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BangersInMyKnickers posted:hahahaha oh got they are going to unify everything in the worst possible way aren't they. here comes the x86 luminas
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:30 |
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# ? May 9, 2024 16:10 |
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nokia plastic is (was) good plastic
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:31 |
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the nokia brand could have been loving gold for them.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:32 |
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:hahahaha oh got they are going to unify everything in the worst possible way aren't they. here comes the x86 luminas nokia atom
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:33 |
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duTrieux. posted:the nokia brand could have been loving gold for them. you're aware the takeover was to destroy it, right ?
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:33 |
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:ms market growth strategy
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:55 |
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:hahahaha oh got they are going to unify everything in the worst possible way aren't they. here comes the x86 luminas having a unified platform with x86 everywhere -- desktop, laptop, tablet, mobile -- would not be a terrible idea. which is why this is impossible, microsoft is incapable of a unified strategy that would actually help developers intel already makes x86 chips suitable for phones but they only turn up in chinese-market androids b/c google's app store doesn't really support them
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 19:23 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:having a unified platform with x86 everywhere -- desktop, laptop, tablet, mobile -- would not be a terrible idea. which is why this is impossible, microsoft is incapable of a unified strategy that would actually help developers how does having a unified platform help microsoft's devices? now you need to run windows update on your phone? your desktop is locked down to only run lovely store apps? your tablet has the battery life of a lovely x86 laptop? intel's x86 chips for phones are terrible and no one wants them. intel has to pay massive subsidies to get anyone to use them.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 19:57 |
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mod sassinator posted:how does having a unified platform help microsoft's devices? now you need to run windows update on your phone? your desktop is locked down to only run lovely store apps? your tablet has the battery life of a lovely x86 laptop? compile once, run everywhere. only for real this time. it is outrageously stupid that "metro" apps didn't run on phones on release day. wp7 and wp8 and windows 8 w/ metro should never have been released. mod sassinator posted:intel's x86 chips for phones are terrible and no one wants them. intel has to pay massive subsidies to get anyone to use them. they're perfectly fine, performance-wise. nobody wants them specifically because google's app store is meant for ARM. it's useless to make phones that can't use google play. that won't be a problem with microsoft's total control of the app store and current 0% market share.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:00 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:compile once, run everywhere. only for real this time. it is outrageously stupid that "metro" apps didn't run on phones on release day. wp7 and wp8 and windows 8 w/ metro should never have been released. how will everything running x86 make 'compile once run everywhere' work for vastly different input types (touch, mouse, etc.), huge screen resolution differences, and major hardware differences (what is a health monitor app that uses biometric sensors on phones going to do on a laptop?) compile once run everywhere is and always will be a pipe dream. if you want to build good experiences you have to build them for the device and hardware.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:07 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:windows should never have been released
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:08 |
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mod sassinator posted:if you want to build good experiences you have to build them for the device and hardware. now explain windows rt
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:09 |
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mod sassinator posted:how will everything running x86 make 'compile once run everywhere' work for vastly different input types (touch, mouse, etc.), huge screen resolution differences, and major hardware differences (what is a health monitor app that uses biometric sensors on phones going to do on a laptop?) according to shaggar a simple xaml is all you need
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:14 |
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qirex posted:according to shaggar a simple xaml is all you need you can get away with that for like, a fart keyboard app. but the second you have something that is computationally/memory expensive the whole idea falls on its face and you're writing a separate app for each platform
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:44 |
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flakeloaf posted:now explain windows rt it's poo poo
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:47 |
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resource load aside if you're trying to do any kind of interaction pattern beyond "pres butan" you need not only different layouts but typically fundamentally different UI models based on both input device and target size
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:49 |
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mod sassinator posted:how will everything running x86 make 'compile once run everywhere' work for vastly different input types (touch, mouse, etc.), huge screen resolution differences, and major hardware differences (what is a health monitor app that uses biometric sensors on phones going to do on a laptop?) for the purposes of metro, everything is a touchscreen interface varying in size and DPI. how do iOS apps handle varying sizes and DPI ? oh yeah just loving fine
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:50 |
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granted, metro-on-the-desktop was pretty stupid but having separate tablet and phone architectures, APIs, and interfaces was really stupid. windows tablet can't run windows phone apps looool
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:51 |
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:55 |
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mod sassinator posted:how does having a unified platform help microsoft's devices? now you need to run windows update on your phone? your desktop is locked down to only run lovely store apps? your tablet has the battery life of a lovely x86 laptop? yep mod sassinator posted:how will everything running x86 make 'compile once run everywhere' work for vastly different input types (touch, mouse, etc.), huge screen resolution differences, and major hardware differences (what is a health monitor app that uses biometric sensors on phones going to do on a laptop?) yep Notorious b.s.d. posted:nope
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 21:20 |
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given that windows laptops now ship with touch screens i don't see why i shouldn't be able to compile/run tablet and phone apps if you are on board with any part of microsoft's strategy that seems like the only sane outcome: write an app with tablet and phone interfaces, compile/run unmodified on every microsoft device. if you abandon that goal nothing they are doing makes any sense
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 21:33 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:nothing they are doing makes any sense
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 21:40 |
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they made 2012r2 core installs not suck complete rear end, I'm guessing they've gotten to the point that they can whittle down the NT kernel to just enough that you need to run the guts of the phone and then put a non-explorer.exe gui on the top of that for a phone or tablet. but that assumes vision and competence and I bet they just hosed it up and are shoehorning the desktop OS in to mobile
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:01 |
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so what the gently caress is up wth this anyway?: 2cpu, 2 lic. 2 Dual Core CPU, 8 licenses
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:02 |
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EMILY BLUNTS posted:so what the gently caress is up wth this anyway?: microsoft's license and pricing people have always been the smartest ones in the company
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:03 |
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EMILY BLUNTS posted:so what the gently caress is up wth this anyway?: lol code:
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:05 |
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what poo poo product is licensing by core instead of socket these days? lol sorry about your poo poo amd processor, here's 25% off.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:06 |
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licensing by core makes sense in terms of charging for performance but it's pretty hostile lol
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:07 |
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it was such a huge gently caress You when vmware tried it with vram allocation. if you want to do it by the actual physical resources I have then fine by why the gently caress where they trying to make a cost penalty for over-provisioning VMs when thats the entire point of their product
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:09 |
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lol that price floor being set at quad cores e: and the pity discount for buying amd whose cores only count as .75 of a processor
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:09 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:for the purposes of metro, everything is a touchscreen interface varying in size and DPI. Apple cheats at HiDPI, they don't really solve the problem properly but the way they solve it works for 90% of their use cases. Just as long as you don't plug a hi-res monitor into OSX you're fine GNOME of all things seems to get this right, but then there aren't any legacy apps for GNOME because everybody learned a long time ago that desktop linux is a hilariously unstable platform that's completely unsuitable for anything other than consoles and web applications.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:19 |
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timeandtide posted:Japan's first week console sales numbers are in. The Xbox One may be the worst selling launch week console in Japanese history*: lol
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:28 |
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MS threw hundreds of millions at japanese game companies for exclusives during the 360 era, this time they aren't even trying
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:30 |
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:what poo poo product is licensing by core instead of socket these days? oracle does that iirc
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:35 |
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qirex posted:MS threw hundreds of millions at japanese game companies for exclusives during the 360 era, this time they aren't even trying MrLonghair posted:2014.09.04 [Microsoft Xbox One] (¥43.178 / ¥53.978) – 23,562 (4 days) it sold worse in four days than the psp go (the one without the umd drive) did in one day lmao even if they aren't trying thats just loving embarrassing
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:39 |
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qirex posted:according to shaggar a simple xaml is all you need it would be one application package with different views/viewmodels for each input/display type. you create a list of known display/input combos and then the developer picks the ones they want and the package system enforces the requirement for them the write the separate uis for each combo they selected.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:40 |
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then when the dev submits it and it goes thru qa the package system creates a package for each device type that only contains that device type's ui
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:42 |
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qirex posted:MS threw hundreds of millions at japanese game companies for exclusives during the 360 era, this time they aren't even trying
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 22:48 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:how do iOS apps handle varying sizes and DPI ? oh yeah just loving fine they get rewritten
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 23:11 |
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FMguru posted:has anyone driven a popular product into a ditch quite as spectacularly and abruptly as msft did their xbox line? i remember that e3, waiting to see how hard Sony would dropthe ball this time, bringing out a $900 video game console with a new proprietary media format or something. but nope, it went good.
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