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FMguru: Sep 10, 2003; peed on;
sexually

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

hahahaha oh got they are going to unify everything in the worst possible way aren't they. here comes the x86 luminas

you know what has really been holding us back in the consumer space? the way we arent slapping our main brand - the one that reminds everyone of the barely functional machines they use at the job that they hate - on all of our products. phones are very personal devices, so we should try and create strong associations with restrictive security policies, malware outbreaks, and chubby it guys in mlp tshirts - that should drive consumer adoption, particularly at the high end. we should make them out of creaky black plastic, to really drive the point home.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:30

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# ? May 9, 2024 04:32

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

nokia plastic is (was) good plastic :colbert:

# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:31

duTrieux.: Oct 9, 2003

the nokia brand could have been loving gold for them.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:32

Sniep: Mar 28, 2004; All I needed was that fatty blunt...

King of Breakfast

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

hahahaha oh got they are going to unify everything in the worst possible way aren't they. here comes the x86 luminas

nokia atom

# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:33

graph: Nov 22, 2006; aaag peanuts

duTrieux. posted:

the nokia brand could have been loving gold for them.

you're aware the takeover was to destroy it, right ?

# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:33

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

Happy_Misanthrope posted:

ms market growth strategy

# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:55

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

hahahaha oh got they are going to unify everything in the worst possible way aren't they. here comes the x86 luminas

having a unified platform with x86 everywhere -- desktop, laptop, tablet, mobile -- would not be a terrible idea. which is why this is impossible, microsoft is incapable of a unified strategy that would actually help developers

intel already makes x86 chips suitable for phones but they only turn up in chinese-market androids b/c google's app store doesn't really support them

# ? Sep 10, 2014 19:23

mod sassinator: Dec 13, 2006; I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

having a unified platform with x86 everywhere -- desktop, laptop, tablet, mobile -- would not be a terrible idea. which is why this is impossible, microsoft is incapable of a unified strategy that would actually help developers

intel already makes x86 chips suitable for phones but they only turn up in chinese-market androids b/c google's app store doesn't really support them

how does having a unified platform help microsoft's devices? now you need to run windows update on your phone? your desktop is locked down to only run lovely store apps? your tablet has the battery life of a lovely x86 laptop?

intel's x86 chips for phones are terrible and no one wants them. intel has to pay massive subsidies to get anyone to use them.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 19:57

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

mod sassinator posted:

how does having a unified platform help microsoft's devices? now you need to run windows update on your phone? your desktop is locked down to only run lovely store apps? your tablet has the battery life of a lovely x86 laptop?

compile once, run everywhere. only for real this time. it is outrageously stupid that "metro" apps didn't run on phones on release day. wp7 and wp8 and windows 8 w/ metro should never have been released.

mod sassinator posted:

intel's x86 chips for phones are terrible and no one wants them. intel has to pay massive subsidies to get anyone to use them.

they're perfectly fine, performance-wise. nobody wants them specifically because google's app store is meant for ARM. it's useless to make phones that can't use google play.

that won't be a problem with microsoft's total control of the app store and current 0% market share.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:00

mod sassinator: Dec 13, 2006; I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

compile once, run everywhere. only for real this time. it is outrageously stupid that "metro" apps didn't run on phones on release day. wp7 and wp8 and windows 8 w/ metro should never have been released.

how will everything running x86 make 'compile once run everywhere' work for vastly different input types (touch, mouse, etc.), huge screen resolution differences, and major hardware differences (what is a health monitor app that uses biometric sensors on phones going to do on a laptop?)

compile once run everywhere is and always will be a pipe dream. if you want to build good experiences you have to build them for the device and hardware.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:07

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

windows should never have been released

# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:08

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

mod sassinator posted:

if you want to build good experiences you have to build them for the device and hardware.

now explain windows rt

# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:09

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

mod sassinator posted:

how will everything running x86 make 'compile once run everywhere' work for vastly different input types (touch, mouse, etc.), huge screen resolution differences, and major hardware differences (what is a health monitor app that uses biometric sensors on phones going to do on a laptop?)

compile once run everywhere is and always will be a pipe dream. if you want to build good experiences you have to build them for the device and hardware.

according to shaggar a simple xaml is all you need

# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:14

BangersInMyKnickers: Nov 3, 2004; I have a thing for courageous dongles

qirex posted:

according to shaggar a simple xaml is all you need

you can get away with that for like, a fart keyboard app. but the second you have something that is computationally/memory expensive the whole idea falls on its face and you're writing a separate app for each platform

# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:44

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

flakeloaf posted:

now explain windows rt

it's poo poo

# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:47

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

resource load aside if you're trying to do any kind of interaction pattern beyond "pres butan" you need not only different layouts but typically fundamentally different UI models based on both input device and target size

# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:49

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

mod sassinator posted:

how will everything running x86 make 'compile once run everywhere' work for vastly different input types (touch, mouse, etc.), huge screen resolution differences, and major hardware differences (what is a health monitor app that uses biometric sensors on phones going to do on a laptop?)

for the purposes of metro, everything is a touchscreen interface varying in size and DPI.

how do iOS apps handle varying sizes and DPI ? oh yeah just loving fine

# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:50

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

granted, metro-on-the-desktop was pretty stupid

but having separate tablet and phone architectures, APIs, and interfaces was really stupid. windows tablet can't run windows phone apps looool

# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:51

raruler: Oct 5, 2003; “Here lies a toppled god —
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.”

Metrication posted:

# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:55

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

mod sassinator posted:

how does having a unified platform help microsoft's devices? now you need to run windows update on your phone? your desktop is locked down to only run lovely store apps? your tablet has the battery life of a lovely x86 laptop?

intel's x86 chips for phones are terrible and no one wants them. intel has to pay massive subsidies to get anyone to use them.

yep

mod sassinator posted:

how will everything running x86 make 'compile once run everywhere' work for vastly different input types (touch, mouse, etc.), huge screen resolution differences, and major hardware differences (what is a health monitor app that uses biometric sensors on phones going to do on a laptop?)

compile once run everywhere is and always will be a pipe dream. if you want to build good experiences you have to build them for the device and hardware.

yep

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

nope

# ? Sep 10, 2014 21:20

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

given that windows laptops now ship with touch screens i don't see why i shouldn't be able to compile/run tablet and phone apps

if you are on board with any part of microsoft's strategy that seems like the only sane outcome: write an app with tablet and phone interfaces, compile/run unmodified on every microsoft device.

if you abandon that goal nothing they are doing makes any sense

# ? Sep 10, 2014 21:33

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

nothing they are doing makes any sense

# ? Sep 10, 2014 21:40

BangersInMyKnickers: Nov 3, 2004; I have a thing for courageous dongles

they made 2012r2 core installs not suck complete rear end, I'm guessing they've gotten to the point that they can whittle down the NT kernel to just enough that you need to run the guts of the phone and then put a non-explorer.exe gui on the top of that for a phone or tablet. but that assumes vision and competence and I bet they just hosed it up and are shoehorning the desktop OS in to mobile

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:01

EMILY BLUNTS: Jan 1, 2005

so what the gently caress is up wth this anyway?:

2cpu, 2 lic.

2 Dual Core CPU, 8 licenses

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:02

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

EMILY BLUNTS posted:

so what the gently caress is up wth this anyway?:

2cpu, 2 lic.

2 Dual Core CPU, 8 licenses

microsoft's license and pricing people have always been the smartest ones in the company

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:03

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

EMILY BLUNTS posted:

so what the gently caress is up wth this anyway?:

2cpu, 2 lic.

2 Dual Core CPU, 8 licenses

lol

code:

[2] A "Core Factor" must be applied to certain AMD processors and to CPUs with single or dual cores:

Processor Type 	Core Factor
AMD Series 31XX, 32XX, 33XX, 41XX, 42XX, 43XX, 61XX, 62XX, 63XX, with 6 or more cores 	0.75
Single core 	4
Dual core 	2
Other 	1

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:05

BangersInMyKnickers: Nov 3, 2004; I have a thing for courageous dongles

what poo poo product is licensing by core instead of socket these days?

lol sorry about your poo poo amd processor, here's 25% off.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:06

EMILY BLUNTS: Jan 1, 2005

licensing by core makes sense in terms of charging for performance but it's pretty hostile lol

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:07

BangersInMyKnickers: Nov 3, 2004; I have a thing for courageous dongles

it was such a huge gently caress You when vmware tried it with vram allocation. if you want to do it by the actual physical resources I have then fine by why the gently caress where they trying to make a cost penalty for over-provisioning VMs when thats the entire point of their product

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:09

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

lol that price floor being set at quad cores

e: and the pity discount for buying amd whose cores only count as .75 of a processor

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:09

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

for the purposes of metro, everything is a touchscreen interface varying in size and DPI.

how do iOS apps handle varying sizes and DPI ? oh yeah just loving fine

Apple cheats at HiDPI, they don't really solve the problem properly but the way they solve it works for 90% of their use cases. Just as long as you don't plug a hi-res monitor into OSX you're fine

GNOME of all things seems to get this right, but then there aren't any legacy apps for GNOME because everybody learned a long time ago that desktop linux is a hilariously unstable platform that's completely unsuitable for anything other than consoles and web applications.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:19

Beeftweeter: Jun 28, 2005; OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

timeandtide posted:

Japan's first week console sales numbers are in. The Xbox One may be the worst selling launch week console in Japanese history*:

1998.11.27 [Sega Dreamcast] (�29.800) � 101,490 (3 days)
2000.03.04 [Sony PlayStation 2] (�39.800) � 630,552 (2 days)
2001.09.14 [Nintendo GameCube] (�25.000) � 133,719 (3 days)
2002.02.22 [Microsoft Xbox] (�34.800) � 123,929 (3 days)i
2005.12.10 [Microsoft Xbox 360] (�29.000 / �39.795) � 62,135 (2 days)
2006.11.11 [Sony PlayStation 3] (�49.980 / �59.980) � 88,443 (2 days)
2006.12.02 [Nintendo Wii] (�25.000) � 371,936 (2 days)
2012.12.08 [Nintendo Wii U] (�26.250 / �31.500) � 308,570 (2 days)
2014.02.22 [Sony PlayStation 4] (�41.979 / �46.179)- 322,083 (2 days)
2014.09.04 [Microsoft Xbox One] (�43.178 / �53.978) � 23,562 (4 days)

*I say "may" because Famitsu's data only goes back to the Dreamcast.

lol

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:28

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

MS threw hundreds of millions at japanese game companies for exclusives during the 360 era, this time they aren't even trying

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:30

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

what poo poo product is licensing by core instead of socket these days?

lol sorry about your poo poo amd processor, here's 25% off.

oracle does that iirc

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:35

Beeftweeter: Jun 28, 2005; OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

qirex posted:

MS threw hundreds of millions at japanese game companies for exclusives during the 360 era, this time they aren't even trying

MrLonghair posted:

2014.09.04 [Microsoft Xbox One] (�43.178 / �53.978) � 23,562 (4 days)

2009.11.01 [Sony PlayStation Portable Go] (�17.800) - 28.275 (1 day)

it sold worse in four days than the psp go (the one without the umd drive) did in one day lmao

even if they aren't trying thats just loving embarrassing

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:39

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

qirex posted:

according to shaggar a simple xaml is all you need

it would be one application package with different views/viewmodels for each input/display type. you create a list of known display/input combos and then the developer picks the ones they want and the package system enforces the requirement for them the write the separate uis for each combo they selected.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:40

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

then when the dev submits it and it goes thru qa the package system creates a package for each device type that only contains that device type's ui

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:42

FMguru: Sep 10, 2003; peed on;
sexually

qirex posted:

MS threw hundreds of millions at japanese game companies for exclusives during the 360 era, this time they aren't even trying

has anyone driven a popular product into a ditch quite as spectacularly and abruptly as msft did their xbox line?

# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:48

theadder: Dec 30, 2011

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

how do iOS apps handle varying sizes and DPI ? oh yeah just loving fine

they get rewritten

# ? Sep 10, 2014 23:11

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# ? May 9, 2024 04:32

bring back old gbs: Feb 28, 2007; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

FMguru posted:

has anyone driven a popular product into a ditch quite as spectacularly and abruptly as msft did their xbox line?

i remember that e3, waiting to see how hard Sony would dropthe ball this time, bringing out a $900 video game console with a new proprietary media format or something.

but nope, it went good.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 23:13

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