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Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.

Strategic Tea posted:

Seriously, though Spectre aren't and never were space yes sir no sir shoot mans soldiers. They were James Bond in space.

They're Jack Bauer in space.

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Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

Dan Didio posted:

You are in every way that matters.


Ah yes, the part where you don't take orders and can do whatever you want and aren't accountable to the chain of command.

Seriously, Dan, do you even read science fiction?

BTW: this is dumb and I've once again got the holy trinity of Lt. Danger, Fag Boy Jim, and Dan Didio jerking off into each other's mouths so my patience for our little interactions is just about done.

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.
I'm taking my ball and going home.

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.
Enjoy your death trap, ladies.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Dan Didio posted:

They're Jack Bauer in space.

They're some kind of conservative ubermensch who enjoy the liberty to ignore laws, and tell civilian leaders to go gently caress themselves, while still remaining loyal to their own military leadership.

So yeah, Jack Bauer.

Tumblr of scotch
Mar 13, 2006

Please, don't be my neighbor.
Maybe, and this is just my opinion, but maybe it is possible that Mass Effect is both military sci fi... and space opera!!!

My Q-Face
Jul 8, 2002

A dumb racist who need to kill themselves

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Star Wars is now military science fiction. You heard it here first, folks.

Isn't that why Star Trek has some serious hard core conservative fans who completely miss the underlying message of the show?


Drifter posted:

"But I really connected with the characters."

Hey, I was really pissed at Bioware after they blew up the original Normandy, scattered my team to the far ends of the galaxy, had Tali turn me down and then when Garrus does finally show up, they had him get shot in the face by a gunship! There was a whole second or two there that I was really upset that Garrus was going to be dead and so help me I was genuinely delighted when he showed up in the conference room and started joking about how ugly he was!

My Q-Face fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Sep 11, 2014

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.

Flagrant Abuse posted:

Maybe, and this is just my opinion, but maybe it is possible that Mass Effect is both military sci fi... and space opera!!!

Thank you for sharing your opinion. With me, and also with the rest of the thread.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Dan Didio posted:

Thank you for sharing your opinion. With me, and also with the rest of the thread.

That's what posting's all about. I love to post.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
You know what I think was missing the most from the ME and Dragon Age games?

Sound effects for the love sex scenes. Everything sounds like it's lubed up in Astroglide in non-atmospheric zero-g (that is to say, it's quiet). But like, when you go to gently caress Miranda in the shower (it's either a real sex scene in game or I'm just conflating random porn scenes I've watched recently), there's no small lust growls or beds creaking or wet skin gently slapping into tile and it's like, c'mon, there's no weight to this.

Bioware, just add on some foley effects to those cutscenes and get some non-eleven-year-old sounding Japanese porn VAs and you'd really have a good thing.

No empty-soul'd sound effects after the fade to black, though. We're not animals.

Zyntherius
Jul 25, 2014

Is there any word on Mass Effect 4 where its either, Before mass effect 1.. During.. or after.. Because i am quite hoping to play out as a normal soldier or something during the Skyllian blitz or the thresher maw attack on Akuze. Or even Help fight off the Batarians on Torfan

Varjon
Oct 9, 2012

Comrades, I am discover LSD!

Zyntherius posted:

Is there any word on Mass Effect 4 where its either, Before mass effect 1.. During.. or after.. Because i am quite hoping to play out as a normal soldier or something during the Skyllian blitz or the thresher maw attack on Akuze. Or even Help fight off the Batarians on Torfan

None of these put everyone in the entire galaxy at risk, and Bioware could never give up their one and only plot device

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Varjon posted:

None of these put everyone in the entire galaxy at risk, and Bioware could never give up their one and only plot device

True, but there's also only about 30-40 years of time between first contact and Mass Effect 1. There's barely any room for a prequel. Sequels should be where the franchise goes, if only to de-gently caress ME3's ending somehow. I want to see some kind of sequel that acknowledges the crazy Synthesis outcome.

Beef Hardcheese
Jan 21, 2003

HOW ABOUT I LASH YOUR SHIT


Psion posted:

Arglebargle did a pretty good post in Danger's thread on space and size of environment about the ME1 citadel which can be briefly summarized as "even if you hated walking around the Citadel in ME1 it gave a huge sense of space which paid off in spades like 10000x at the end of the game"

it's true. Walking around that place, terrible. The payoff in the last hour? awesome.

As a contrast, I liked the suicide mission for a lot of reasons, but "impressing me with the sheer size of the Collector base" wasn't one of them. On the other hand, "slow-jogging around for 20 minutes trying to find that loving NPC in the access hallway" wasn't a problem I had with the collector base.

I don't suppose you have a link to that post or thread? It's been about a year since I played ME 1, and it's kind of telling that that was the only thing I bothered to screenshot. Out of the entire ~25 hours I played, the part where you're running up the side of the council tower in your magboots, blowing poo poo up as debris rains down all around you. And right before that where you're running through the wrecked parts of the interior, seeing where all the annoying NPCs used to be standing, and where are they now I hope they got out okay :ohdear:

Horace Kinch
Aug 15, 2007

Strategic Tea posted:

Seriously, though Spectre aren't and never were space yes sir no sir shoot mans soldiers. They were James Bond in space.

I always likened the Specters to a less radical inquisition. They have total authority to get poo poo done for the council and nobody will dare question it. The Thorian enslaved about 30 people and used them as human shields? Bring 30 bodybags after I ice that fucker. Could I have handled the situation more gracefully? Shut up I'm a specter, job's finished.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

sitchelin posted:

I always likened the Specters to a less radical inquisition. They have total authority to get poo poo done for the council and nobody will dare question it. The Thorian enslaved about 30 people and used them as human shields? Bring 30 bodybags after I ice that fucker. Could I have handled the situation more gracefully? Shut up I'm a specter, job's finished.

Do you take pleasure in genocide? :turianass:

Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)

monster on a stick posted:

Do you take pleasure in genocide? :turianass:

Depends on the species... Turian. :smug:

Axe-man
Apr 16, 2005

The product of hundreds of hours of scientific investigation and research.

The perfect meatball.
Clapping Larry
We all know the real story is that ME 1, ME 2 and ME3 are really the story of Shepard coming to terms with the fact that Tali is in fact a bag of spiders in a exosuit. This realization coupled with the odd attraction he has for her, is played out clearly in the symbolism of the Reaper, a large cuddle fish with spider like arms, that Shepard fights against for most of the game. This arachnid stand in is our focus for all three games till the third till we realize that we must move beyond that and go into the light. Into the acceptance that Shepard really loves a bag of spiders named tali.

This theory is detailed below:

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro
Shep spends the entire series working on behalf of the Alliance military, maintains a military rank, and has an Alliance-owned ship crewed almost exclusively by either Alliance military personnel (ME1 and 3) or former Alliance officers (most of ME2), but in no way has a relation to the military.

Do you even scifi, bro?
:goonsay:

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
Actually, if you think about it, the games are pretty spot on reimagining of Kipling's The Jungle Book, right down to the Reapers representing King Louie and his monkeys. Montgomery Jack was, of course, Wrex, and that hot mouse chick Gidget or whatever was totally Mordin, but genderbent. Zipper was Joker.

It was a nice Christian long-form parable with some Hindu trappings, all things considered. What was really interesting was the Shivitic design of the Citadel at the end when you were running up it to face the "reaper". I mean, the allegorical symbolism was pretty amazing. What direction were you running up that thing? It was relative East, according to the sun rays. You were running east. Towards the Sun. The Son. Reaper. Son of God. Star Kid.

Drifter fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Sep 12, 2014

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Beef Hardcheese posted:

I don't suppose you have a link to that post or thread? It's been about a year since I played ME 1, and it's kind of telling that that was the only thing I bothered to screenshot. Out of the entire ~25 hours I played, the part where you're running up the side of the council tower in your magboots, blowing poo poo up as debris rains down all around you. And right before that where you're running through the wrecked parts of the interior, seeing where all the annoying NPCs used to be standing, and where are they now I hope they got out okay :ohdear:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3652018&perpage=40&pagenumber=17#post433261706

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Dan Didio posted:

They're Jack Bauer in space.

Jack Bauer didn't get to gently caress as much as Shepard though.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
Shepard is Jesus. Or Hitler.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

Waltzing Along posted:

Shepard is Jesus. Or Hitler.

Jew Hitler.

A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich

Beef Hardcheese posted:

I don't suppose you have a link to that post or thread? It's been about a year since I played ME 1, and it's kind of telling that that was the only thing I bothered to screenshot. Out of the entire ~25 hours I played, the part where you're running up the side of the council tower in your magboots, blowing poo poo up as debris rains down all around you. And right before that where you're running through the wrecked parts of the interior, seeing where all the annoying NPCs used to be standing, and where are they now I hope they got out okay :ohdear:

For some reason, finding out in ME2 that the asari consort's secretary and embassy receptionist, respectively both died in the citadel attack were a 'well that loving sucks' moment.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




Axe-man posted:

We all know the real story is that ME 1, ME 2 and ME3 are really the story of Shepard coming to terms with the fact that Tali is in fact a bag of spiders in a exosuit. This realization coupled with the odd attraction he has for her, is played out clearly in the symbolism of the Reaper, a large cuddle fish with spider like arms, that Shepard fights against for most of the game. This arachnid stand in is our focus for all three games till the third till we realize that we must move beyond that and go into the light. Into the acceptance that Shepard really loves a bag of spiders named tali.

This theory is detailed below:



if this were true then why does Tali freak the gently caress out about the "spiders" if you take her on the Rachni mission? Hell we don't even need to take her on that mission, she makes it plain she hates spiders when talking to Garrus about their worst mission experience :colbert:

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
It's just Tali fitting into the self hating jew stereotype

Aristobulus
Mar 20, 2007

Slap omni-gel on
everything.



These avatars paid for Lowtax new boat.

Drifter posted:

You know what I think was missing the most from the ME and Dragon Age games?

Sound effects for the love sex scenes. Everything sounds like it's lubed up in Astroglide in non-atmospheric zero-g (that is to say, it's quiet). But like, when you go to gently caress Miranda in the shower (it's either a real sex scene in game or I'm just conflating random porn scenes I've watched recently), there's no small lust growls or beds creaking or wet skin gently slapping into tile and it's like, c'mon, there's no weight to this.

Bioware, just add on some foley effects to those cutscenes and get some non-eleven-year-old sounding Japanese porn VAs and you'd really have a good thing.

No empty-soul'd sound effects after the fade to black, though. We're not animals.

Bioware do this thing mass effect 4 best game 2015

Axe-man
Apr 16, 2005

The product of hundreds of hours of scientific investigation and research.

The perfect meatball.
Clapping Larry

Aces High posted:

if this were true then why does Tali freak the gently caress out about the "spiders" if you take her on the Rachni mission? Hell we don't even need to take her on that mission, she makes it plain she hates spiders when talking to Garrus about their worst mission experience :colbert:

Tali must learn to love herself before Shepard can love her, you hate yourself most of all, the spiders were just an Othering for Tali. Before she learned to love herselves and settle down and lay some eggs in shepard's hair.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

2house2fly posted:

Jack Bauer didn't get to gently caress as much as Shepard though.

My Shepard had one hook-up with the shuttle pilot in the last game of the series. I don't know what you are talking about.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

Shep spends the entire series working on behalf of the Alliance military, maintains a military rank, and has an Alliance-owned ship crewed almost exclusively by either Alliance military personnel (ME1 and 3) or former Alliance officers (most of ME2), but in no way has a relation to the military.

Do you even scifi, bro?
:goonsay:

But you barely answer to military command, and fight alongside Alliance forces perhaps once, in a sidequest. Your missions for Hackett are pretty clearly presented as favours, and a lot of them include negotiation and specops type stuff - not USMC in space. Hell, half the paragon/renegade themes in 1 are over whether you stay loyal to the military or accept your new duties to all races. And in 2, you explicitly work for a rogue black ops organisation - your old crew who come along for the ride make a point of saying that they don't work for the Alliance - they work for you.

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
I am about to play ME3 again and don't have Omega or Citadel DLCs. Are they worth buying?

Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012

Byolante posted:

I am about to play ME3 again and don't have Omega or Citadel DLCs. Are they worth buying?
Citadel is pure fan service. Not necessarily in a bad way though. It's all about having fun with the characters, lots of inside jokes, etc. If you're a fan of the ME series, I'd say it worth buying, but play it after finishing ME3 itself. It works well as a sendoff to the trilogy.
Omega is rather mediocre. If you're okay with Aria's character and really want more singleplayer content, it might be worth picking up. Otherwise, I wouldn't waste the money.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

Byolante posted:

I am about to play ME3 again and don't have Omega or Citadel DLCs. Are they worth buying?

If you read the Aria whatever it is called 4 part comic, then Omega is worth it because if caps that storyline.


Citadel is the greatest thing ever. It is the end of the trilogy. It really is "The Best."

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
They're both irritating & bad unless you posted "Don't gently caress with Aria" as your facebook status and giggle every time someone says "Toothbrushes". Or consider Garrus either a personal hero or one of your closest friends.

Axe-man
Apr 16, 2005

The product of hundreds of hours of scientific investigation and research.

The perfect meatball.
Clapping Larry
Basically: if you like sp shooty mans get omega; if you liked the other games and like fun get citadel.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Edit: quite getting mad about video games, lenoon

lenoon fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Sep 12, 2014

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
Good rant. Please rant more.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

lenoon posted:

It is a game, and one set up to let the player get what they want out of it. Even playing the series you can choose to play bits you like and will naturally end up making mass effect the kind of scifi you like. Play Me1 without exploring, it's pretty military, pretty espionage-y, play two without chatting to your crew members and it doesn't feel like the dirty dozen or firefly anymore. Hell, even choosing paragon/renegade and shep's goddamn clothing can affect the interpretwtion you draw from the game because not a single goddamn cultural artifact is static in meaning you bloody sperg.

Did you just talk to a marketer instead of playing the games?

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lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

sassassin posted:

Did you just talk to a marketer instead of playing the games?

Yeah, it was easier. I don't play games anymore, I just internalise advertising.

That was a bit rant-y, apologies. It was a long-form version of saying "you're all right, who cares" but apparently I care deeply enough to write lots of words, which is a bit embarrassing really when you think about it.

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