few years back.
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thunderspanks posted:Newegg's current shellshocker deal (on the canadian site at least) is the 250gb EVO $134.99! It's been $118.99 on Amazon 
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I built a PC in late 2012 using advice from this thread, and while that computer's still decent enough (i3 3220, Radeon HD 7770) and it'd probably be fine to pop a new video card in it, my girlfriend's using my old-old computer from way back when, so I figured I'd spring for all new stuff and give her the i3 system. I haven't overclocked since getting an AMD Duron from 600mhz to 850mhz like 15 years ago, but it was fun, so I'm gonna give it a whirl with a 4690K. My goals are for War Thunder to look amazing, and for Arma 3 to run well for once. I think I've got everything sorted out, but please let me know if I'm overlooking something dumb. CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.99 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($31.87 @ Amazon) Thermal Compound: Noctua NT-H1 3.5g Thermal Paste ($8.95 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI Z97M-G43 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($108.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Patriot Viper 3 Low Profile Red 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($92.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($309.99 @ Amazon) Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Orange ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Amazon) Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($20.17 @ Amazon) Total: $957.93 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Please Work Out Thanks!
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Shine posted:I built a PC in late 2012 using advice from this thread, and while that computer's still decent enough (i3 3220, Radeon HD 7770) and it'd probably be fine to pop a new video card in it, my girlfriend's using my old-old computer from way back when, so I figured I'd spring for all new stuff and give her the i3 system. You're overpaying even for 2133 memory: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/avexir-memory-avd3u21331104g2ci Also, a 280X can provide equivalent performance to a 770 for $20-50 less. The MSI board is decent, but I'd recommend the Z97M Pro 4 from ASRock. Better Network & Audio with the rest about the same for cheaper. Peanut3141 fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Sep 5, 2014 |
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New nvidia stuff being released soon as well. Maybe two weeks
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1gnoirents posted:New nvidia stuff being released soon as well. Maybe two weeks Do you have a source on this? If we haven't heard much yet, it's almost definitely a paper launch where they'll actually hit store shelves in November.
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Shine posted:I built a PC in late 2012 using advice from this thread, and while that computer's still decent enough (i3 3220, Radeon HD 7770) and it'd probably be fine to pop a new video card in it, my girlfriend's using my old-old computer from way back when, so I figured I'd spring for all new stuff and give her the i3 system. You won't be able to get a huge overclock with the Hyper 212 EVO. If you want to really push it you'll have to get a bigger air cooler like the Phanteks PH-TC14PE or a closed loop water cooler (I prefer air but it's a personal preference thing). For a moderate overclock the Hyper 212 will be okay (I've got a 4670K at 4.3ghz with it). You can probably skip the thermal paste unless you want that brand for a particular reason, most heatsinks come with some in a tube that's pretty decent.
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I didn't win this auction since I wanted to ask the GOONS what they thought first, but what about this card at this price: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-Radeon-R9-290X-GV-R929XOC-4GD-4GB-512-bit-1040MHz-PCI-E-DVI-D-HDMI-DP-/271597391705 Since miningmania firesale has apparently died off, this seems like a pretty screaming deal for a non-reference 290X with a transferable warranty. Should I try to find a deal like this in the future?
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gourdcaptain posted:I'm looking at building my first desktop (I've used laptops for forever and I've realized when it came time to upgrade my main one I could save money and use it for 99% of the same use cases if I got a desktop) and I'd like to see if the parts I'm looking at are a good idea. What I need is a computer capable of doing some heavy CPU crunching (some transcoding for personal use, but a lot of high CPU intensive research applications and running VMs for my doctorate research) at a decent speed, but I don't need super-high performance, and I don't feel like messing with overclocking the first time out of the gate. GPU performance is secondary to CPU performance - I need to be able to run the occasional CUDA code, but I don't do much 3D gaming (although I do watch a good deal of HD video). I'm going to be running Linux on it, so that constrains my choices slightly. (For one, Gigabyte motherboards aren't a good idea from what I hear.) If you're ok with mail-in-rebates, here's a better PSU for less: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-capstone450m Semi-modular is great for keep your case tidy.
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Rexxed posted:You won't be able to get a huge overclock with the Hyper 212 EVO. If you want to really push it you'll have to get a bigger air cooler like the Phanteks PH-TC14PE or a closed loop water cooler (I prefer air but it's a personal preference thing). For a moderate overclock the Hyper 212 will be okay (I've got a 4670K at 4.3ghz with it). You can probably skip the thermal paste unless you want that brand for a particular reason, most heatsinks come with some in a tube that's pretty decent. To be fair the 4690k has improved TIM, so you can probably get decent mileage with just a 212 EVO
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Peanut3141 posted:You're overpaying even for 2133 memory: Thanks for the heads-up on the cheaper RAM. Incidentally, I'm getting 2133 because I've read that Arma 3 (a key game I want to improve) may benefit significantly from faster RAM, so I figured I'd give it a shot for the small cost difference. I saw the 280X, but the ATI software and multi-monitor support have annoyed me so many times that I'm gonna go back to Nvidia; being less annoyed is easily worth 50 bucks. The ASRock costs more on Amazon, which is where I prefer to buy stuff because I like their customer service. What specific benefits would I see from the network difference? Is that something that an end-user will really see and appreciate, or is it more of a paper difference? Hace posted:To be fair the 4690k has improved TIM, so you can probably get decent mileage with just a 212 EVO Yeah, I read that people were getting decent OC's with the 212 and even the stock cooler. If I can get into the low/mid 4's with a cheap, quiet cooler, that would be fine. I'll add something beefier later if I get bored/greedy.
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The Realtek isn't as bad as a Killer-branded NIC that can blue screen your computer periodically, but non-Intel NICs tend to have lower performance. From my research this is because some functions performed in hardware by Intel are performed in driver software by Realtek, transferring the burden to your CPU. Is an Intel NIC worth $50 more? Probably not, but I'd gladly pay up to $25 more.
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gourdcaptain posted:Memory | Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cmv8gx3m2a1600c11) | $82.99 @ Newegg If you will use a lot of VMs at once then 16GB is probably a good idea. Also if your datasets are big, it is a good idea to have more. 16GB goes by very fast when you have data to crunch. 8 might be enough, know your data, etc...
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Radbot posted:If I can get two R9 280x for the price of one R9 290x, is there any reason not to? Yeah, the frame pacing still sucks balls with crossfire 280X, whereas on a 290 and above, AMD seems to have that poo poo on lock in terms of crossfire. Then there are situations where crossfire won't work or has issues. I'd personally get the 290X. Edit: 280X is a fine card on its own, though. However, as a bonus with the 290X, you'll have a GCN 1.1 card, thus be ready for Adaptive Sync and so on.
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icantfindaname posted:Is there any noticeable advantage to 1600Hz+ RAM? Last I was aware it was some seriously meager performance increases for a lot of extra money. Is that still the case? This is just for video games Sometimes the cost difference can be so minimal that you might as well go for it instead of the usual 1600Mhz if your motherboard supports it. At times it could actually be the cheapest RAM set in the market due to prices fluctuating often.
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Josh Lyman posted:That was a stock HSF? Yes, yes it was.
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HalloKitty posted:Yeah, the frame pacing still sucks balls with crossfire 280X, whereas on a 290 and above, AMD seems to have that poo poo on lock in terms of crossfire. poo poo, that sucks. Guess things haven't changed that much since my last build. How does Crossfire work on boards that have one 3.0/x16 slot and one 2.0/x16 slot? I imagine that affects performance?
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Radbot posted:poo poo, that sucks. Guess things haven't changed that much since my last build. The 2.0 slot is always x4 electrically, and yeah, that affects performance by 5-25% depending on title. PCIe 2.0 x8/3.0 x4 is the minimum bandwidth for performance loss to be insignificant.
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gourdcaptain posted:I'm looking at building my first desktop (I've used laptops for forever and I've realized when it came time to upgrade my main one I could save money and use it for 99% of the same use cases if I got a desktop) and I'd like to see if the parts I'm looking at are a good idea. What I need is a computer capable of doing some heavy CPU crunching (some transcoding for personal use, but a lot of high CPU intensive research applications and running VMs for my doctorate research) at a decent speed, but I don't need super-high performance, and I don't feel like messing with overclocking the first time out of the gate. GPU performance is secondary to CPU performance - I need to be able to run the occasional CUDA code, but I don't do much 3D gaming (although I do watch a good deal of HD video). I'm going to be running Linux on it, so that constrains my choices slightly. (For one, Gigabyte motherboards aren't a good idea from what I hear.) Gigabyte motherboards aren't a good idea in general. You sound like you'd be well served with an i7 4790, and maybe 16gb of ram, if it fits your budget. You're also overspending on your motherboard by about $100 - look into something like an asrock h97m- pro4. Check to make sure you're buying the cheapest ram kit that is 1.5v or less. You're also overthinking the cooling. Given that you aren't overclocking I don't see a reason why you'd need extra fans. Get a coolermaster N200 for a quality, affordable case, or something like a Nanoxia DS4 for something quiet and more premium. Both have far more conservative styling. You could put in a cheap aftermaket cpu cooler like the hyper212 evo to cut down on noise.
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The Lord Bude posted:Gigabyte motherboards aren't a good idea in general. I kicked it up to 16 GB of Corsair DDR-1866 RAM (it was like... five bucks more than an equivelent amount of DDR-1600). The fans were because I thought the LED fan in the case was kind of gaudy... so I should have looked at a different case. Will do. I though Asrocks had build quality issues? Plus, I'm kind of sticking with a motherboard that I know from some research has good linux compatibility (a lot of motherboards have terrible ACPI issues with Linux due to them just assuming Windows behavior instead of what the spec actually calls for.) It also wasn't much more (~$10-15) than the Asrock. Certainly not $100, unless you know somewhere I can get an Asrock for $5. If they're actually reliable in practice, I'll go with the Asrock, I guess? EDIT: The i7 4970 - is it fast enough over the i5 4590 to be worth a fifty percent increase? The only benefit seems to be 0.3 GHz of speed, slightly larger L3 cache, and hyperthreading, and the last of those is of dubious benefit on pretty much all workloads I thought. EDIT 2: Switched to the Cooler Master N200 and the Asrock board for now, will check in detail for any Linux issues on the Asrock if the build quality is okay according to here. Dropped the extra fans. gourdcaptain fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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No what you're paying for is 700 mhz, hyperthreading, and a k chip. Worth 50% more? Probably not if you're asking like that. Is it worth $120 more in a $1500 computer its usually in? Well Gigabyte cheaps out and charges you the same amount of money. It will probably work and you'll never really know the difference. That's about all there is to them
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1gnoirents posted:No what you're paying for is 700 mhz, hyperthreading, and a k chip. Worth 50% more? Probably not if you're asking like that. Is it worth $120 more in a $1200 computer? Well. Yeah, but the K part is only worth it if I'm overclocking, which I stated I wasn't in the original post. And I'd have to change up to a Z97 motherboard too. Gigabyte's tech support for Linux users literally amounts to "install windows", so I'm avoiding it on that alone.
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