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O'Reilly is trying to claim that conservatives would never call liberals "Racist", "Sexist", and "Homophobic" to liberals. He's trying to claim that "liberals" use it as a cottage industry. My brain hearts.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Well there are two sides. "Far right" and "kind of not exactly right but not left or center either." We called them the Progressive Conservatives (or "red" tories).  The Federal party changed it's name, but the Ontario PC party is still going; and ironically; hold views further to the right than Harper himself (publicly) has.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:And, funny enough, also think the US has no true right-wing. There are tens of thousands of anarcho-capitalists, anarcho-socialists, minarchists, classical liberals and other knaves & malcontents on conservative social media. They're close to half of the Republican community in some places. Every time, they try to primary the liberal GOP establishment candidates, and 98% of the time, they fail. FuzzySkinner posted:O'Reilly is trying to claim that conservatives would never call liberals "Racist", "Sexist", and "Homophobic" to liberals. O'Reilly seems to be one of the bigger choir-preachers. He's there for the conservatives that need to feel morally outraged at liberals, a group of people they don't interact with.
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straw man posted:O'Reilly seems to be one of the bigger choir-preachers. He's there for the conservatives that need to feel morally outraged at liberals, a group of people they don't interact with.
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joepinetree posted:Yeah, the idea that there is a "left wing" version of the media in the US is laughable. A quick look at how the "leftist" NY Times and MSNBC are treating the whole Moskowitz v de Blasio thing is pretty good proof that by most international standards the "left wing media" in the US is at best center right. Nonpartisan is left now. If you acknowledge that there is such a thing as "the environment" or talk about a gay person without denigrating them, you are "the left."
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Basically if you are reasonable, value facts and accept reality, you are a radical leftist.
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FuzzySkinner posted:O'Reilly is trying to claim that conservatives would never call liberals "Racist", "Sexist", and "Homophobic" to liberals. 
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Sep 6, 2014 03:43
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FMguru posted:His audience's median age was recently measured at 72.1 years old. He's just reinforcing the long-held prejudices of septuagenarians and octogenarians who just want to be told their right and righteously so and aren't interested in thinking too much (or at all) about it. I don't want to know but I'll touch the poop. Where the hell is that image from? Other than imgur.
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Sep 6, 2014 03:52
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MasterControl posted:I don't want to know but I'll touch the poop. Where the hell is that image from? Other than imgur. It's an old right wing chestnut/folk tale/urban legend, it gets tossed around sometimes by some of the more extreme media personalities and on the internet
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It's beautiful because in this equation, the conservatives are the "non-conformists." Can you be both fascist and non-conformist at the same time? Does it work only if you happen to be the leader of the movement?
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Ah yes, noted conformist Leon Trotsky.
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icantfindaname posted:It's an old right wing chestnut/folk tale/urban legend, it gets tossed around sometimes by some of the more extreme media personalities and on the internet Yeah, if someone brings this up, it's a pretty clear sign that they're openly racist (but you can't call them that, see; a dirty commie coined that term). I only hear it from people who, if pushed hard enough, admit to being white nationalists.
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Regarding the racists who attack the term 'racism' - it's like pedophiles who insist on being called child-lovers; they know they are regarded as morally bankrupt, so they do something which they think helps control their image, but really just demonstrates cowardice on top of moral bankruptcy. Not that belligerent racists proud of being racist are any better. It's two slightly different turds in the same pile of feces. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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ErIog posted:It's beautiful because in this equation, the conservatives are the "non-conformists." Can you be both fascist and non-conformist at the same time? Does it work only if you happen to be the leader of the movement?
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ProperGanderPusher posted:And, funny enough, also think the US has no true right-wing. Where the gently caress have you been for the last decade? There are weekly calls to turn America into a Christian Theocratic Nation (as ARE flounders intended!).
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So I know everyone is super excited about Chuck Todd taking over MtP, bringing in Russert and Scarborough might be the more ridiculous news as they try to shed their ultra-liberal past. http://wonkette.com/559230/meet-the-press-is-about-to-get-so-much-worse-you-need-this-coffee-mug-more-than-ever So Wonkette is plugging their Luke Russert coffee mug, which is now more relevant than ever.  anonumos posted:Where the gently caress have you been for the last decade? There are weekly calls to turn America into a Christian Theocratic Nation (as ARE flounders intended!). Dittoheads, Great Americans, Fairness and Balance: as ARE flounders intended!
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Spacedad posted:Regarding the racists who attack the term 'racism' - it's like pedophiles who insist on being called child-lovers; they know they are regarded as morally bankrupt, so they do something which they think helps control their image, but really just demonstrates cowardice on top of moral bankruptcy. There is a kernel of truth in the Trotsky meme though. dictionary.com posted:1932 as a noun, 1938 as an adjective, from race (n.2); racism is first attested 1936 (from French racisme, 1935), originally in the context of Nazi theories. But they replaced earlier words, racialism (1871) and racialist (1917), both often used early 20c. in a British or South African context. In the U.S., race hatred, race prejudice had been used, and, especially in 19c. political contexts, negrophobia. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist
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I like that one. "So you're a negrophobe?"
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straw man posted:There is a kernel of truth in the Trotsky meme though. I'm aware, but it's an entirely misleading demonization of the term. Trotsky didn't quite use the term the way we use it today, and it's just a handy encompassing term to describe a thing better than what was used prior. Even ignoring the phony red scare nonsense, attacking the word because you're hoping people don't spend the 2 seconds it takes to fact-check your bullshit is just lazy cowardice. Hazo posted:"Conformist" means accepting common scientific and environmental knowledge, acknowledging the existence of economic disparity, and admitting gays and minorities are people. So basically, the sort of things will brand you a radical nonconformist liberal in the warped perspectives in US politics. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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You know, seeing some of the conservative reactions to the idea of raising the minimum wage, it's become clear that we've reached the point where conservatives see the idea of work itself as just another form of welfare.
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If you deserved food, shelter and general happiness, you'd own a business.
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Mr Interweb posted:You know, seeing some of the conservative reactions to the idea of raising the minimum wage, it's become clear that we've reached the point where conservatives see the idea of work itself as just another form of welfare. Well, more like another form of charity. Charity is way better than welfare because at least charity is voluntary and nobody is entitled to it. It also implies that its recipient should be eternally grateful for every cent, whether or not it's enough to live on, and that the one giving the money is making a sacrifice.
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We've been told growing up that we gotta do good in school or we'll end up flipping burgers at McDonalds. Because of that, the idea that McDonalds jobs exist as a form of punishment is deeply ingrained in our culture. Raising the minimum wage would allow fry cooks to escape their just and righteous punishment.
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Lycus posted:If you deserved food, shelter and general happiness, you'd own a business. Thatcherism.txt
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Currently on the front page of Foxnews.com:quote:- PROGRAMMING ALERT - They mean it this time. This is the one!
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Dr Christmas posted:We've been told growing up that we gotta do good in school or we'll end up flipping burgers at McDonalds. Because of that, the idea that McDonalds jobs exist as a form of punishment is deeply ingrained in our culture. Raising the minimum wage would allow fry cooks to escape their just and righteous punishment. They seem to think that college students are lazy moochers as well.
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Mr Interweb posted:They seem to think that college students are lazy moochers as well. I remember during my second year in uni, I had a polisci professor who was pretty nakedly a GOP shill. One of the many things he did in class was to say "Hey, I pay income taxes, unlike you moochers!"
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Well, more like another form of charity. Charity is way better than welfare because at least charity is voluntary and nobody is entitled to it. It also implies that its recipient should be eternally grateful for every cent, whether or not it's enough to live on, and that the one giving the money is making a sacrifice. Charities are also better because you can use them to herd people into particular religions/decide who does and doesn't deserve to avoid starving to death. Oh, you want to eat this week? Guess you're going to church! Oh, you're gay? Welp, no charity for you, sinner!
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Mr Interweb posted:They seem to think that college students are lazy moochers as well. Laziness is measured completely in how much money you make. All those lazy entitled college students graduates with two part-time jobs, an unpaid internship, and crippling student loan debt are lazier than the college graduates of the past who just paid for tuition with a summer job. A bank executive who spends bailout money on bonuses and company retreats is harder working that a single mom who works all day. He shows more hard work from the interest he accrues while snorting come from a hooker's rear end than she does all week! Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Well, more like another form of charity. Charity is way better than welfare because at least charity is voluntary and nobody is entitled to it. It also implies that its recipient should be eternally grateful for every cent, whether or not it's enough to live on, and that the one giving the money is making a sacrifice. It's because the recipient is completely under the power of the person giving the money to browbeat and shame them for it. To have poor people be entitled to charity would be removing that power. Poor people don't deserve self respect, all charity recipients should have a mountain of shame and crippling self worth issues along with whatever pittance they get. Because it's for the best, of course, and will incentivize them to stop being poor, just like victim blaming incentivizes people to not be victims, gay shaming incentivizes people to not be gay, etc, etc. Browbeating and shaming people who don't fit into your ideal social order is probably the most fundamental concept in the American right's ideological playbook. They want the power to remove their charitable giving as a tool to make poor people miserable when they don't do the song and dance they want
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Dr Christmas posted:We've been told growing up that we gotta do good in school or we'll end up flipping burgers at McDonalds. Because of that, the idea that McDonalds jobs exist as a form of punishment is deeply ingrained in our culture. Raising the minimum wage would allow fry cooks to escape their just and righteous punishment. The problem comes when the same jobs you're applying for basically don't pay you more than one what one would make at McDonalds, putting you in some form of bullshit limbo. I literally just experienced it this week. I worked out the math and I had to turn down a job because there was no physical possible way I could have made it on my own without begging for personal charity from friends and family. If you raised the minimum wage to basically match with inflation you'd truly create a boost in this economy by giving AN ENTIRE GENERATION the ability to buy cars, buy homes, and do a million other nice things. It's that. loving. simple. Instead you go on and claim you have to replace the people working at mcdonalds with machines because Obama. Corporations can go get hosed.
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FuzzySkinner posted:If you raised the minimum wage to basically match with inflation you'd truly create a boost in this economy by giving AN ENTIRE GENERATION the ability to buy cars, buy homes, and do a million other nice things. It's amazing how people fail to grasp this. The thing that gets me is how conservatives think that every aspect of life has to be a goddamn competition: instead of "gently caress you, got mine", it's "gently caress you, don't got mine so nobody else should have theirs either". Case in point: a girl I went to high school with who's a single mother (the dad isn't in the picture at all and I don't believe she gets any kind of support from him). She just got her doctorate in music a couple years ago and, as you can imagine, has been unable to find a job since then. Every once in a while I see her comment on something on Facebook about how outrageous it is that Seattle passed a $15/hr minimum wage (she lives in West Virginia so she probably doesn't appreciate that her cost of living is significantly lower than someone there), and her response to the fast food workers' strikes was "why should they get more money when I've been busting my rear end applying for jobs". I don't know how she supports herself and her child while she's unemployed -- my guess is that either her family helps her out, or less likely, she's a hypocrite and sucks off the government's teat -- but clearly she thinks she's too good to work one of those jobs and is just waiting for the perfect teaching position to come along (good luck). I'd love to see her attitude change if she didn't have her family around and she had to support herself and her son working fast food. Literally every time I hear someone bitch about a minimum wage increase, it's always in competitive terms: "if some no-talent burger flipper makes that much, then I should make this much". It's sickening how Republicans have suckered an entire population of people who truly need help to be against it because someone else might get it too.
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When I get in discussions about fast food I usually tell something along these lines: "When I was a teenager I used to work in a manufacturing facility that used a just-in-time production model. Like many products, there were a number of quality standards that needed to be kept within certain ranges to a very tight tolerance. The job wasn't necessarily dangerous, although I do have a large scar on my upper right arm where I was burned on a furnace. I was wearing arm length gloves but I was reaching to the back and a tiny part of my arm was exposed as it touched an edge. I'm lucky though, I've seen photos of people working in the station across from where I worked who suffered third degree burns over their entire body when a small explosion in the chemical vats they worked with splattered them with burning liquids. Not only that. As I mentioned before, we used a just-in-time production model which meant that we couldn't just work our asses off early in the shift until we hit our quota. We were periodically given sales data from our sales team which I would have to use in order to forecast production. How much do you think a job like that should pay?" If we happened to pay fast food workers $20 an hour and IT workers minimum wage, we'd be saying the exact same things about the IT workers. They're just a bunch of lazy idiots who never learned how to do anything besides unlocking passwords. You could try to explain that systems administration is really difficult and they'd be posting stuff like this: 
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I see that FOX News has picked up the Heritage Foundation's bullshit math about how raising the MW will raise fast food prices by 15% or whatever. It's being disseminated and rammed into the public consciousness as we speak. Awesome how we have a "liberal" media that will surely call it for what it is (not). beatlegs fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Sep 7, 2014 |
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Well, from a certain point of view, they are creating the truth. A store can't raise prices by 15% and get away with it if consumers think they're being greedy assholes, but if they do an ad campaign about how they'll go out of business if they don't raise prices then people will pay the difference.
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McDowell posted:Just yesterday on NJ 101.5 two of the hosts were going on and on about the millenials and how they haven't bought homes / moved out from their parent's house yet. It's not for a lack of not trying either. Everyone wanted to move out. Everyone wanted the opportunity to have a home, have a new car, and have a family. drat if it's not near impossible to do it in this age when the jobs you apply for all either scams or something you're overqualified for. But boomers jack off to this poo poo, and then try to pretend they were not even more entitled at this age. They ignore this, and then go on about "THE GREATEST GENERATION" ignoring the fact that it was their generation and their greed that led us down this path. They scream about "PARTICIPATION TROPHIES" while ignoring policies that created this ballooning student debt, and led to jobs being shipped overseas.
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Dr Christmas posted:Laziness is measured completely in how much money you make. All those lazy entitled college students graduates with two part-time jobs, an unpaid internship, and crippling student loan debt are lazier than the college graduates of the past who just paid for tuition with a summer job. A bank executive who spends bailout money on bonuses and company retreats is harder working that a single mom who works all day. He shows more hard work from the interest he accrues while snorting come from a hooker's rear end than she does all week! Plenty of people unironically believe this. I meet them all of the time. Anyone who's rich busted their rear end for it and everyone who isn't rich (or is poor) is lazy. As if no one ever toiled endlessly and broke their loving backs working lovely jobs their entire lives. Slugworth posted:I, uh... Yeah.... I mean, I don't think I posted about it, and the first trailer made it clear how monumentally wrong I was, but I totally thought 'this might be Marvel's first big flop in awhile' when I first heard about it. See also: prison rehabilitation where a big part of the program is to accept Jesus Christ. edit Dr. Arbitrary posted:"When I was a teenager I used to work in a manufacturing facility that used a just-in-time production model. i know you explained it but I'm still not sure what this means. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Sep 7, 2014 |
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Well, from a certain point of view, they are creating the truth. A store can't raise prices by 15% and get away with it if consumers think they're being greedy assholes, but if they do an ad campaign about how they'll go out of business if they don't raise prices then people will pay the difference. Wouldn't that sort of fall on its face once the minimum wage went up and other stores didn't raise prices, or am I overestimating the public? I know I'm overestimating Republicans.
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